Jun-15-05
 | | Benzol: Anyone know if this is Edmund Hall? |
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| Aug-02-07 | | vonKrolock: <Benzol> Do You mean, perhaps, John Edmund Hall, born August 2th 1853, deceased October 27th 1941 - Well, after seeing the featured game, I can imagine that he would prefer NOT to be this Hall... A better game can be found, Seth Ward vs J. E. Hall, Bradford 1893, 0-1 in 35 moves, starting with 1.e4 ♘f6 (an Alekhine avant la lettre) 2.e5 ♘d5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 ♘b6 5.♘f3 ♗g4 etc - eventually a PGN can be submitted here too |
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| Aug-02-07 | | Calli: Pollock remained in the USA after the New York 1889 until returning to England for the Hastings 1895 tournament, so the location or date is incorrect. Pollock did play at Saint Louis 1890 and a player named "William A. Haller" finished fourth at that tournament. I don't know if this game is from that event. |
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| Aug-02-07 | | vonKrolock: <Calli> :) Thanks for furnishing the facts around Pollock's whereabouts, a good alibi for J. Edmund Hall - NIC base gives <New York 1890> for the game featured here, but <E Hall> is there, wrongly, identified as Hall Earl C, a player active in the 1990s (at least the place and date are plausible, and, in principle,NIC is aparently inclined to absolve J. E. Hall...) |
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| Aug-02-07 | | Calli: The other Haller game is here: W Haller vs W Pollock, 1890 A short win for Pollock, so maybe Haller is Hall as Black. |
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| Aug-02-07 | | vonKrolock: <"In My Father's house are many Halls; if it were not so, I would have told you"> John |
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| Aug-02-07 | | weisyschwarz: <vonKrolock> it's not Halls, but mansions, in John. |
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| Aug-02-07 | | vonKrolock: <weisyschwarz> Yes, I know :) Carnegie Mansion, Mansion's Mentho-Lyptus, Mansion of Fame, etc, etc - <Calli> Sure, W Haller was an amateur, presumably from Saint Louis, were he played and lost some games against great chess personalities at least between 1880 (vs Zukertort) and 1902, cf. Lasker vs W Haller, 1902 It would be possible to stablish assuredly that the Pollock-Hall game was played in Saint-Louis ?! |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Calli: Don't have anything to verify the theory about Haller/Hall. The only place would be chess publications in 1890 or Pollock's own chess column in the "Baltimore Sunday News". "At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines" <Springsteen> in Born to Run |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Calli: The Lasker-Haller game was actually a consulting game. The partners were Lasker, Fitch, Yates, Downman against Haller, Widen and Judd according to Ken Whyld's collection. I think this is in small error. There was a player named J. Yates Downman (Downing?) or something like that and Lasker probably had 2 partners and not 3 as Whyld has it. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | vonKrolock: Well, it seems that we have here still another interesting mistery... chessbase on-line ignores the Pollock-Hall miniature, the position after 8...♘e7 appears there once, but white ignores the Legal-Pollock mate / or whole ♙ loss; even the position after 8.d2-d3 is quite rare, but with at least one classic (well, the great Frank James would never play 8...♘e7 - nor even in a nightmare) Schlechter vs Marshall, 1906 |
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| May-09-18 | | Jean Defuse: ...
Olimpiu G. Urcan:
The December 29, 1905 issue of the Manchester Guardian offered the score of this Pollock miniature, said to have been played in Baltimore: W.H.K. Pollock – W. Hall
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.O-O d6 6.Nd5 Bg4 7.c3 Bc5 8.d3 Ne7 9.Nxe5 Bxd1 10.Nxf6+ gxf6 11.Bxf7+ Kf8 12. Bh6 mate. Various other sources give conflicting details about the identity of the Black player, the location and the date. There are many examples available but one of the most laughable instances is the utterly unreliable Chessgames.com. The latter gives the game as having been played against “E. Hall” in England in 1890. (See C.N. 9185 and page 341 of the Pollock book.) ... |
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