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Jun-20-20
 | | Tabanus: <Samuel R. Dill, dry goods clerk, is the only S. R. Dill I've been able to dig up in the New York/Brooklyn area> In the whole of US I find only a Salomon R. Dill in New Jersey 1895 census (no more info). I wonder, even if he was a harness maker could he not have a dry goods store also. His father ran a quite big farm until his death in 1877, I suspect this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dill_... A card house, I know :) but there are not many alternatives, even with other S.'s. |
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Jun-20-20
 | | jnpope: Civil War records show a private S. R. Dill from South Carolina. But I cannot find any further information. Perhaps a southerner who traveled north to find work after the war? Perhaps returning south at some point... |
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Jun-20-20
| | Tabanus: <L. R. Dill in 1869> Oh where did I find that again. What if he was a Hebrew so <Lemuel> R. Dill? Pretty desperate, but .. |
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Jun-20-20
| | jnpope: Too many cases of his name showing up as S. R. Dill for me to buy L. R. (and an Irish Hebrew?) |
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Jun-21-20
| | Tabanus: I just noticed on the "Dill Farn" (?) in 1880 there is Samuel Dill Jr., 2nd wife Susan, and a Lemuel Relyea, but he is also a harness maker (and is only 19). Samuel Jr.'s son Samuel J. who died in Jamaica abt 1917 is not there as he grew up with the parents of 1st wife Roosa. Then there was also a <Captain Samuel Dill> ... |
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Jun-22-20
| | jnpope: How about Samuel Dill (36), born in New Jersey, was living in New York at the time of the 1860 Census with wife Anna (26), daughter May (7) and infant Sarah (7 months old). Occupation Shoe Maker. Now the business partner of "S. R. Dill" was Edward Robinson who was apparently a Hatter (Hat Maker). What are the chances that the two of them, a shoe maker and hatter, went into business selling and perhaps producing their own "dry goods"? As you say, <Pretty desperate, but ...> |
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Jun-22-20
| | Tabanus: Yeah :/ But I can't find him in censuses except 1860. <Dill Samuel R. drygds. 1018 Fulton av> in 1871. The year before in 1870 there was an Annie B. Dill, dressmaker, at <1020> Fulton av. - the wife? |
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Jun-22-20
| | jnpope: Possible. But like you I cannot find any other mention of this family. |
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Jun-22-20
| | Tabanus: Many of these Dill's are incredibly chaotic.
Samuel Dill Sr. (1804-1877) was both "late" (in 1887) and of Irish descent. A rich farmer who could have had a sale. But he was old, and no R. |
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Jun-22-20
| | jnpope: 1018 Fulton and 1020 Fulton appear to be the same building in Brooklyn. Perhaps the first floor was the dry goods store and the upper level was the dress makers shop. I found advertising in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle for} 1868 and 1869 where Annie B. Dill was advertising for a forewoman in late 1868 and dress finishers in early 1869. So it looks like Samuel R. Dill and the wife had a little enterprise going. I like her husband as the candidate because he was living in the city and his initials were definitely "S. R.". The farmer and harness maker appear to live too far away to be able to spend a lot of evenings playing in some of those International Cafe tournaments and you really need to push things to fit the "R." for either of those two. |
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Jun-23-20
| | Tabanus: Passenger list 1865: (Mr) S R Dill, 26, arriving in New York 18 Feb 1865 on board Etna departed from Liverpool. https://www.ancestry.com/interactiv... |
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Jun-23-20
| | Tabanus: The Evening Telegram of 14 July 1881 p. 3 has a story about "A very dangerous woman" in Queens NY, Mrs. Annie B. Dill, who had beat her 8 years old son and thrown him down the cellar stairs. She "has been married twenty years" (apparently to a Mr. Dill) and separated from her husband the last five years (= since 1876) owing to her terrible temper. Her father John Perry is 70+. |
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Jun-23-20
| | jnpope: <Tabanus: <Passenger list 1865: (Mr) S R Dill, 26, arriving in New York 18 Feb 1865 on board Etna departed from Liverpool.>> Arrives prior to the New York Chess Club Tournament of 1866, I like it. Any good genealogy sources for the UK? Can we tie him to Ireland? <The usual weekly meeting of the Young Men's Christian Association (Presbyterian Church) will be held at the rooms, 8, Westermoreland-street, this evening. An essay will be ready by Mr. S. R. Dill on "Fiction and the Modern Novel.">
Dublin Daily Express, 1864.03.21, p2
Looks like S. R. Dill, dry goods merchant, has competition. |
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Jun-23-20
| | Tabanus: That young man should be checked. Just in case - 1880 census of Flushing, Queens, N.Y. (= same area as in story): Herman <Dell>, 40, Shipping Clerk, Annie B, 41, Wife, House Keeper, Richard 11, Adopted Boy, Thomas, 6, Adopted Boy, John Perry, 74, Father in Law. |
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Jun-23-20
 | | Stonehenge: There's a Samuel Richard Dill, b 2 DEC 1838, Carnmoney, Antrim, (Northern) Ireland; He died on 10 NOV 1878, but in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland. So that doesn't look to be him. |
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Jun-23-20
| | jnpope: <He died on 10 NOV 1878, but in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland. So that doesn't look to be him.> Depends. We don't have a firm date or location on the death of chess player S. R. Dill. He may have returned to Ireland at some point... |
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Jun-24-20
| | jnpope: I found an S. R. Dill leaving New York on June 13, 1878 aboard the Steamship <State of Indiana> headed for Glasgow, per the New York Daily Tribune, 1878.06.13, p3. And the <State of Indiana> arrived in Glasgow on June 24, 1878, according to the Glasgow Herald, 1878.06.25, p6. The interesting thing is that the "State Line" of steamships sail from Glasgow to New York calling at Larne (Belfast) as part of their regular route per the Londonderry Sentinel, 1878.06.22, p3. Three ships left New York for Europe on the 13th, one went to Hamburg, one to Liverpool and one to Glasgow. My theory is S. R. Dill took the fastest way back to Ireland via a New York to Glasgow route and caught another vessel heading back to New York to get from Glasgow to Belfast. It seems possible that <Samuel Richard Dill, b 2 DEC 1838, Carnmoney, Antrim, (Northern) Ireland; died on 10 NOV 1878, in Kilkeel, (Northern) Ireland> could actually be our man. If we can nail down any mention of Samuel Richard Dill heading to New York in 1865, or arriving back in Ireland in 1878, he would definitely become a front-runner. There is not enough information for me to conclude that the S. R. Dill who arrived in New York in 1865 is the same S. R. Dill who left for Europe in 1878. We really need a corroborating piece of data to make this theory work. |
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| Jun-25-20 | | Granny O Doul: I have to that in the wake of Edward Winter's recent semi-retirement, it's inspiring to see the community here all pitching in to take up the slack. |
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Jun-25-20
| | Tabanus: Could be https://www.geni.com/people/Samuel-... He was apparently a son of Rev. John Dill, who graduated MA from Glasgow Univ. 1821, married 1828 to his cousin Elizabeth Dill, and was Presbyterian minister at Carnmoney, County Antrim, Ireland until he died in 1841. After which Elizabeth (d. 1862) opened a school in Belfast. http://www.thepeerage.com/p38210.ht...
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dill... |
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Jun-25-20
| | Tabanus: Can't find him in the British newspapers :(
There was apparently a chess column in the "Weekly Whig" (Belfast) which I believe is not yet included in BN-archive (only Northern Whig is). |
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| Jul-06-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: The <Samuel R. Dill> who was a dry goods merchant in Brooklyn appears in the 1870 U.S. Census as <Saml Daill>, enumerated on 1870.07.15, age at last birthday: 30, place of birth: Ireland. |
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Jul-06-25
| | jnpope: <WilhelmThe2nd>: Nice find. The current "best theory" is:
• Samuel Richard Dill, born 2 DEC 1838, Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland • (Mr) S R Dill, 26, arriving in New York 18 Feb 1865 on board Etna departed from Liverpool. • Participation in the 1866 New York Chess Club Tournament (New York Herald, 1866.01.06, p9) • New York Chess Club.-[...] S. R. Dill, Esq., Secretary. (New York Round Table, 1869.04.10, p237) • "Saml Daill", dry goods merchant in Brooklyn appears in the 1870 U.S. Census (1870.07.15), age: 30, place of birth: Ireland. • Edward Robinson and S. R. Dill dissolve their partnership at 812 Fulton av. (Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 1871.12.23, p2) • Dill, Samuel R. drygds. 1018 Fulton av. h 267 Cumberland (Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1871, p182) • Dill, Samuel R. drygds. 812 Fulton, h 325 Cumberland (Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1872, p184) • Dill, S. R. clk. h 257 Cumberland (Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1873, p188) • James Mason states that Mr. Dill is Irish (New York World, 1876.06.08, p2) • 1876 Cafe International (New York World, 1876.10.02, p5) • S. R. Dill leaving New York on June 13, 1878 aboard the Steamship <State of Indiana> headed for Glasgow (New York Daily Tribune, 1878.06.13, p3) • <State of Indiana> arrived in Glasgow on June 24, 1878 (Glasgow Herald, 1878.06.25, p6) • Samuel Richard Dill died on 10 NOV 1878, in Kilkeel, Ireland • The "late Mr. S. R. Dill" (Brooklyn Chess Chronicle, v5 n11, 16 August 1887, p172) |
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Jul-06-25
| | jnpope: <Harness Maker Dill> living in Shawangunk, Ulster county, NY is not a viable candidate. Shawangunk is 80 miles from New York City. By horse drawn carriage traveling a speedy clip of 5 mph it would have taken him roughly 16 hours, one-way, to play chess. <Cobbler Dill>, the shoe maker from New Jersey was born in New Jersey, which I believe excludes him. Other candidates also seem just as unlikely.
I think our best suspect is Samuel Richard Dill, but we still haven't been able to prove it. |
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| Jul-09-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: In case the chessplayer <S. R. Dill> was the <Samuel Richard Dill> who died in Ireland in 1878, here is the documentation regarding the latter's death: <DEATHS...DILL—November 10, at Rostrevor, Samuel Richard Dill, eldest son of the late Rev. John Dill, of Carnmoney, aged 40 years.> (The Belfast News-Letter, 1878.11.12, p1) The Civil Registration record of Samuel Richard Dill's death states that he was a bachelor who's age at last birthday was 39 years and who worked as a commission agent. He died of 'Phthisis Pulmonalis' (an older term for pulmonary tuberculosis); duration of illness: 3 years. The informant was John Dill of Lurgan. (1878 — DEATHS Registered in the District of Rostrevor in the Union of Kilkeel in the County of Down) |
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Jul-09-25
| | jnpope: <...he was a bachelor> So Annie B. Dill wasn't his wife. Perhaps they were related in some other way, a sister-in-law, a cousin, or was it just a coincidence that they worked out of the same building (i.e. was it the "Irish district" in Brooklyn at the time?). |
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