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May-07-09
 | | chancho: <PinnedPiece: The simple truth is, the story behind this book is not proved or disproved by this anecdotal info: That it is available, ok, fine.> I agree. it's not real evidence, but it seems to me that it's quite normal to have these beasts in some of the hotels at Sousse Tunisia. A quick read however of that Einarsson e-mail is more than sufficient for moi in the solid evidence department. |
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May-07-09
| | chancho: <"Ed Trice: Not only is that old news,(Fischer's illness) He is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessInfo@aol.com and I will help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on him.">> The above Trice post was on chessgames.com before it was deleted. Labate saved it on his site. (as well as the legallyownlandonM**s page where Trice insults Labate and other chessgames.com posters before Trice deleted it) This part is strange: <For all serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessInfo@aol.com and I will help move this along. <<NOTE: I don't have the book, I don't have access to the book,>> I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on him."> If he does not have any access to the book, why then the instructions on how to order the book, "offering to help move things along", and posting his e-mail address for inquiries about said book? Why not post the "man's" e-mail address, rather than his own? And the above post was written before the Ebay auction that went south and in which Trice ended up calling Labate a scammer. |
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May-08-09
 | | IMlday: <chancho> Ok, say you are a forger and you want people to think you're Bobby Fischer.
You've found out that the hotel had a donkey. Try to compose a few sentences about it. After a while ask yourself if it wouldn't be a whole lot easier to leave out the donkey entirely? How does including it help your purpose? |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: <IMLday: To be valuable facts should be sourced>
Then where is your credible source that Fischer wrote the book? Oh wait, there is none... <The forgery theory is interesting but something else.>
The book is a forgery until proven otherwise. The facts are that no publisher will ever anonymously publish such an important book, that no one holds the copyrights, that Fischer didn't say a word about it, etc, and all this forces YOU, as a book advocate to prove its authenticity. Also the facts show that you held the opinion that the book is real before you supposedly bought it so your opinion is biased and unworthy of mention. And one more thing - when a consensus is being reached, and in this case it was, it is ALWAYS the responsibility of the small minority to prove the authenticity of their claims. Take an example where the minority is actually right - Copernicus had to prove the sun is in the middle of the solar system using mathematical reasoning, he didn't just say "I am a international master astronomer and my opinion is ...". Please prove that Fischer wrote the book or declare your in-ability to do so. <My opinion is still that Fischer wrote the manuscript. Maybe I'm wrong.>
Not maybe, surely!
<If not Fischer, then who? and why? Forgery is a crime. To prove it you will need three things: motive, means and opportunity. >
Who? Ed Trice, plain and simple. Why? To scam people and earn $$$. Means? Ed Trice has all the means: he is a computer veteran, he is a scam artist and he was interested in Fischer's life just prior to the appearance of the book. Opportunity? Trice was in Iceland just prior to the appearance of the book, he tried to meet Fischer, he contacted some of Fischer's friends to acquire original photos and signatures which APPEARED IN THE BOOK, he tried to contact several book stores and distributors to buy it, and he also bothered to promote the books via forums and websites, some of which he created himself. Not to follow the logic of the involvement of Ed Trice is absurd and it usually imply that one is a sock-puppet. I think that there are two options, either you are a sock-puppet or you just don't posses logical skills ("Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump). <and I verify it is authentic.>
That is with all your credibility as an impartial observer of course (cynical). It would cost you much less than 200$ to scan the book and upload it as pdf, no one holds the copyrights, you yourself said that the woman responsible for sales <has retired from the game wishing she had never been exposed to the "chess community" in the first place>, so instead of BS our brain in useless opinions, why don't you do something useful and let people, perhaps better equipped then yourself to judge for themselves? It takes about two or three hours, in a month it is much less than your contribution to this site, so it would just make sense. In other words: scan the book or get lost, your opinion is worthless (you can be an IM, a GM or a WC for all i care) if you quote from a source you alone have the exclusive access. |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: Anybody seen the movie Challenging? It shows the length people would go to not being forced to admit a mistake. Great movie and a tragic story. |
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| May-08-09 | | Jim Bartle: Listen, MrMelad, I saw Challenging, and it was lousy, and I'm not wrong! |
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| May-08-09 | | robmtchl: Mr. Day,
Kindly posy the link to the newspaper where it may be read. When I contacted the paper they said no review existed. Perhaps it is a paper unable to produce an online presence?In the meantime I must advise you that persons much more aware of the facts than yourself have decried this work a fraud. I would advise you that to salvage your reputation that you follow reason rather than fantasy. |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: <Jim Bartle> :) Lousy? Have you seen a better one lately? Clint Eastwood can make anyone cry - see million dollar baby for proof. Maybe you don't like to cry... Besides you are on the minority side, the movie has 8.1 IMDB score hence it is good and popular and even great like I suggested :-) |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: <IMlday> To help show you that your time is not spent correctly, I have come up with a formula for your time-spending in this website. According to your profile, you have posted
1656 messages in a time period of about 62 months. Assuming 10 minutes per post, you have spent 16560 minutes in about 1875 days, meaning - approximately 8.8 minutes per day. If you spend exactly half of it every day in the following month to scan the book, you will have 4.4 * 30 = 132 minutes, which is more than enough to scan a 700 page book according to the lemma. lemma: taking 20 seconds to scan 2 pages, a 700 page book will be scanned at about 350*20 seconds, or about 116 minutes. So my conclusion is if you think it will take you more than 116 minutes to argue your case in the coming months, maybe it would be more logical to scan the book instead. |
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| May-08-09 | | Jim Bartle: MrMelad: I'm right and you're wrong. Because I am never wrong. IMDB score? Hah! I have better taste than all the IMDB voters put together. (MrM, I was just trying to write a post which illustrated your point that some people will not admit they're wrong.) And MrM, please do not analyze how much time I have spent writing chessgames posts. It would be a shock to my system. |
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| May-08-09 | | robmtchl: Kindly post the link to the newspaper where it may be read. When I contacted the paper(The Tronto Star) they said no review existed. Perhaps it is a paper unable to produce an online presence?
In the meantime I must advise you that persons much more aware of the facts than yourself have decried this work a fraud. I would advise you that to salvage your reputation that you follow reason rather than fantasy. |
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| May-08-09 | | Jim Bartle: MrM: I became interested in your comment and looked up the movie. I assume you're referring to the movie "Changeling." Sounds kind of similar to "Chinatown" and "LA Confidential," though set a little earlier. |
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| May-08-09 | | robmtchl: <chancho:> <<"Ed Trice: Not only is that old news,(Fischer's illness) He is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessInfo@aol.com and I will help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on him.">> <The above Trice post was on chessgames.com before it was deleted. Labate saved it on his site. (as well as the legallyownlandonM**s page where Trice insults Labate and other chessgames.com posters before Trice deleted it)> Actually I reported Legally own land on m**s to the FBI and local police in Tennessee as well as PA. They had the site removed! :-) Trice didn't remove it himself. The ISP yanked it. |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: <Jim> Allow me to retract my previous statement. In the analysis I have performed on the data I obtained from IMDB I didn't take into account that your taste was not in accordance with the movie, and it has come to my attention that you are indeed, the supreme being. And with such strong evidence I am forced to admit to have committed to an erroneous method in evaluating the majority of people with precedence over the supreme being. Furthermore I am forced to conclude that the movie is lousy as you say and I will make my best efforts never to enjoy any movie again due to the obvious contradiction of my taste with the supreme being. |
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| May-08-09 | | MrMelad: Yes I ment Changeling... I guess the joke is on me :) |
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May-08-09
| | chancho: <robmtchl>
Thanks for that. |
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| May-08-09 | | Jim Bartle: OK, MrM, now that you've got things straight.
Actually it sounds like an interesting movie. I really liked "LA Confidential" and "Chinatown" is one of my all-time favorites, so I like these sort of movies, looking into the world of corruption in American cities. |
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May-08-09
| | chancho: There's an e-mail in Labate's site where Trice says he was paid for doing his part in the book and then he's no longer involved in it.
Isn't it odd for someone who gets paid for doing a project, is let go, to then go about offering their e-mail address to help hook people up with a project they are no longer a part of? What is there to gain? |
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| May-08-09 | | GeauxCool: Yet another positive correlation.
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GOTHICINVENTOR:
<...Fischer <has many "minions"> to do his bidding.> ---
EBAY SELLER: <t is tough to know about Mr.
Fischer <since he has many "minions"> that contact the outside world for
him...the books are sitting in my basement. <My husband>
advised me to get rid of them.> |
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| May-08-09 | | GeauxCool: Timeline - Ed Trice tries to shorten the timeline. Why do such a thing if in direct communication with Bobby about this book? - <YouTube Video - last week received a phone call from Bobby for a project>... <GothicInventor: Note that he claims he had access to some "secret information" about this subterranean book venture since August of 2007. That's an amazing claim that predates even my public hinting that I heard something as well. <It wasn't until October 2007> that I was "in the know." This has been documented by inference both on <YouTube> and via the "Roger Maris" hint I dropped on the ChessGames.com discussion board.<contact: cpurdy@bookmasters.com and verify for yourself if <Ed Trice contacted Cathy Purdy of Bookmasters last July/August 2007 to qet a quote> for 'My 61 Memorable Games'-----------------
- Bowling Chums -
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<jessicafischerqueen>: Aha! This does not answer the non-paradoxical paradoxical question, however.Here is the answer.
In <Bobby Fischer Goes to War>, Fischer is quoted as revealing that he bowls, but has no interest in the game itself. He bowled solely to get physical stamina in order to play chess better. Or so he said, anyhow.
<Aug-12-07
<Ed Trice>: <jessicafischerqueen> <I emailed him.> He said something about only averaging in the 130's during his World Championship match with Spassky in 1972.>> > > > |
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| May-08-09 | | GeauxCool: LAST BIT -
Bobby said he didn't write the book and apparently Ed Trice agreed with him. <GothicInventor: Now his "revenge" was this whole "book thing" that he fabricated.> http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_... |
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| May-08-09 | | MageOfMaple: Trice's contradictions are everywhere. Whatever helps make the point he's trying to sell at that moment. And, when he's caught with something inconvenient, just says that a message has been 'spoofed.' But we really are beating a dead horse here. Trice is guilty as hell of many things and his repeated contradictions and changing story show consciousness of guilt. And, of course, the court cases... Sued by the Gothic Chess Association for slander/libel - settled out of court. Sued by Harac Consulting, LLC, $25,000 judgement against Trice. Sued by Ed Labate, a $1,200,000 judgement against Trice. I need to write to the Toronto Star also. It just doesn't make sense that Day is going out of his way to defend this obvious crime. If it's true what Rob has been told, that no such article was published, that would make it pretty clear what's going on. Toronto Star is online, and I can search their articles, and a "Fischer" search does bring up an article about his death, but no M61MG review. But, just because some of it is online, we can't conclude that everything is. |
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May-09-09
| | IMlday: It is not on the web for free at the Star site. Why you would want to buy a copy when there is already one here I don't understand, but I'm fine with the idea of you putting out some money to make sure I'm not making it all up.
from wiki:
"Torstar Syndication Services - On-line Archives has two main archive products: digitized page image archives, and text archives. Pages of the Past is a fully searchable, web-based archive that includes every page, including photos, ads and classified, of every issue of the Toronto Star, back to 1894. Pages of the Past is also available to corporate, government, institutional and library markets, and is available to consumers." |
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| May-09-09 | | MageOfMaple: What date was is published? |
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May-09-09
| | chancho: List of Toronto Star columnists:
http://www.thestar.com/comment/colu...
There's a Rob Mitchell in there. :-) |
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