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S R Dill

Number of games in database: 13
Years covered: 1868 to 1875
Overall record: +5 -7 =1 (42.3%)*
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S R DILL

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S. R. Dill

Secretary of the New York Chess Club 1869. (1)

Competitor at the New York CC Tournament (1866).

Notes
"...Mr. Dill is Irish..." (2)

"...the late Mr. S. R. Dill" (3)

Sources
(1) New York Round Table, 1869.04.10, p237
(2) New York World, 1876.06.08, p2
(3) Brooklyn Chess Chronicle, v5 n11, 16 August 1887, p172

Last updated: 2025-06-04 13:40:25

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S R Dill vs NN 1-0311868Casual gameC51 Evans Gambit
2. A Zerega vs S R Dill  0-1491868Casual gameC51 Evans Gambit
3. A Zerega vs S R Dill 1-0231868Casual gameC51 Evans Gambit
4. F Perrin vs S R Dill  1-04718721st Annual Brooklyn CC TournamentC21 Center Game
5. Mackenzie vs S R Dill  0-1301873Odds Game (Nb1)000 Chess variants
6. Mackenzie vs S R Dill  1-0221873Odds Game (Nb1)000 Chess variants
7. S R Dill vs J Barnett 1-0351873Brooklyn CC TournamentC52 Evans Gambit
8. Mackenzie vs S R Dill  1-0231873Odds Game (Nb1)000 Chess variants
9. J Barnett vs S R Dill  1-0301873Brooklyn CC TournamentC45 Scotch Game
10. Mackenzie vs S R Dill 1-0261874Odds Game (Nb1)000 Chess variants
11. E Alberoni vs S R Dill ½-½321874Cafe International Handicap Tournament /75C70 Ruy Lopez
12. S R Dill vs J Barnett  1-0451874Cafe International Handicap Tournament 1874/75C50 Giuoco Piano
13. S R Dill vs E McCutcheon 0-1241875Cafe International Handicap Tournament 1874/75C50 Giuoco Piano
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Jun-19-20
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  jnpope: <New York Chess Club.-[...] S. R. Dill, Esq., Secretary.>
New York Round Table, 1869.04.10, p237

Earliest chess related report I could find was his participation in the 1866 New York Chess Club Tournament (New York Herald, 1866.01.06, p9) and his last event would appear to be the 1876 Cafe International (New York World, 1876.10.02, p5).

James Mason states that Mr. Dill is Irish (New York World, 1876.06.08, p2) and The Brooklyn Chess Chronicle, v5 n11, 16 August 1887, p172, refers to him as <the late Mr. S. R. Dill>.

I suspect that this is Samuel R. Dill, a dry goods merchant, running a business at 812 Fulton and living at 325 Cumberland (Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1872, p184). The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 1871.12.23, p2, gives a notice that Edward Robinson and S. R. Dill have dissolved their partnership at 812 Fulton av. The Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1873, p188, gives his occupation as a "clerk" and residence as 257 Cumberland.

The City Directories for 1876 and 1877 give a Samuel Dill, clerk, residing at 56 S. 10th (no middle name or initial). Which may or may not be Samuel R. Dill.

The City Directory for 1887 has a Samuel Dill, clerk, residing at 201 Penn; 1888 lists Samuel Dill, supt., residing at 201 Penn., and 1889 lists a Samuel P. Dill as living at 201 Penn. Going back to 1886 shows Samuel P. Dill, electrotyper, living at 216 Penn, so there is definitely more than one Samuel Dill working in Brooklyn and each one may have had to be a "clerk" at different points in their lives.

Jun-20-20
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  Tabanus: What about Samuel Dill (1838-1920). He was a harness maker all his life (cf. dry goods?), Democrat, and sheriff of Ulster N.Y. from 1888.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactiv...

It seems he had a harness store in Wall Street in 1890's that moved to another street around 1905. He could perhaps have had a temporary (place in a) store in Brooklyn about 1873. I read he was elected "town clerk" in early 1870's. But the "R." I can't find except in 1872 directory.

<the late Mr. S. R. Dill>. His father Samuel Dill (born abt 1804) died in 1877. He lived in Shawangunk Ulster where most of the inhabitants were of Irish descent.

Samuel Dill the stereotypist/electrotypist was probably Samuel Philips Dill abt 1835-1902.

Perhaps not Samuel...

Jun-20-20
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  Tabanus: Samuel Dill (1838-1920) was a widower in 1872 (with an 8 year old son Samuel) after the death of his first wife Sarah J. Roosa. Perhaps that's where the R came from.
Jun-20-20
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  jnpope: <But the "R." I can't find except in 1872 directory.>

"Dill Samuel R. drygds. 1018 Fulton av. h 267 Cumberland"
Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1871, p182

"Dill Samuel R. drygds. 812 Fulton, h 325 Cumberland"
Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1872, p184

"Dill S. R. clk. h 257 Cumberland"
Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1873, p188

Jun-20-20
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  jnpope: <What about Samuel Dill (1838-1920). He was a harness maker all his life (cf. dry goods?) [...]>

Harnesses don't appear to be "dry goods". I did a survey of advertising in Brooklyn/New York from 1870-1879. You would purchase a harness from someone who specialized in harnesses and saddles and there is a whole section devoted to "Horse, Carriages, etc." that list harness makers, etc.

The dry goods section appears to be listings for ready-made clothing, hats, paper goods, children's toys, dry foods (sugar, flour), etc. Basically a dry goods store was a precursor to what we call a "Dime Store" in the US.

It would be highly unusual to find a harness for sale in dry goods store. It would be like trying to buy four tires/tyres for your car at your local dime store (or a variety store like HEMA for those of you on the other side of the pond).

Based in the City of Brooklyn Directory information (and the dissolution notice of Robinson & Dill at the 812 Fulton address), it looks like there was definitely a man named "S. R. Dill" who ran a dry goods store (at least in 1871 and 1872) and still clerking (perhaps for someone else's dry goods store) in 1873.

Samuel R. Dill, dry goods clerk, is the only S. R. Dill I've been able to dig up in the New York/Brooklyn area for the period of time "S. R. Dill" was playing chess.

Jun-20-20
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  Tabanus: <Samuel R. Dill, dry goods clerk, is the only S. R. Dill I've been able to dig up in the New York/Brooklyn area>

In the whole of US I find only a Salomon R. Dill in New Jersey 1895 census (no more info). I wonder, even if he was a harness maker could he not have a dry goods store also. His father ran a quite big farm until his death in 1877, I suspect this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dill_...

A card house, I know :) but there are not many alternatives, even with other S.'s.

Jun-20-20
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  jnpope: Civil War records show a private S. R. Dill from South Carolina. But I cannot find any further information. Perhaps a southerner who traveled north to find work after the war? Perhaps returning south at some point...
Jun-20-20
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  Tabanus: <L. R. Dill in 1869> Oh where did I find that again. What if he was a Hebrew so <Lemuel> R. Dill? Pretty desperate, but ..
Jun-20-20
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  jnpope: Too many cases of his name showing up as S. R. Dill for me to buy L. R. (and an Irish Hebrew?)
Jun-21-20
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  Tabanus: I just noticed on the "Dill Farn" (?) in 1880 there is Samuel Dill Jr., 2nd wife Susan, and a Lemuel Relyea, but he is also a harness maker (and is only 19). Samuel Jr.'s son Samuel J. who died in Jamaica abt 1917 is not there as he grew up with the parents of 1st wife Roosa.

Then there was also a <Captain Samuel Dill> ...

Jun-22-20
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  jnpope: How about Samuel Dill (36), born in New Jersey, was living in New York at the time of the 1860 Census with wife Anna (26), daughter May (7) and infant Sarah (7 months old). Occupation Shoe Maker.

Now the business partner of "S. R. Dill" was Edward Robinson who was apparently a Hatter (Hat Maker).

What are the chances that the two of them, a shoe maker and hatter, went into business selling and perhaps producing their own "dry goods"?

As you say, <Pretty desperate, but ...>

Jun-22-20
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  Tabanus: Yeah :/ But I can't find him in censuses except 1860.

<Dill Samuel R. drygds. 1018 Fulton av> in 1871. The year before in 1870 there was an Annie B. Dill, dressmaker, at <1020> Fulton av. - the wife?

Jun-22-20
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  jnpope: Possible. But like you I cannot find any other mention of this family.
Jun-22-20
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  Tabanus: Many of these Dill's are incredibly chaotic.

Samuel Dill Sr. (1804-1877) was both "late" (in 1887) and of Irish descent. A rich farmer who could have had a sale. But he was old, and no R.

Jun-22-20
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  jnpope: 1018 Fulton and 1020 Fulton appear to be the same building in Brooklyn. Perhaps the first floor was the dry goods store and the upper level was the dress makers shop.

I found advertising in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle for} 1868 and 1869 where Annie B. Dill was advertising for a forewoman in late 1868 and dress finishers in early 1869. So it looks like Samuel R. Dill and the wife had a little enterprise going.

I like her husband as the candidate because he was living in the city and his initials were definitely "S. R.". The farmer and harness maker appear to live too far away to be able to spend a lot of evenings playing in some of those International Cafe tournaments and you really need to push things to fit the "R." for either of those two.

Jun-23-20
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  Tabanus: Passenger list 1865: (Mr) S R Dill, 26, arriving in New York 18 Feb 1865 on board Etna departed from Liverpool.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactiv...

Jun-23-20
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  Tabanus: The Evening Telegram of 14 July 1881 p. 3 has a story about "A very dangerous woman" in Queens NY, Mrs. Annie B. Dill, who had beat her 8 years old son and thrown him down the cellar stairs. She "has been married twenty years" (apparently to a Mr. Dill) and separated from her husband the last five years (= since 1876) owing to her terrible temper. Her father John Perry is 70+.
Jun-23-20
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  jnpope: <Tabanus: <Passenger list 1865: (Mr) S R Dill, 26, arriving in New York 18 Feb 1865 on board Etna departed from Liverpool.>>

Arrives prior to the New York Chess Club Tournament of 1866, I like it. Any good genealogy sources for the UK? Can we tie him to Ireland?

<The usual weekly meeting of the Young Men's Christian Association (Presbyterian Church) will be held at the rooms, 8, Westermoreland-street, this evening. An essay will be ready by Mr. S. R. Dill on "Fiction and the Modern Novel.">
Dublin Daily Express, 1864.03.21, p2

Looks like S. R. Dill, dry goods merchant, has competition.

Jun-23-20
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  Tabanus: That young man should be checked. Just in case - 1880 census of Flushing, Queens, N.Y. (= same area as in story):

Herman <Dell>, 40, Shipping Clerk, Annie B, 41, Wife, House Keeper, Richard 11, Adopted Boy, Thomas, 6, Adopted Boy, John Perry, 74, Father in Law.

Jun-23-20
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  Stonehenge:

There's a Samuel Richard Dill, b 2 DEC 1838, Carnmoney, Antrim, (Northern) Ireland;

He died on 10 NOV 1878, but in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland. So that doesn't look to be him.

Jun-23-20
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  jnpope: <He died on 10 NOV 1878, but in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland. So that doesn't look to be him.>

Depends. We don't have a firm date or location on the death of chess player S. R. Dill. He may have returned to Ireland at some point...

Jun-24-20
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  jnpope: I found an S. R. Dill leaving New York on June 13, 1878 aboard the Steamship <State of Indiana> headed for Glasgow, per the New York Daily Tribune, 1878.06.13, p3. And the <State of Indiana> arrived in Glasgow on June 24, 1878, according to the Glasgow Herald, 1878.06.25, p6.

The interesting thing is that the "State Line" of steamships sail from Glasgow to New York calling at Larne (Belfast) as part of their regular route per the Londonderry Sentinel, 1878.06.22, p3. Three ships left New York for Europe on the 13th, one went to Hamburg, one to Liverpool and one to Glasgow.

My theory is S. R. Dill took the fastest way back to Ireland via a New York to Glasgow route and caught another vessel heading back to New York to get from Glasgow to Belfast.

It seems possible that <Samuel Richard Dill, b 2 DEC 1838, Carnmoney, Antrim, (Northern) Ireland; died on 10 NOV 1878, in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland> could actually be our man. If we can nail down any mention of Samuel Richard Dill heading to New York in 1865, or arriving back in Ireland in 1878, he would definitely become a front-runner.

There is not enough information for me to conclude that the S. R. Dill who arrived in New York in 1865 is the same S. R. Dill who left for Europe in 1878. We really need a corroborating piece of data to make this theory work.

Jun-25-20  Granny O Doul: I have to that in the wake of Edward Winter's recent semi-retirement, it's inspiring to see the community here all pitching in to take up the slack.
Jun-25-20
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  Tabanus: Could be https://www.geni.com/people/Samuel-...

He was apparently a son of Rev. John Dill, who graduated MA from Glasgow Univ. 1821, married 1828 to his cousin Elizabeth Dill, and was Presbyterian minister at Carnmoney, County Antrim, Ireland until he died in 1841. After which Elizabeth (d. 1862) opened a school in Belfast.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p38210.ht...
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dill...

Jun-25-20
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  Tabanus: Can't find him in the British newspapers :(

There was apparently a chess column in the "Weekly Whig" (Belfast) which I believe is not yet included in BN-archive (only Northern Whig is).

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