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| Aug-09-14 | | fgh: Carlsen's failure to play 29. Rc7 is hard to understand. I guess it just proves that he is human, and thus fallible. Congratulations to Naiditsch on a superbly handled endgame. |
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Aug-09-14
 | | chancho: It's possible that Carlsen had a letdown after beating Caruana. Not to detract from Naiditsch's big win... that guy has beaten players like Kramnik before. |
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| Aug-09-14 | | whiteshark: wow!
<fgh: Carlsen's failure to play 29. Rc7 is hard to understand.> You comment, too (which is the move you've meant?) |
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| Aug-09-14 | | Ulhumbrus: Perhaps in time pressure Carlsen overlooked that 41...Nd4 threatened 42...d2, giving him to time to save the b5 pawn |
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| Aug-09-14 | | fgh: <whiteshark: wow!
<fgh: Carlsen's failure to play 29. Rc7 is hard to understand.> You comment, too (which is the move you've meant?)> What are you talking about? |
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| Aug-09-14 | | Sargon1: 49.Kf4 was a mistake.
49.f3!!
A: 49...Nd6+ 50.Kf4 gxf3 51.Kxf3 Kg5 52.Ba1= Nf7 53.Ke4 Kg4 54.Bc3 Kxg3 55.Kd3 e5 56.Kc2 e4 57.Kb3=B: 49...gxf3 50.Kxf3 Kf5 (50...a2 51.g4=) 51.Ke2! Nd6 (51...e5 52.g4+! Ke6 53.g5! Kf5 54.g6 Kxg6 55.Kd3=) 52.Kd1 Nb5 53.Ba1 e5 54.g4+ Ke6 55.Kc2= C: 49...Kg5 50.fxg4 Kxg4 51.Kd3 Nd6 52.Kc2= |
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Aug-09-14
 | | Domdaniel: Brilliant endgame play by GMAN: Carlsen hoist by his own petard. |
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| Aug-09-14 | | paavoh: First win over Carlsen by Naiditsch. He was tied up but palyed the ending very well. |
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| Aug-09-14 | | Kinghunt: <Sargon1> Agreed. 49. f3 would have saved the game. As played, it was just one move too late. Many of Carlsen's losses seem to have this same theme. Carlsen finds the right idea, but mixes move order or otherwise plays it one move too late. His loss against Wang Yue and an early one against Caruana (from Biel, I believe) immediately come to mind. I will look more into this pattern. |
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| Aug-09-14 | | dehanne: Carlsen gets a taste of his own medicine. |
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| Aug-10-14 | | iking: .... Carlsen was mandandled in the endgame? .... a medicine hard to swallow ... maybe Arkadij Naiditsch learned it through Wang Hao's game vs. Carlsen .... This is the price of swimming in the high seas ... |
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| Aug-10-14 | | Atking: <fgh: Carlsen's failure to play 29. Rc7 is hard to understand.> You comment, too (which is the move you've meant?)
<whiteshark> I think that <fgh> has in mind the simple 29.Rc7 Nb5 30.Rb7 Nxa3 (30...a6 31.a4 Nd4 32.b5 axb 33.a5) 31.Rxa7 Nb5 (31...Nc4 32.b5! eg. 32...NxB 33.b6 Nf3 34.b7... White should win.) 32.Rb7 White is better (Nf6+ is one trick of the position). Naiditsch'fighting spirit must have our praise. |
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Aug-10-14
| | Domdaniel: <Carlsen was mandandled in the endgame?>
I know it's probably a typo, but 'mandandled' is a beautiful word. |
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| Aug-10-14 | | zanzibar: ! (bang!) |
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| Aug-10-14 | | bobthebob: <Many of Carlsen's losses seem to have this same theme.> Interesting idea. Just read an interview in which he talked about playing by intuition so maybe there is something to that idea. The idea is right, but just needed a bit more calculation. <I asked him, based on my rating, how many beers he would have to drink for us to be an even match.“No, it’s not like that. My play is based on intuition, no matter what state I’m in.”> |
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| Aug-10-14 | | bobthebob: <Carlsen was mandandled in the endgame> Being mandandled can affect your play. Some soccer players abstain from sex during the world cup. |
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Aug-10-14
 | | MissScarlett: <Night off with the Naiditsch> |
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| Aug-10-14 | | Cybe: „Can YOU beat a SuperGM?” Not this time, Mr. Carlsen. |
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Aug-10-14
| | Domdaniel: <Many of Carlsen's losses seem to have this same theme.>
There actually aren't that many of them, certainly not in recent years. Perhaps not enough to make any thematic or statistical observations. But - because his results and rating are so far ahead of the pack - we tend to *notice* his occasional losses, and maybe to project patterns onto them. I doubt whether any significant data can be gleaned from his rare losses. |
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| Aug-10-14 | | john barleycorn: Carlsen up to now and according to this database played 1,665 games and lost 174. That is >10%. Karpov played 3559 games and lost 235.
Fischer played 992 games and lost 86.
Capablanca played 818 games and lost 47.
All three less than 10% losses. And for each of the latter 3 some smart guy felt he must analyze, catagorize and most important commercialize the losses. When there is a will, then there is a way. |
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| Aug-10-14 | | cro777: "Magnus Carlsen does have a few weaknesses. Even endgames can be won against him", recently noted Loek van Wely in the latest issue (2014#5) of New in Chess magazine. "Magnus is very strong in endgames. However the stats for the lucky few who <manage to reach a better endgame against him> are encouraging. There were three of them in 2013: Ivanchuk, Vang Hao and Caruana." Naiditsch managed to reach a better endgame. After the game he commented: "He started to panic. It was a little bit strange to see Carlsen so nervous." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BunKqyJ... |
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| Aug-10-14 | | john barleycorn: <cro777> you probably know the old joke.
2 boxers in a fight and one gets terribly beaten up. In the break the trainer tells to this guy: "You know, I have discovered his weak point."
"What is it?"
"Whenever he laid you he lets his defense down". |
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| Aug-10-14 | | cro777: <john barleycorn> It seems that you have to be terribly beaten up to understand Arnold Schwarzenegger who said: "Strength does not come from winning". |
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| Aug-10-14 | | john barleycorn: <cro777> to understand Arnold Schwarzenegger you have to comp your hair with a hammer. |
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| Aug-10-14 | | visayanbraindoctor: I think World Champion Carlsen overlooked the maneuver 30.. Nf3 31. Bc3 g5 32. h3 h5 33. Kg2 g4. Naidich went for the f3 square.
Suddenly, Carlsen's King is trapped away from the action, and it's now Naidich who has grabbed a juicy square, the f3 hole (usually it's Carlsen who does the square grabbing hole occupations). Carlsen's pawn advantage has been completely negated by Black's positional pluses. Still drawable, but like most players, even Carlsen is not immune to making losing errors, and he does so under pressure in the ensuing endgame. |
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