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| Sep-09-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: <The Aramaic Broadcast Network runs anti-Islamic messages 24 hours a day> I'm sure a noteworthy credential in <Big Pawn>'s eyes, but nothing will persuade him of the existence of biblical paedophila. He's in too deep, up to his ears in ideological ignorance, pointing the finger at homosexuals while brandishing his book of unquestionable morality in the other. |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Big Pawn: Dues, I'm a little slow, so just give me the verse in the bible where it says Mary was 12 or 13. Thanks. |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Big Pawn: Mort, I'm willing to be persuaded. Please give me the bible verse that encourages pedophilia. I'll be here waiting.
By the way, Mohammed married a little girl of 9 or so (but not Moses, Jesus, Elijah, Elisha etc...) Thanks. Waiting... |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: <Please give me the bible verse that encourages pedophilia.> The Bible has nothing to say against pedophilia. But it does have some passages that seem to approve of it. For example: It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war. <And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11 Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23> It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave. <if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10> The problem with fundamentalist Christians is they believe every word of the Bible, yet more often than not they are unfamiliar with the text. Consider this the start of your theological education <Big Pawn>. I encourage you to take further steps without any hand holding from me. Thanks |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Big Pawn: I can't find the sentence where it encourages pedophilia or marrying a 9 year old (or 12 year old etc...) Where is it? Did I miss it? You posted half the bible here. Please just give me the verse. Thanks. |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war. <And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11 Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23> It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave. <if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10> |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Big Pawn: <It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war.> Are these your words or are they found in a verse?
Can you just show me the verse? |
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| Sep-09-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: <And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11 Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23> |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: Okay Mort, so you can't give me the verse. None of this encouraged pedophilia and none of it says to take a girl, 9 years old (like Mohammed) or 12 years old, or 13 years old and marry them. None.
For instance, instead of giving a verse that says what YOU say, you give me this: <And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses> What's with the ...? I don't see any ... in this verse in my bible. Also, this verse says nothing about marrying 9-12 year old girls. Also, this verse says nothing about encouraging pedophilia either. So why then did you paste this? It's completely irrelevant to your pedophilia point. This verse talk about war and avenging the children of Israel. Where's the pedo stuff? |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: You didn't run away already, did you Mort?
Why don't you post
Here Mort, let me show you how it's done:
<SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)> See that? That's how it's done!
Now go and find the verse YOU were talking about in the bible or be exposed as a liar. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war. <And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11 Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23> It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave. <if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10> |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: Another liar humbled. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <Colonel Mortimer: It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war.> Those are your words. Those words are not in the bible. Thanks for making my point. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age)> Right, no mention of age.
You invented the idea of underage girls here. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: "I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: Look how easy this is for me and how hard it is for you - because you are lying. Here, look some more:
<<SAHIH MUSLIM
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309> Clear enough? |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <"I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV> It's about a covenant between the Lord and Israel. But you wouldn't know that because you're an atheist. Also, let's just pretend that this was about a man and a women. Notice it does not mention age? Rather that she had arrived in full adornment - what, 18, 19 years old? You lose again Mort, but your hate and your pride will allow me to keep bludgeoning your foolish arguments. Keep coming. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <mort> and discerning readers. Please see this disgusting verse from the Quran. <Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)> Intercourse at 9!!
While mort is groping for something, anything the Quran makes explicit the pedophilia! |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: <because you are lying.> By quoting your beloved bible? Ezekiel 16:7-8 states that a girl is ready for love at puberty. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV> I'm not seeing <states that a girl is ready for love at puberty> here Mort. Where is it? |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: "I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <"I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment.> No pedophilia there. Nothing about being 9 years old or a child here, but this is a parable about the Lord's covenant with Israel anyway. Let's see what happens. <Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.> No pedophilia there either. Breasts were formed but no marriage taking place. In the quran Mohammed bent over a 9 year old girl (hint: no breasts yet!!). But here, no action yet. Let's see what happens in the parable. <When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love> I guess the Lord wants us to wait for the age of love before marriage. Fully formed breasts (puberty) were quite enough. Apparently the Lord waiting until the time of love was proper (unlike Mohammed marrying a 6 year old and bending her over at 9...) <and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness;> Wait a second, where's the intercourse? All the Lord did was cover her nakedness? I do not see any pedophilia here. But in the Quran it states that Mohammed had intercourse with a 9 year old. Just sayin... <I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.> Where's the sex? The Lord entered into a covenant and Israel became his. Hmmm Where's the pedophilia you are trying to prove?
Fact is you are a liar Mort. I've diced up your belligerent posts into fine pieces for the discerning reader to see. You have utterly failed in your attempt to smear God with your lies. I am honored to be the one to expose you and I enjoy doing God's work. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Colonel Mortimer: <Fully formed breasts (puberty) were quite enough> My point! At the time the bible was written it was common to deflower girls at the age of puberty. Puberty in girls usually occurs ages 8 to 13. Thanks for making my point - though it's never totally satisfying when an unworthy opponent hands you victory on a plate. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | SugarDom: Mort, you're sick defending a person who had a harem of young girls as young as 9. Go to Iraq and die there Mort. |
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| Sep-10-14 | | Big Pawn: <<Fully formed breasts (puberty) were quite enough>> I meant <weren't>.
Your point is not taken because in this line, the Lord WAITED still. You've failed to show anything about sex, let alone pedophilia. All you've done is reveal how much of a childlike mind you have. I tore your quote apart and exposed you as an empty head. |
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