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Dec-14-24 | | Petrosianic: <jnpope>: <"Best player" could mean a number of things depending upon the metrics used.> That's quite true. The world champion is officially the best player, though people aren't required to salute that. <Getting through the candidates cycle and taking the FIDE crown is a big component, with ratings being another component.> That's also true, although ratings are a measure of recent results, not of playing strength. Ding's peak rating is 2816. That's his real strength, or closer to it than his current rating, at least. <For "professional" chess, I personally like to factor in prize-money won from events as a third component.> That's a measure of the most successful player, not necessarily the best. If you want to count earnings, the money that people like Naka, and even Gotham Chess earn from the game through YouTube is part of that equation. Fred Reinfeld, though nowhere near the best player in the US, was one of its most successful players if we go by earnings. |
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Dec-14-24
 | | jnpope: <Petrosianic: That's a measure of the most successful player, not necessarily the best. If you want to count earnings, the money that people like Naka, and even Gotham Chess earn from the game through YouTube is part of that equation. Fred Reinfeld, though nowhere near the best player in the US, was one of its most successful players if we go by earnings.> Which is why I specified prize-money as the metric that I use as it ties directly to a performance-outcome-success metric to indicate the "best". I think Golf has an equation for determining the best golfer in the world based on some type of function(event, prize-winnings) = points for ranking (I'm not a golfer so someone would need to explain that function/equation to me). |
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Dec-14-24 | | fabelhaft: <Gukesh is officially the best player in the world, like it or not> I never get the so often repeated idea that the World Champion by default always must be the best player in the world. Ding was the best player in the world up until a couple of days ago because he won a rapid game against Nepo, and now Gukesh is the best player in the world because he won a game against Ding. I don’t think it’s that simple. |
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Dec-14-24 | | fabelhaft: <The world champion is officially the best player, though people aren't required to salute that> Well I’m not saluting :-) |
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Dec-14-24 | | Lambda: You can alternatively think of the world champion as the player who stands ready to represent humanity if aliens come along tomorrow and challenge humans to a duel of chess. |
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Dec-14-24
 | | Dionysius1: One of the worst thing about equating the World Champion with Best in the World is that the WC speaks of a particular moment in time - there's nothing to stop the WC suffering a loss of form before the next title match. In which case someone else will be BitW, if only we knew who. Oh, of course! There's the rating system. |
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Dec-14-24
 | | Dionysius1: Heh <Lambda>. I like that - from the days when someone's champion would have been a brave and devoted soul fighting on their behalf :-). And I THINK "sponsor" at that time would just have meant the person they were fighting for? |
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Dec-15-24 | | Petrosianic: <Dionysius1>: <there's nothing to stop the WC suffering a loss of form before the next title match. In which case someone else will be BitW, if only we knew who. Oh, of course! There's the rating system.> No, there isn't. The rating system isn't a measure of strength, only of recent results. The designers of the system itself have said that till they were blue in the face, but people ignore it. It's Asimov's Culture of Ignraonce in action. I remember years back, before Anand won the title, and a bunch of his fans I knew were really upset because Anand had failed to catch Topalov, who had come out 1 point higher in the most recent rating list. They really thought that meant he was 1 point a "better" player than Anand. Maybe the most risible example is the 1968 Spassky-Korchnoi candidates final. Chessmetrics shows Korchnoi rated higher before the match, and STILL rated higher after losing decisively to Spassky. If Chessmetrics had been known then, the thoroughgoing ratings slaves would be thinking that the loser should advance to the championship. |
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Dec-15-24 | | stone free or die: I've read a lot of Asimov, and maybe this is something I should have known, but I didn't (at least I didn't associate the concept with the author): <"Asimov's Culture of Ignorance" refers to a concept described by science fiction author Isaac Asimov, where he argues that a significant portion of American society actively promotes and embraces ignorance, often viewing intellectual pursuits with suspicion and considering "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" as a democratic right, essentially creating a "cult of ignorance.".> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/45... It's from a short essay he wrote in 1980, available here: https://aphelis.net/wp-content/uplo... . |
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Dec-15-24 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <It's from a short essay he wrote in 1980, available here:> Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have referenced that, but it is an odd essay. He makes some good points, but a lot of it is that he's still angry, almost a quarter century later, that Adlai Stevenson wasn't elected, and seemed to feel that since Stevenson was better educated that should automatically make him a better President. I've seen some bizarre examples of his principle in action over the years, though. Before Y2K, we were talking to someone online who insisted that the 21st century began on January 1, 2000. We managed to get the mathematical principle across that a new century actually began at the END of 2000, rather than the beginning. But she still thought it should be considered to start at the beginning of the year because so many people believed it, as if you could just vote on the answer to math problems. Maybe I was too testy with Dionysius. He might never have read anything about the rating system. But even so, it seems like it should be common sense that the rating system doesn't measure strength. Does anybody really think that Gukesh was a better <player> Thursday evening than he was Thursday morning, or that he's a <worse> player now than he was at the start of the match because he lost points in the match? That just seems kinda ridiculous on the face of it. |
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Dec-15-24
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(1) A KING GRIND DING
(2) TERRIBLE TRADE IN TIME TORNADO |
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Dec-16-24
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TORTURE WITHOUT CURE |
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Dec-16-24 | | RookFile: 26. a4 is so weird. I'm sure that most amateurs, myself included, blitz out 26. Rd3, followed by Rad1 next. There certainly is not a need to rush the a pawn forward. |
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Dec-16-24
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TORTURE TILL RUPTURE |
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Dec-16-24
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Q: What's the strongest chess piece?
A: Time, the 17th piece.
Q: Why Time? Why not King?
A: Because Time can kill King. King cannot kill
Time . |
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Dec-16-24
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TIME KILLS KING |
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Dec-16-24
 | | beatgiant: <6t4addict> You know about the Pun Submission Page , right? |
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Dec-17-24
 | | Sally Simpson: It never happened but the arbiter could have made the very last move of this match. Final position. Gukesh has just played 58...Kd5-e5.  click for larger viewIf Ding had resigned after playing his 58th move then arbiter may have played 58...Ke5 and it would have registered before placing the White King on d4 stopping transmission. The final set up
 click for larger view...er...that's it. |
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Dec-17-24 | | fabelhaft: If Ding's last move just had been Ke1 instead, one could have made a strained parallel on how The Fellowship of the Ding was crushed by The Two Towers before the Return of the King. |
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Dec-19-24 | | Acrylion: Fischer random 960 should play a role in tie breaks ! |
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Dec-19-24
 | | saffuna: <Fischer random 960 should play a role in tie breaks !> Fischer random? Random champion! |
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Jan-07-25
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BISHOP IN CORNER INQUEST FOR CORONER |
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Jan-07-25
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Hey Bishop. Battlefield no place for worship, it's a place for hardship. If you must pray, pray in the middle. Not at some secluded corner, where you can be ambushed, and inquested by coroner. |
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Jan-08-25
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BISHOP IN CORNER GUEST FOR CORONER |
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Jan-09-25
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BISHOP IN CORNER COFFIN FOR CORONER |
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