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Hikaru Nakamura vs Anish Giri
Tromso Olympiad (2014), Tromso NOR, rd 3, Aug-04
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen. Bastrikov Variation (B48)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Aug-04-14
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  SteinitzLives: Ruth-loser, No way is Donaldson instructing him to take a quick draw, (what a fish idea!) especially with white. Furthermore, Nakamura has hardly built up any fatigue to justify it, though he may have some now due to exhaustion from reading all of the excuses made for him.
Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <Nakamura has hardly built up any fatigue to justify it>

How do you know this?

Did Gata build up any fatigue after his 15 move win in a previous round that would explain his loss to someone rated 70 points or so below him?

You also asserted in another thread that he was late. He was late for the opening ceremony but do you have any proof that he was late for a match that he was expected to play in?

You keep making statements that you can't back up. Either back them up or join the ranks of the ignored.

Aug-04-14  SirRuthless: <SteinitzLives><Eve & Perf, clearly ganging up as all cowards do, but no surprise since you are both cut from the same bolt of froth. <<Name calling is beneath the dignity of the Olympiad.>> <<I have sympathy for your bully-fear caused no doubt by a surly lower class rearing.>> Threaten me all you like with your <<invective>>, I will still be the last person to die in my life time. <<No written ugliness can change that.>>>

<<Oh really?>>

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <Watch or listen to any five interviews with Nakamura and the underlying message he gives is: I don't care.>

Okay, I'll bite.

Please post a link to 3 recent interviews in which he had that underlying message. Or is this another assertion that you can't back up?

Do you think he didn't care about playing chess and went all the way in Norway just for the thrill of living another week away from home in a hotel?

Aug-04-14  SirRuthless: <KKDEREK> Of course a Carlsen fan and Nakamura "non-fan" like you would agree. No surprises there.
Aug-04-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Naka tweet:

<Hikaru Nakamura @GMHikaru · 9h As Boxer would say, "I will work harder!"
I hope at least a few people get the reference.>

Aug-04-14  Pulo y Gata: Naka was fine with the draw so people here can argue about the game for an indifinite period of time and squabbling.
Aug-04-14  Pulo y Gata: KK, just another day of kibitzing for us all, I guess.
Aug-04-14  Lupara: Hmmmm... interesting game.

Compare this game to Nakamura's continued play after move 52 in Caruana vs Nakamura, 2012

Supposedly Nakamura was showing his "fighting qualities" by continuing that game to move 107. This despite Caruana's multiple draw offers after move 80.

Classy stuff from Nakamura.

Aug-04-14  SirRuthless: <KKDEREK> Carlsen, the world champ drew a nobody who is some 400 points beneath him. Inexcusable? No. It happens.If Nakamura had a similar result you would be endlessly ragging on him for it. You are the definition of a glory hunter and fanboy. You probably support Man United, Real Madrid, or Barcelona as well.
Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <Today, Nakamura had the whole game ahead of him. <That> is the difference, and <that> is why I am disappointed.>

No, he did not have the whole game ahead of him, 13 moves were played at that point.

In the position at move 13, what plan should he have tried? Be specific.

Are you saying that you know more than the 6th rated person in the world about the position and how there was a path to win against the 15th rated person?

Or are you saying that you disagree with the 15th rated player in the world when he commented that Naka's played as if he had not played against the Sicilian before?

Aug-04-14  SirRuthless: They are doing what they lways do. Attacking a top 10 player as if they have a clue. I was on that train when i first saw the game score but then I thought about it a bit and decided that there could be several mitigating factors. That is the reasonable approach. The silly fanboyish approach is to denigrate Nakamura because it is easy pickings. KKDEREK contributes ZERO analysis to this website. He is just a fanboy who couldn't tell a fianchetto from a fiance. I am not a strong player but at least I try to contribute something other than "Naka=fartz teehee" or whatever nonsense and then hide behind "I am just pulling your leg blah blah don't be so uptight blah" trash KKDEREK posts on a regular basis.
Aug-04-14
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  SteinitzLives: BTB, Your constant attempts to employ me as your chief researcher, though flattering on some level, will not fly. Do your own research. The five interviews I witnessed are spread out over the last three years and no I will not hunt down the urls and present them to you with a pinky extended fluorish.

Besides, admit it, you like Naka too much to view or hear the interviews objectively. Show me at least 10 of your posts about Naka where you don't support him. Not interested in doing that? Guess you don't want to be my researcher either.

You won't take my word for it that the main message Naka has for the world is: I don't care. Well that's fine with me. I have no concern what you believe about the existance or validity of Naka interviews I have seen over the past few years, because Naka's message has been very clear.

Believe what you want to believe, I know what I have seen and am here to give my opinion, not here to covert you.

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <Your constant attempts to employ me as your chief researcher>

I am not asking you to be my researcher. I am asking you to back up your outlandish claims.

Since you can't back them up, they are just lies at this point.

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <I know what I have seen and am here to give my opinion, not here to covert you.>

I understand that you have an opinion on what you claim you have heard. But an opinion based on lies is of no value, neither is the person who spouts that opinion.

If you can produce the 5 interviews that say that Naka doesn't care, then your opinion has at least a basis to be considered. Of course, even then, if there are 10 other interviews that show he does care, then that has to be considered.

And no, I don't expect you to "covert" me.

Aug-04-14
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  SteinitzLives: My informed opinion is back-up enough for me, just as yours is to you. Nobody owes either of us any more than that. Sorry if you think they do, welcome to the real world.

What do you think Naka's message to the world is?
And if you don' t think he has one . . . . It's probably because he doesn't care.

If you don't think you know, that's ok too. Having an opinion on this site takes balls, tearing one down takes none.

Aug-04-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Good Grief, it's on every page you look at.

The Olympiad is in my opinion the greatest chess event on the calendar. All these chess players coming together from all over the world. My one regret in chess is I never got the chance to play in one.

You lot are squabbling and bickering on every page over every game.

Relax and enjoy...Go and pick a game from two players you have never heard off and play through it. (BTW. Thank chessgames for the quick posts, some of us actually do play through the games, as opposed to those who sit and wait for a post on a game and then tries to rip the posters throat out.).

PLease...If you unearth a wee gem then share it.

Now this bit...

" Carlsen, the world champ drew [with] a nobody who is some 400 points beneath him."

The chess player who drew with Carlsen is called Tomi Nyback. A Finnish lad and going by his bio is not at all a bad player.

Tomi Nyback

The 16 move draw?

Both players are fans of the Norwegian version of 'Bargain Hunt' don't blame them, blame Norwegian TV for it's viewing schedules. The should not be showing 'Bargain Hunt' when the chess games are being played.

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <What do you think Naka's message to the world is?>

Why do you think he has a message to the world?
Is everyone supposed to have a message?
I think only people who are feel overly self-important and serial killers feel that they have to have a message to the world.

But here is a message from an interview:
“To study all aspects of the game, to keep playing despite the results, to try and improve and never to get discouraged . to keep on trying”.

It is hard to say he doesn't care if he hangs out in the lobby of the hotel and plays game after game of blitz against anyone at all...after winning the US Championship..

<Having an opinion on this site takes balls, tearing one down takes none.>

Having an opinion based on made up information doesn't take balls, it takes stupidity.

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <The Olympiad is in my opinion the greatest chess event on the calendar.>

Absolutely! What I love about this is the excitement of the upset, or the near upset as a much lower rated player is playing the game of his life and just maybe, maybe having that big upset and something he/she will remember forever.

<Both players are fans of the Norwegian version of 'Bargain Hunt' don't blame them, blame Norwegian TV for it's viewing schedules.>

Oh, but for the availability of a DVR we could have had a 32 move draw and some people would stop whining!

I would have thought the Finnish people would have been way ahead on that technology...or is it that the risk is that you may hear some spoilers on the way back to the hotel room?

FYI since 2012, they have had 11 draws and only 3 decisive games.

Aug-04-14  bobthebob: <Carlsen in his game tried, didn't played good, sure>

So are you saying that Naka played "good" in the first 12 moves and then just went for the draw for no reason? What do you think about Giri's comment about how Naka played the opening?

How can you say Carlsen tried if you also said he didn't play "good"? Does a WC playing not "good" against someone rated much below him qualifies as "trying"?

Aug-04-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Hi Bob,

I don't care either way about the big guns and their past stats or grades.

It's the the fact some of these players, esepecially the young players, have been taken out of a country that is possibly dangerous and just for a few weeks and are safe and actually playing in the same competition as their heroes.

What a wonderful thrill it must be.

Chess is doing that. It makes me proud to know the game.

(...and pure dead jealous that I'm not there.)

If per chance you have Nak's ear, tell him I have the entire set of 'Bargain Hunt'. (Series 1 through to 5). I will lend him them.

So now he can stop horsing around and get out there and sac things.

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There is today's question.

What famous chess player sent another famous chess player a telegram during a match saying:

"Don't horse around...."

Aug-04-14  Pulo y Gata: Good posts, Sally.
Aug-05-14  MarkFinan: <SS:The Olympiad is in my opinion the greatest chess event on the calendar. All these chess players coming together from all over the world.> I agree it's a great tournament but better than WCC??

<My one regret in chess is I never got the chance to play in one.> My one regret in football is not lacing up my boots and doing a Maradona by dragging England to World Cup glory as my wife, Beyonce looked on in lustful admiration!

You were *that* good? And it is a bit shocking that Carlsen didn't beat someone so far below him in terms of ability. If he's going to treat the chess Olympiads as a Mickey Mouse tournament he shouldn't have taken part at all.. And I like Carlsen!?

Aug-05-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: The answer to yesterdays Question of the Day.

After game 11 (The Poison Pawn Game) in the '72 match Rueben Fine sent a telegram to Fischer.

"Don't Horse around. Play for a draw and the match is yours."

Aug-05-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  SteinitzLives: Anyone with the kind of fame gifted to Nakamura has a moral obligation, that's right all you rights addicts, moral obligation to help those less fortunate in the world. He has this bestowed upon him and as a famous person should have a message for the world, and unfortunately his message is: I don't care, and maybe, drink Red Bull

Even class C and D celebs are PETA and Rain Forest activists, which means much more than the wearing of obnoxious Red Bull's hideous looking shirt.

Why not build on this Naka, use your clout to get Red Bull to sponsor tourneys in the U.S. so that some less fortunate hard-working chess players might be able to make more than just 3-5K or less for placing in the top three in a National U.S. tourney. Do you see Naka using his fame and influence to do something like this to help others? No! Why? Because he does not care.

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