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Magnus Carlsen vs Alexander Naumann
"You Say Niemann, I Say Naumann, Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" (game of the day Oct-17-2022)
37th European Chess Club Cup (2022), Mayrhofen AUT, rd 2, Oct-04
Scotch Game: Mieses Variation (C45)  ·  1-0



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  0ZeR0: A game in the style of the Old Masters.

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  fredthebear: Good to see you ZR0!

As much as I hate to say it, by today's chess world, Kasparov and Kramnik are old masters.

Oct-06-22  SChesshevsky: Not sure what black was thinking with 22...Bxf4. Guessing it was either he felt he was so badly off positionally that the pawns gamble would somehow payoff if he could somehow survive. Or he was wildly optimistic.

White will soon have five pieces within striking distance of the black king with open lines and maybe only one black defender. Not good against anyone but against Carlsen?

Alternative black idea after 22. Bb2 is to try to blunt one white B, give up pawn lead for development, and exchange pieces and try to draw. Hopefully, without ever being worse. Think with two pawn lead and no direct lines to black king, might still be difficult but possible.

Oct-06-22  thebully99: Speaking of old masters I was reminded of Lasker's pawn sac win against Tarrasch that impressed Capablanca so much

Lasker vs Tarrasch, 1923

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  0ZeR0: <ftb>

Greetings. I hope all has been well with yourself and the other regulars. Naturally it seems much discussion has been had over the Niemann fiasco. As for myself I remain on the hunt for interesting games.

<SChesshevsky: Not sure what black was thinking with 22...Bxf4. Guessing it was either he felt he was so badly off positionally that the pawns gamble would somehow payoff if he could somehow survive. Or he was wildly optimistic.>

I think the former. Guy probably thought, heck, I'm in this position against the best player in the world?! Gotta try something!


I too could not help but think of that classic example. Great minds think alike (well in my case perhaps not so great).

Oct-06-22  ndg2: Magnus thought: "Naumann? Sounds a lot like Niemann. I have to beat this guy viciously!"
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  FSR: "Mr Dodgy allegedly" tweeted: "Magnus panicked for a second when he saw the pairing, right?"
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  FSR: You say Niemann, I say Naumann, Let's Call the Whole Thing Off.
Oct-07-22  whiteshark: At the end of the game the black rooks were still untouched.
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  Check It Out: There's still a lot of technical work to finish black off. A 1700 patzer could lose the white side to a GM easily.
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  al wazir: <Check It Out: There's still a lot of technical work to finish black off.>

Right. 30...Rae8 31. Rxf6+ Kg7 32. Rxc5 Re7. White is a ♙ up. Now what?

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  HeMateMe: ...seems kind of musical
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  FSR: The reference is to an old song performed by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, among others, entitled "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off." The two sing about a man and woman's different pronunciations of words such as potato (poe-tay-toe versus poe-tah-toe), and suggests that these differences should cause them to call off their marriage.
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  Teyss: Absolutely hilarious pun, well done FSR. Also, selecting the game puts the tournament on the radar screen where it was absent.

<FSR> The song was first performed in the movie "Shall We Dance" by Ginger Rogers & Fred Astaire, the Fitzgerald & Armstrong version came afterwards.
The subtext is a Brit and an American and/or two different social classes cannot make it as a couple. That is pure fiction of course, we know there is deep respect and love across the Atlantic.

At the end of the game, White will be a Pawn up/oup, Black's Pawn structure is crap/ghastly, the WRs are awesome/smashing. Any guy/lad would resign against Carlsen. FWIW SF rate the final position as high as +7.9 (29 ply).

Oct-17-22  goodevans: <al wazir>, <Check It Out>,

It's more accurate to take the pawn on c5 before taking the N to retain the option whether to take with rook or pawn, e.g. 30...Rae8 31.Rxc5 Re7 32.gxf6 Rd7 33.Bf5.

After 31.Rxc5 Black can only save the pawn on c7 by giving up the exchange so whether he chooses to save it or not White will have a significant material advantage to go with his total domination of the board.

Oct-17-22  goodevans: Very amusing game title from <FSR> but as for the song... Who on earth would say 'potahto'?
Oct-17-22  Cheapo by the Dozen: If I had seen the game and thought of the pun idea, I might have gone with " ... Call The Whole Thing On." :)
Oct-17-22  Cheapo by the Dozen: By far my most advanced foray into classical music performance was performing the Carmina Burana at a major venue. Not long thereafter, I had a girlfriend who was both an orchestra conductor and a punster. When I mentioned my Carmina Burana experience once too often, she responded:

"You say Car-min-na; I say Car-mee-na. Let's call the whole thing Orff."

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  scormus: <Cheapo ....>
Love it!
And did you counter with "You say call; I say Carl"?
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  FSR: <goodevans> "The song is most famous for its "You like to-may-to /təˈmeɪtə/ / And I like to-mah-to /təˈmɑːtə/" and other verses comparing British and American English pronunciations.

The differences in pronunciation are not simply regional, however, but serve more specifically to identify class differences. At the time, typical American pronunciations were considered less "refined" by the upper-class, and there was a specific emphasis on the "broader" a sound. This class distinction with respect to pronunciation has been retained in caricatures, especially in the theater, where the longer a pronunciation is most strongly associated with the word darling."

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  PawnSac: FSR: thats a good one. Of course we dont want to forget Fred Astaire. He sang it in one of the old black n white movies
Oct-17-22  drpoundsign: Would like to see a "Who's on First" pun here someday.
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  beatgiant: <drpoundsign>
It's been done: S Polgar vs I Madl, 2004
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  Teyss: Echo alert.

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