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| Aug-06-04 | | ruylopez900: Hmm, Black seems cramped up and underdeveloped, but I don't think it's enough. (Obviously otherwise it wouldn't be played). It seems the queenside has been ignored for too long, but then again a quick breakthrough on the Kingside makes the queenside moot. |
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| Aug-06-04 | | refutor: don't underestimate the position. this used to be my favorite position as black (continuing 8.h5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Qc7) it doesn't look like black has much but black's position is surprisingly resourceful. |
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| Aug-07-04 | | ruylopez900: refutor, yes its that psyche and evaluation that has kept many variations of the Caro-Kann and maybe even the defense itself alive :) |
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| Aug-23-04 | | Dee Jay: Well i used to play this variation as black but i ran into a few problems with moves like Rh4 after Qc7. I play against the Caro with this line and i've never lost with it (truthfully). Also if it ever gets into a king & pawn ending, black normally has alot of problems. I beleive black has alot of problems with this Caro-Kann and i thoughrally enjoy playing it as WHITE! |
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Sep-21-04
 | | offramp: Here's an exciting game with this line:
Kavalek,L - Hubner,R
Tournament of Stars, Montreal, 1979
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 Nd7 8.h5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Ngf6 11.Bd2 e6 12.0-0-0 c5 13.Rhe1 Be7 14.d5 Nxd5 15.Rxe6 fxe6 16.Qg6+ Kf8 17.Qxe6 Nc7 18.Qf5+ Nf6 19.Ne5 Qc8 20.Ng6+ Kf7 21.Nxh8+ Qxh8 22.Re1 Re8 23.Qd3 b5 24.Nf5 Qh7 25.g4 a6 26.c4 Bf8 27.Rxe8 Kxe8 28.Qf3 Qg8 29.Qc6+ Kd8 30.Ba5 Qxc4+ 31.Kb1 Qe4+ 32.Qxe4 Nxe4 0-1 |
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| Sep-21-04 | | ragnar0C: refutor...why does that what u described work.....it still leaves the kingside un developed..
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| Dec-31-04 | | fizixgeek: So, I'm a little disillusioned with the Caro-Kann. It works great for online patzers who've never seen it, but it seems to me, if played right, White ends up with all the development. Black is sometimes saved by White's overanxious and ill-planned jabs (see Tal vs Kasparov, 1980). Otherwise, it seems like a rotten position. Somebody restore my faith in the Caro-Kann! |
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| Dec-31-04 | | tex: Caro-Kann is the best defense to 1.e4... if you are patient enough |
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| Dec-31-04 | | fizixgeek: On the topic of White's Rh4 (after Qc7, of course). I usually play (with Black) h5 instead of h6 (on move 6 or 7). The trouble is that if the bishop moves, the rook pawn becomes vulnerable. Still, I'm comfortable with the bishop where it is for a while and f7 can always use a little somethin'. No? |
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Jan-01-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Well, the CK is the opening which turned me from an A player to a Master, and it has been the opening of World Champions such as Capablanca, Botvinnik, Karpov and Kasparov. But perhaps this is a rare case where an opening good enough for the world's best is not good enough for most players. Endings are very poor for Black if White plays Ne5, Black takes the Knight, and White recaptures with the pawn (the exception: when Black can win that pawn). Even if Black avoids this, the pawn of h5 can have a surprisingly annoying restraining effect on the King side. Black wins in several ways (at least, I did); first and riskiest, castle on opposite sides and go for broke; second, go into endings or queenless middlegames where Black has two Knights versus Knight and dark-squared Bishop (White's light squares can be astonishingly weak); pick off a weak pawn at h5, f2 (!), or d4; a Knight versus bad Bishop ending; or swap all the way down to a King ending where my monarch is already in the middle of the board. fizixgeek, this might prove a restorative tonic:
www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1209554
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to a New Year's celebration. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | Gazman5: White’s choice between 11. Bd2 and 11. Bf4 is key. As a practitioner of the Caro-Kann I have tended to enjoy a much more comfortable game against Bd2. Bf4 seems to be the critical test of this variation, and Black's 2 main choices are the Qa5+ - Qc7 and Queenside castling option, which over the years seems to have been played more, but has not fared well in recent times. The alternative is the Nf6, e6, kingside castling option, which, is probably preferable, but has some very specific problems, particularly if white starts pushing his g pawn.
In the Bf4 line it is very easy to get overly passive and you without resourcefulness it is very easy to drift into a losing position without making any specifically serious mistakes. A very interesting idea is that played by Aleksi Reunanen in a number of simuls with great success. After 10. Qxd3 e6 11. Bf4 Nf6 12. 0-0-0 he opts for the interesting …Nd5!? It hits the Bishop on f4 which has little better than to return to d2. At this point he has then followed up with …Nb4 which hits the queen, and allowed him to kickstart Queenside operations in E Shaposhnikov vs A Reunanen, 2004 , P Zarnicki vs A Reunanen, 2004 and in Schmaltz vs A Reunanen, 2002 best option may be to capture on b4 as in M Sebag vs Jo Houska, 2004 but in this case white has suffered the psychological blow of losing both bishops by move 13. It may be that this move is inferior but it may be a useful surprise weapon against a booked up opponent. I’d be interested to see if anyone has thoughts or analysis on this idea. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | refutor: <gazman5> i think it's better to play 10. ...Qc7 and avoid 11.Bf4 altogether |
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| Jun-16-05 | | sandyobrien: <refutor> You're probably right. Also, 10...Qc7 11. Rh4 e6 12. Bf4 is no way to maintain the theme of 12... Bf4 because of 13. Qa4+ is followed by 13... Bd2 anyway. Anyway <Gazman5>, keeping 11. Bf4, can 11... Qa4+ be followed by anything better than 12. Bd2? 12. c3 is a possibility, but then king safety becomes an issue. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | mormonchess: I play the Caro-Kann Classical fairly regularly on playchess.com, and while it's not an aggressive opening by Black, you do have some very interesting opportunities. However, it demands that you play very good moves, for the aforementioned issues of lack of development, space, etc. I've won some great games online and over the board with this defense, but I've also lost some games too. But I can say that about any opening. It's a solid defense, but if you want to play it, study the various variations and you should be just fine. |
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Jun-16-05
 | | Eric Schiller: The Classical Caro-Kann is the opening that raised me to Master level and earned my first FIDE rating. Specifically, these games: Alan Williams vs E Schiller, 1979
Massana Jorge vs E Schiller, 1979
though not all of my adventures have been so pleasant: M Basman vs E Schiller, 1982
But it is a hard opening to beat, even if some tough and unpleasant defense is sometimes required:
J Gallagher vs E Schiller, 1985
Sometimes you get a bad position, but there are ways to fight back. The most annoying line is when White plays 3.e5, but there is an interesting gambit approach available, 3...c5!? The game
I Margulis vs E Schiller, 2001
is hardly a model of accuracy, but it does show some counterattacking potential. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | refutor: <eric schiller> what lines do you find difficult when white plays 3.e5? the "difficult" ones (to me) are the ones where white makes a kingside pawn storm, but white is walking a fine line. the toughest line for black, i find, is the main line of the classical where, although Black's position is solid, he doesn't have much counterplay or space. the good part of the line though is that since it is so solid, white has to burn some bridges to get an attack. in my opinion. |
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Jun-16-05
| | Eric Schiller: <refutor> I have generally avoided the 3...Bf5 lines, which allow White kingside attacks and in addition leaves Black with 8 different systems to prepare for. In my preferred defenses (3...Na6!?, 3...c5!?) there are no such kingside attacks, though there are other challenges. I gave only 3...Na6 in my first book on the CK, but added 3...c5 in the second edition. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | refutor: interesting...i find that for the most part, black can play the karpov system against the advance (with ..Ne7, ...Nd7, ...c5 etc.) and get a decent position. of course the Nc3, g4 lines are a different story, but i don't think the positions are particularly bad...sharp, yes, bad no. in my patzer opinion ;) |
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Jun-17-05
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: Eric Schiller, did you ever try 3.e5,g6!? The idea is to play a Gurgenidze System (1.e4,g6; 2.d4,Bg7; 3.c3,c6 followed by ...d5) without committing the KB to ...g7. I tried it in blitz during my career. 1.e4,c6; 2.d4,d5; 3.e5,g6; 4.Bd3,h5!?; 5.c3,Nh6 and 6...Bf5 was a typical line, but 4.c4! must be critical. I also played around with 1.e4,Nc6; 2.d4,d5; 3.e5,g6!? But I never used either line in tournament play--I'm not *that* crazy. |
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Jun-17-05
| | Eric Schiller: <Englishman> I usually follow ...Na6 with g6. Then ...c5, if possible. It is a Gurgendize type of system. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | azaris: Here's a fun line for White to spice things up a little: 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 c6 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Nf3 Nd7 7. h4 h6 8.
h5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 e6 11. Bf4 Qa5+ 12. Bd2 Qc7 13. O-O-O Ngf6 14.
Rhe1 Bd6 15. Ne5(N) Nxe5 16. dxe5 and now 16...Bxe5 is strongly met by 17. Nf5!! O-O 18. Nxg7! Kxg7 19. Qe3 Ng4 20. Qe2 f5 21. f3 Qb6 22. c3 and White is better. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | refutor: <azaris> the new "mainline" in this is 12. ...Bb4 13.c3 Be7 14.c4 (black's intention) then the queen can move to a number of places. any interesting ideas in this line azaris? |
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| Sep-02-05 | | Gazman5: <refutor> in a response to me on June 16, you hinted at your preference for the Qc7 line, which is reached via transposition, albeit after 2 extra moves each, in azaris' line. What would you play in response to his 15.Ne5 line? I'm not sure that i would make the captures that he suggests for black in that position. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | azaris: <refutor> What about 13. Ne4 Ngf6 14. Nd6+ Ke7 15. Nxb7 Bxd2+ 16. Nxd2 Qb4 17. Qb3 Qxd4 18. O-O-O? I Morovic vs Karpov, 2002 was drawn shortly after 18...Rhb8!?, but White can also play on with 19. Qa3+ c5 20. Na5 Rc8 21. Ndc4 Qxf2 22. Rhf1 Qxg2 23. Rg1 Qf2 24. Rxg7 Rg8 (24...Nxh5 25. Rgg1  ) 25. Nc6+ Kf8 26. Rxg8+ Kxg8 27. Qd3  . Note that 18...Qxf2 can be met with 19. Qa3+ c5 (19...Ke8?? 20. Nd6+ Kd8 21. Rhf1 Qxg2 22. Nxf7+ Kc7 23. Nxh8 Rxh8 24. Qxa7+ and wins) 20. Nf3 Rhc8 21. Rhf1 Qg3 22. Nd6 Qf4+ 23. Kb1 Rd8 24. Rd4!? (since 24...cxd4?? 25. Nf5+ Ke8 26. Nxg7#), but I can't find a convincing continuation here after 24...Qg3. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | refutor: <gazman5> i'm at work, but i don't think i could capture either. at a quick glance castling seems better, but i'm at work, i'll give it a more thorough look when i get home. |
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