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Alexander Graf vs Armin Farmani Anosheh
Bundesliga (2017/18), Germany GER, rd 1, Oct-21
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation. Normal Defense (E81)  ·  1-0

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ANALYSIS [x]
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Jan-28-22  Brenin: 21 e5, e.g. 21 ... dxe5 22 Ne4 winning a piece, or 21 ... Qxe5 22 f4 Qe7 (Qe6 or Qe3 23 f5) 23 Ne4 winning a piece (at least), e.g. 23 ... Kf8 24 Bxf6 Bxf6 25 Nxf6 Qxe2 26 Qh6+ Ke7 27 Nxe8.
Jan-28-22  Cibator: Armin to win? No, yer out for the Count!
Jan-28-22  EasilyConfused: I think 22..Qe6 23 f5 Qe5 is better for Black than the game line. If 24 Ne4 Nxe4 25 Bxd8 Bf6 26 Bxf6 Qxf6 probably ends the attack, with Black having N+P for his rook
Jan-28-22  mel gibson: I didn't get this one.
I thought 21. Nf4

Stockfish 14 chooses the same line as the text:

21.e5

(21. e5 (e4-e5 ♕e7xe5 f3-f4 ♕e5-e7 ♘c3-e4 ♕e7xe4 ♗b1xe4 ♘f6xe4 ♗g5xd8 ♘b4-c6 ♗d8-c7 ♖e8-c8 ♗c7-b6 ♖c8-e8 ♕h4-e1 h7-h5 ♖f1-f3 ♘c6-d4 ♖f3-e3 ♘d4-f5 ♖e3-d3 ♘e4-f6 ♔h1-g1 ♗d7-c6 ♗b6-c7 ♘f5-h4 ♖d3xd6 ♘h4xg2 ♕e1-d1 ♘g2-h4 ♖d6-d8 ♘h4-f3+ ♔g1-f2 ♘f3xh2 ♖d8xe8+ ♘f6xe8 ♗c7-b6 ♘e8-f6 ♕d1-d8+ ♔g8-h7 ♕d8-e7 ♘f6-e4+ ♔f2-e3 ♘h2-g4+ ♔e3-d3 ♘g4-h6 ♖c1-f1 ♗g7-f6 ♕e7xe4 ♗c6xe4+ ♔d3xe4 ♘h6-f5 ♗b6xc5 h5-h4 ♔e4-d5 ♘f5-e7+ ♗c5xe7 ♗f6xe7 ♖f1-h1) +6.62/43 731)

score for White +6.62 depth 43.

Investigating my line - 21. Nf4
it still works but not as strong:

21. Nf4

(21.Nf4 Qe5 (♕e7-e5 ♘f4-e2 h7-h6 ♗g5xh6 ♗g7xh6 ♕h4xh6 b7-b5 a4xb5 a6xb5 c4xb5 ♗d7-e6 ♕h6-d2 d6-d5 f3-f4 ♕e5-h5 e4-e5 ♘f6-e4 ♕d2-e1 ♔g8-g7 ♘e2-g3 ♘e4xg3+ ♕e1xg3 ♕h5-g4 ♕g3xg4 ♗e6xg4 h2-h3 ♗g4-e6 ♘c3-a4 c5-c4 ♘a4-c5 c4xb3 ♘c5xb3 d5-d4 ♘b3-c5 d4-d3 ♘c5xe6+ ♖e8xe6 ♖c1-c4 d3-d2 ♖f1-d1 ♘b4-d3 ♗b1xd3 ♖d8xd3 ♖c4-c2 ♖e6-b6 ♖d1xd2 ♖d3xd2 ♖c2xd2 ♖b6xb5 ♔h1-h2 ♖b5-b3 ♖d2-e2) -2.97/36 196))

score for Black -2.97 depth 36

Jan-28-22  FM David H. Levin: <EasilyConfused: I think 22..Qe6 23 f5 Qe5 is better for Black than the game line. If 24 Ne4 Nxe4 25 Bxd8 Bf6 26 Bxf6 Qxf6 probably ends the attack, with Black having N+P for his rook>

On 22...Qe6 23. f5 Qe5, 24. fxg6 Re6 25. gxf7+ followed by 26. Nf4 seems brutal.

Jan-28-22  Refused: Two candidates:

Slow play with Nf4-d5 ideas. Which doesn't seem to be going anywhere with that Nb4 guarding the d5 square

Or e4-e5, which is usually the move you almost always want to play in those benoni structures. thumb rule, if you can get away with that pawn push you're pretty much always better.

1.e5
a)1... dxe5 2.Ne4 +-
b)1...Qxe5 2.f4 with a final split
b1)2...Qe6 3.f5 Qe5 4.fxg6 Re6 5.Nf4 uff black just gets pummeled there, maybe black survives this by some miracle, but I doubt it. b2) 2...Qe7 3.Ne4 Kf8 trying to limit the losses to an exchange 4.Nxf6 Qxe2 5.Qxh7 this looks so utterly resignable Qg8+ Qxg7+ is just one of the many terminal problems for black's position.

Jan-28-22  agb2002: The pin suggests e5-Ne4 and Nf4-Nc(f)d5.

In the case of 21.e5 Qxe5 (21... dxe5 22.Ne4 wins a piece) 22.f4:

A) 22... Qe3 23.f5 Qe5 24.fxg6 Re6 25.gxf7+ looks very bad for Black.

B) 22... Qe6 23.f5 Qe5 (23... gxf5 24.Rxf5 wins decisive material due to the pin) 24.fxg6 as in A.

C) 22... Qe7 23.Ne4 wins decisive material.

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In the case of 21.Nf4 Qe5 (21... h6 22.Bxh6 wins a pawn) 22.Nfd5:

A) 22... Re6 23.f4 Qd4 24.Rcd1 Qe3 25.Rf3 traps the queen.

B) 22... Nfxd5 23.Nxd5

B.1) 23... Nxd5 24.Bxd8 seems to win an exchange.

B.2) 23... Ra8 24.Nc7 wins an exchange.

B.3) 23... Rb8 24.Nf6+ Bxf6 25.Bxf6 weakens the black castle seriously.

B.4) 23... Rc8 24.Nf6+ as above (24.Ne7+ Rxe7 25.Bxe7 f6 traps the bishop).

C) 22... Nbxd5 23.Nxd5 Re6 (23... Nxd5 as in B.1) 24.f4 Qd4 25.f5 (or perhaps 25.Rcd1 Qb2 26.f5) 25... gxf5 26.exf5 Qxh4 27.Bxh4 Re5 28.Bxf6 Bxf6 29.Nxf6+ wins decisive material.

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21.e5 looks considerably stronger than 21.Nf4.

Jan-28-22  hdcc: Armin trouble.
Jan-28-22
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Jan-28-22
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  FSR: Nice. I didn't realize that 8.dxe6 was a serious idea. As usual <chrisowen> offers the most penetrating analysis.
Jan-28-22  AlicesKnight: I had the right idea - using the central pawn push - but not the right sequence. Surprising how quickly the Black position imploded.
Jan-28-22
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  Williebob: Armin Hammered

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