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Fabiano Caruana vs Francisco Vallejo Pons
Grand Slam Chess Final (2012), Sao Paulo BRA, rd 4, Sep-28
French Defense: Advance. Lputian Variation (C02)  ·  1-0

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Sep-28-12  fischer2009: <Hesam7> After 19.Rcd1 my engine shows Qb4 0.00 the line goes 19.Rcd1 Qb4 20.g4 Qe7 21.Rf6 Qa3! .It does seem equal.So 17 Rb1 is subtle and winning indeed better than Qg4.
Sep-28-12
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  tamar: <Shams> You just described Sam Sloan's website.
Sep-28-12
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  Eyal: Speaking of tactical blunders - in Carlsen-Aronian:


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Carlsen played in this position <27.Bf4??> missing 27...R8xf4! which wins immediately for Black (28.gxf4 Nxf4 [with a mate threat on g2] 29.Rg1 Qxh2+! 30.Kxh2 Rh3#); and Aronian, the tactical wizard, missed it as well and played <27...Bc3??>, allowing Carlsen to keep it more or less equal with 28.Qxf3.

Sep-28-12  Hesam7: <<fischer2009:> <Hesam7> After 19.Rcd1 my engine shows Qb4 0.00 the line goes 19.Rcd1 Qb4 20.g4 Qe7 21.Rf6 Qa3! .It does seem equal.So 17 Rb1 is subtle and winning indeed better than Qg4.>

<19 Rcd1 Qb4 20 g4 Qe7 21 Rf6 Qa3 22 Rd2>


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<22...Qc1 23 Bf1 Qd2 24 gh5 Rc3 25 Qh4>


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White is winning, for example: 25...Qe3 26 Kh1 and Black has no defence or 25...Rc2 26 hg6 Qh2 27 Qh2 Rh2 28 Kh2 fg6 29 Rg6 Kh8 30 Bh3.

Sep-28-12  fischer2009: I thought it was a joke.They really did have howlers.Seems like both Carlsen and Aronian will have a sleepless night today.And Carlsen's play in this tournament has been like finding study like ways to lose. Rb2 against Caruana which caruana capitalized on ,Rd5 against Karjakin and Bf4 now against Aronian which both players will be having their hands on heads once they find out about it.
Sep-28-12  AuN1: oh...aronian. -_-
Sep-28-12  fischer2009: <Hesam7> You are absoultely right I guess.My mistake.
Sep-28-12
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  Eyal: <And Carlsen's play in this tournament has been like finding study like ways to lose. Rb2 against Caruana which caruana capitalized on>

Well, that was actually a study-like way that Caruana found to lose (with his Rxe4) and Carlsen failed to capitalize on...

Sep-28-12
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  tamar: Carlsen's play has been 98% stellar, but the other 2% has been dumbfounding. You can't keep your talent in a glass case.
Sep-28-12  AuN1: <Eyal: Speaking of tactical blunders - in Carlsen-Aronian:

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Carlsen played in this position <27.Bf4??> missing 27...R8xf4! which wins immediately for Black (28.gxf4 Nxf4 [with a mate threat on g2] 29.Rg1 Qxh2+! 30.Kxh2 Rh3#); and Aronian, the tactical wizard, missed it as well and played <27...Bc3??>, allowing Carlsen to keep it more or less equal with 28.Qxf3.>

even i saw that. 0_0

Sep-28-12
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  Eyal: Position after 20.Qf3:


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20.Qd8 (instead of Qc7) fails to defend f7, but it does have the "advantage" of defending the rook on f8, so as to prevent Bxg6. Perhaps Vallejo somehow missed that after 20...Qc7 21.Bxg6 he isn't losing (at least not immediately) due to 21...Bxe3+! 22.Qxe3 (otherwise Black takes the knight on g5) fxg6.

Sep-28-12  Ulhumbrus: After 20...Qc7 suppose that White delays Bxg6 by a move by 20 Kh1 so that the capture ...Bxe3 in reply to Bxg6 will not be check. Can Black profit from the delay?
Sep-28-12
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  beenthere240: Maybe just 21,,,Qe7 attacking the knight. I suppose the Qd8 was to attack the knight and completely overlooked the fact that f7 was attacked 3 times and defended twice.
Sep-28-12
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  Eyal: <Maybe just [20...Qc7 21.Kh1] 21...Qe7 attacking the knight> Yeah - also supporting the rook on f8 and so defending against Bxg6. It's still a complex position after 22.h4 or Nh3 (not 22.Qg3? Qa3!), but White's most immediate threats have been parried.
Sep-28-12  hugogomes: Interesting how vallejo's two photos (here and in profile of chessgames) are both open mouth and he looks weird.
Sep-28-12  messachess: Yeh, but the senoritas love it.
Sep-28-12
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  whiteshark: So what's the point of no return in this game?
Sep-28-12  Lupara: Greetings <whiteshark>. In response to your question regarding the <point of no return> in the game, I think Black's move 20... Qd8 is the big mistake in the game, thereby allowing 21.Nxf7.

Black's position is untenable after 21.Nxf7.

Sep-28-12  csmath: Horrendeous error by Paco allowing take of f7. I don't think even a patzer would do that. With all the weak black squares around king to give away the kingpin of the whole position? Awful error. However black position is very difficult even with the best move Qc7.
Sep-28-12  rapidcitychess: <csmath: *snip* I don't think even a patzer would do that.>

Well, a GM did it. :P

Sep-28-12  csmath: Strong opening play by Caruana. Impressive how he leaves opponent behind and then mops him up when the error is made.
Sep-28-12  parisattack: <Eyal: Position after 20.Qf3:>

French player's worst nightmare - Kingside completely sealed off, defenseless.

Sep-29-12  csmath: Caruana simply played the best continuation of advance variation. This is the setup with a3, b4 and Nf3. It posses serious positional question to black "how much can I weaken pawns around king." Valejo did quite a bit and then made a horrible error.

But even with the best play the position after 20 moves is very difficult for black in my view. As a matter of fact I think it is positionally almost lost. His queenside pawns are only optical counterplay in my view. I am yet to see how can that be used. I think this is clearly the setup open for challenge. Valejo did not come close to challenge it. The theoretical question is now open.

The opening knowledge of Caruana is impressive. I think this "kid" plays better than Kramnik at that age. On the other hand Valejo is obviously not prepared for the opening he played.

Sep-29-12  SChesshevsky: <csmath: Caruana simply played the best continuation of advance variation. This is the setup with a3, b4 and Nf3... But even with the best play the position after 20 moves is very difficult for black in my view. As a matter of fact I think it is positionally almost lost.>

I also think so. I used to play the French Def a lot and the advance was always a lot of trouble.

An interesting try might be after 6. a3 something like ...c4 then ...Na5 and work on b3 right away. This also benefits from the utilization of the Q on b6 which though I guess theoretically correct I thought often seems poorly placed in practice.

With ...c4, then one maybe wants to ...0-0-0 and play ...h6 and hopefully exchange a lot of pieces and draw which could be doable given White has to take time to rearrange some pieces to try to break through on the Qside.

I think the inherent weaknesses of the French, especially against the advance makes winning against any good player very difficult so maybe the best drawing lines are a good consideration.

Oct-02-12  Rama: I love this opening, both sides of it.

How about the simple 6. a3 cxd4, 7. cxd4 Nge7. The N is headed for f5 and may be protected by h5. Nc3-a4 is indicated for white. This is a classic duel for the d4 square.

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