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| Jul-14-16 | | AlicesKnight: 23....Ng4 would threaten mate in 2 were it not for the White mate uncovered at g7, so can we deflect the White Q with 23 ...Rc4? What happened in the game? - fair enough, White gave up Q for R to cover the h2 inroad with the N, but was hopelessly down on material. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | stst: Ng4 cannot be executed first since Black Qxg7#
And Nf3 is quite a two-move affair, so the first thing is to divert the Q, before Ng4 can materialize.By fate or design, there's exactly one piece that can do the job at move
23..............Rc4, then
(I)===> QxR
24.QxR Ng4
25. (A) QxP Qxh2+
26.Kf1 Qxf2#
25.(B) Qd4 Qxh2+
26.Kf1 e3
27.QxN or fxe Qxf2#
(II) Q does not take R, will also lose quick:
24.Qe3 Ng4
25.Qf4 (else NxQ next) Qxh2+
26.Kf1 Qh1# |
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| Jul-14-16 | | stst: OH, the game gave a LONG...... wind.....!! sorry for that.... |
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| Jul-14-16 | | YouRang: Today, I'll present a good way to foul up a Thursday puzzle. Black to move 23...?
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Like everyone else, I noticed that (1) ...Ng4 would be a swell mating attack for black, and (2) I can't play it yet because 24...Ng4 25.Qxg7# is swell for white. Like <Penguincw>, my idea was <23...Rxa3>
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This seems to win a free pawn since 24.Bxa3? allows 24...Ng4 and mate. I even noticed that this permits white to take my knight <24.Rxd7>, since 24...Nxd7? allows 25.Qxg7#. But (I thought), "No problem, because I can recover the knight back with <24...Rxb3>
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My rook on b3 is safe because <25.Qxb3> allows <25...Ng4> and mate, right?
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Now for that part I overlooked: <26.Qxf7+! Rxf7 27.Rc8+ Rf8 28.Rxg7+ Kh8 29.Rxg4#> Pffft!
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Chess blindness can be fatal. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | whiteshark: <23...Rc4!>, and that's it. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | stacase: 23...Rc4 obviously wins. That White continued on for the next 7 moves didn't change the final outcome. |
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Jul-14-16
 | | piltdown man: Very easy today. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | Oxspawn: <Steve.Patzer: Well, I got the first two moves. Does that count for anything?>
Well I got the first ONE move as I did not expect white to play Nd2 and probably had no idea how to continue but (as it is Thursday) I awarded myself a fresh pot of coffee. So I think you must be on double rations. <Penguincw> I mostly lurk on this site but may I say how much I enjoy your contributions. You are a better player than me but I can usually follow your thought processes. You cheer the place up... it can be, you know, a bit dry from all the nonchalant expertise on display. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | saturn2: 23..Rc4 and if 24 Qe3 then 24...Ng4 25 Q any Qxh2 etc, |
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| Jul-14-16 | | erdogankilic: 23.Qc3 (instead of Qg2 ) was the fatal error ,i think. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | griga262: Seemed rather easy for a Thursday. At first, like many, I looked at Rxa3, but it didn't take long to see that Rc4 was much more decisive. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | kevin86: black needed to chase the queen---or take her. |
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Jul-14-16
 | | Penguincw: < dfcx: ... tockfish rates above position +0.40 for white @depth 24 > Of course, what I meant was that the line actually played in the game is much better for black than the line I came up with. :) < YouRang: ... Now for that part I overlooked: <26.Qxf7+! Rxf7 27.Rc8+ Rf8 28.Rxg7+ Kh8 29.Rxg4#> Pffft! > Wow, I overlooked that line as well, but that's a nice one. < Oxspawn >
Thanks for the kind words. :)
But I will say that I do use an engine (if you're on "pgn4web (default)", then if you click the e8 square, some analyzing software will come up). Meh, nothing wrong with that though. But I'm glad I can make at least one person, cheerful. :) |
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| Jul-14-16 | | YouRang: Even though I botched this puzzle, I liked it.
Normally when attacking, you think about deflecting defenders. But in this case, the point is to deflect the counter-attacker in order to safely spring your attack. 23...Rc4! is an offensive defensive move. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: Seems like a Mon-Tues level of difficulty to me.
That said, I came back to it about three times before realizing the puzzle wasn't White-to-win. :) |
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| Jul-14-16 | | Robed.Bishop: <YouRang: 23...Rc4! is an offensive defensive move.> I wasn't offended by it. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | YouRang: <Robed.Bishop><I wasn't offended by it.> Well, perhaps if you were playing the white side of the board at the time... ;-) |
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| Jul-14-16 | | YouRang: <Penguincw><Wow, I overlooked that line as well, but that's a nice one.> Yes, I'm afraid that I neglected my own chess axiom:
<If you find a losing move, look for a better one> - YouRang (It's not as memorable as Lasker's similar axiom, but just as true...) |
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| Jul-14-16 | | rdt: Doesn't 24.Qxf6 solve a lot of white's problems? Black can't play 24 ..Rxc4 because of the mate on g7, and trading a queen for rook and knight seems much better than whites actual line. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | rdt: Oops, I meant 24 ...Rxc1. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | YouRang: <rdt> But after 24.Qxf6,
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...black has 24...Nxf6, no?
Note: Black also has 24...gxf6, but ...Nxf6 renews the ...Ng4 mating threat. |
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Jul-14-16
 | | Jimfromprovidence: My favorite continuation so far is 23...Rc4 24 Qe1 Ng4 25 e2 Nc5! (an alternative to 25...Nxh2 in this line)
click for larger viewThe threat is 26...Nd3, and white does not appear to be able to stop it without great loss of material. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | Frank Eldon Dixon: Can White escape with 24.Qe1 (to guard f2) Ng4 25.e3, to create an escape square for the king on e2) Qxh2+ 26.Kf1 Qh1+ 27.Ke2. He is then threatening both 28.Rxd7 and 28.Rxc4; if Black exchanges on c1, then White recaptures with a playable game. If Black tries 24...e3 (to block the e2-pawn), then simply 25.Rxc4 Ng4 26.Rxg4 Qxg4 leaves White a piece up. What am I missing? |
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| Jul-14-16 | | KingsGambiteer: One day I hope to understand what in the holy Benoni chrisowen is attempting to say. |
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| Jul-14-16 | | Robed.Bishop: <YouRang> Maybe so, my friend. I was just poking a bit of fun at your phrasing. |
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