Why are liberals dishonest? Basically, what it boils down to, is political liberalism as a philosophy is all about standing up for the downtrodden, and fighting the oppressor.

It doesn't matter if that is a true characterization - it is what is believed by the liberal: "I am fighting for the little guy, against the powerful". Or "I am standing up for what is just because I speak truth to power".

All the actions of the liberal flow from this idea, this belief that they are working for <justice>. Thus, we get the Social Justice Warrior, SJW.

And often, the liberal herself identifies with the oppressed group, or believes herself to be part of the oppressed group.

My sister is very liberal. And she also is a mother. And one time she said something very telling to me. She defended her son for lying, and she also defended herself for lying, when she was a child. She said that because children are small and don't have a lot of power in a relationship, they have to use lies and manipulation to get what they want! The idea that a child should accept what his/her parents say? That thought never even occurred to her!

So when you asked me the question a while back, I thought about it. And I remembered the time my sister said this. I think it is the explanation.

Here is the key - liberals are always "Fighting against THE MAN" or "Fighting against THE POWER" or "Fighting against BIG CORPORATIONS". And since they are the weaker side, they believe it is OK for them to lie, in order to manipulate people, to achieve victory for whatever cause they are working at the time.

We see this especially in the history of the far left, the Communists. Lenin and Stalin believed in 2 tactics - first, lie to/manipulate the working class, to force the communist agenda onto society. And the intelligentsia who could see through the lies? Tactic two: Kill them.

Anyway, now we see how this SJW mindset is hurting the Democratic Party so badly. As Mitch McConnell said a couple years ago, the Republican Party is in a great situation!

Because the SJW is never satisfied. But true social justice has mostly been achieved. For example, Labor has a minimum wage, 40 hour work week, OSHA, etc. Blacks have affirmative action, an end to Jim Crow laws, an end to redlining, etc. Women have equal employment opportunities, equal pay, etc. Gays have marriage now. So the SJWs have to go ever further into grievance politics to find causes.

So is there something wrong with working for <justice>?

Perhaps the fears of those on the Right stem from the idea that rights are a zero-sum game, where the gaining of rights for some leads to the loss of rights for others. Perhaps there is also fear on the part of those who equate justice with revenge--what will happen when those who have had rights denied have the ability to stand up for themselves?

<But true social justice has mostly been achieved.>

So is there something wrong with working for <justice>?>

Ever hear of a place called "Auschwitz?"

Ever hear of "inner-city murder rates?"
Inner-city incarceration rates?

If you're lost, the first was in Germany.
The last two happen under the moniker of, "The Great Society."

<Great Society>

Social justice = a tool of communist propaganda.

Affirmative action is unjust, which is why the left calls it just.

What they do is immoral, and has failed miserably.

If this stuff “worked.”
saffuna/Bartle would be waltzing on to the RogoFf page, “proud” and “strong.”

He'd be walking us through the great educational boom.

The “ebony” economic boom.

All the poverty he's eliminated.

Why are liberals dishonest? Basically, what it boils down to, is political liberalism as a philosophy is all about standing up for the downtrodden, and fighting the oppressor.>

With the caveat, you're talking about a powerless, non-profit, liberal like your sister.

When it comes to the political class, power/profit motives come into play.

You know what they say.
"Fascists of a feather..."

<-don't blame the crimes committed by the <guy in Germany with the little mustache> on liberals.>

I didnt.
The "Great Society" is all yours!
Your death camps are more "free-range."

<He was just trying to Make Germany Great Again.>

So is there something wrong with working for <justice>?>

Well, first of all, thanks <BP> for your rejoinder <Try not to be a perfect idiot, would you?>. I am trying to be nice, so I didn't want to say something like that.

Now, about the question - I never condemned working for justice!

In the USA we have a document, The Constitution of The United States of America.

This is our ideal of justice.

Now, as an homage to Ozzy Osbourne, I am going to say the problem occurs when folks are "going off the rails of the crazy train", and trying to change our nation without the guidelines of our Constitution.

When you ignore the Constitution, and give the decision-making about what is justice to a particular group, then you end up with the "You can pee next to me" demographic of my Democratic Party.

So the very clever and wise founding fathers gave us a code of laws and rights. With a process for changing that code, which is neither onerous nor easy. The purpose is to prevent the SJWs from hijacking true justice for their own means.

Part of the vociferous objections to Hillary and Obama that I see coming from the Political Right are rooted in the idea that, hey you can't just decide what is just. We have a process here. Stick to it!

Well, first of all, thanks <BP> for your rejoinder <Try not to be a perfect idiot, would you?>. I am trying to be nice, so I didn't want to say something like that>

You gotta do better than that gsm. Your comment doesn't rise to the level of warranting a serious reply. Flushing turds down the toilet is only fun for so long and no more.

<: Well, I haven't watched the facebook video of the former KGB spy, but I did think on a question you asked a week or two ago, in Rogoff.>

<Justice = eradicating leftism in America>

How's this for a slogan: "The liberals are our misfortune."

Heh.

Uh, you really have me confused with someone else.

<morfishine> or <diceman> or <TheFocus> or <Bobsterman3000> maybe. *They* complain about "liberals" all the time. <diceman> calls me a liberal.

I posted my thoughts on liberalism in this forum <in response to a question I was asked>.

<BP> I thought you were talking about your average liberal on the street. I think most of them sincerely believe that their liberalism evolves from a desire for "fairness".

For the first time in my life it was a tough decision. In the end, it was a combination of the crotch-grabbing, and his dismissive attitude about AGW.