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| Apr-15-09 | | MageOfMaple: <Chess 960> is exactly <Fischer Random Chess>. It is called Chess 960 by some people, in my opinion, for political reasons becase of a strong dislike for Fischer. |
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Apr-15-09
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I know... I was making a joke.
But the serious part of my joke is the same point you just made. I've always found it irritating, gusting up to infuriating, that people keep trying to rip off <Bobby>. He also invented a new kind of chess clock!
But is it called a <Fischer Clock>?? It's probably called a <960 Clock>. |
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Apr-15-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Hmm actually it might be called a <Fischer Clock>. I may have to resort to GOOGLE, although I don't like to do that as a rule. I find that the "facts" often get in the way of a totally irresponsible and inaccurate post. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | blacksburg: yeah, i have a so-called 960 clock, the <DGT-960>. no mention of Fischer. it's kind of annoying. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | MageOfMaple: Strangely enough, there is a book on Fischer Random by Reinhard Schnargl, but sadly it's only available in German. I personally consider FRC to be an improvement to the game of Chess, but then again, I'm not a serious player. |
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Apr-15-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Not me. I like the "historical record" aspect of the Traditional Chess. It's kind of like combining history and literature with the game- Making it a very, very special game.
Like the history of chess theory tells a story.
A story that we mortals could never hope to understand. <Bobby> was a chess God, of course- that's just a fact as far as I'm concerned. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | parisattack: <MageOfMaple: Strangely enough, there is a book on Fischer Random by Reinhard Schnargl, but sadly it's only available in German. I personally consider FRC to be an improvement to the game of Chess, but then again, I'm not a serious player.> In English there is Gligoric's - Shall We Play Fischer Random Chess? |
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Apr-15-09
 | | chancho: From Labate's website:
<From: GothicChessInfo@aol.com
To: labatechess@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: ...therefore...I'll relist it after this weekend.> <Fischer doesn't remember signing that book.> <<<<He told me in person. >>> From the Lawrence Day page:
Mar-20-09
<Ed Trice: More details of the chronology of my involvement with Ed Labate is shown here:> <http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_...; <<<<You can read through it from start to finish. You can see he was pissed off because I did not pay him $5,000 for his book, <<<which I was told by Gardar Sverensson>>> was not authentic.> <That was a good enough reason for me not to buy it.> <I told Labate this privately, and he blew a gasket.> <I didn't put on my website "Look, Labate is selling a book that Fischer claims he never put a date next to his signature."> <Labate is feeling the heat now. Wait till you see the video I upload next.> Can anyone spot the lie? |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Riverbeast: <I think (Trice) wants to be recognized and praised as brilliant> Good luck with that.....
<JessicaFischerQueen> I know you are a fellow Canadian, and I'm sure your motivation was to be gracious when you said what an 'honor' it was to have <IMLDay> in your forum....But I don't see the point of kissing the tail of people who are so BLIND, they ask questions like "what does it matter if the book is fake or not?" The man either has seriously skewed mental capacities, or he has an interest in the book....To me it's becoming clearer and clearer with every one of his posts, that it's either one or the other. |
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Apr-15-09
 | | chancho: This one I find hilarious:
< March- 24-09>
<Ed Trice: I accidentally raised my rating 116 points after my last tournament, checkmating Al Pearson in 27, Rob Colanzi in 18, and ending Eric Guo's 200 point rating jump.> <I thought I'd be at exactly 1399 but I forgot about how bonus points are added!> <Mar-24-09>
<talisman: Ed...don't throw the game!. you don't want to be Shoeless Ed Trice. Kennesaw Mountain Kirsan might be there. Remember 1919! Remember the black sox! Remember the Maine!> <Mar-24-09>
<Ed Trice: I didn't have to throw it, I was playing Vinko Rutar.> I checked this tournament on the USCF site out of curiousity, and yes, Vinko Rutar was playing in the tournament, (went undefeated) but he was never paired to play Trice. So this is Trice lying again. If there was a section for lying in the Guinesss book of World records, methinks he could be a shoo in to break that record many times over. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | GeauxCool: This?
<Hello Einar,
About the photos you sent me: That was sometime in September, and my hard drive crashed in October. > |
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| Apr-15-09 | | GeauxCool: <chancho> I see the one you wanted: Gaddar, not Fischer. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | robmtchl: A letter from Mr. Labate to Mr.Day:
<From Larry Evans:
"Edward, Bobby was a high school dropout, with poor grades before he dropped out. He had no interest in education, the arts, anything. He didn't get smarter as he got older, only meaner, which I would like to believe could be attributed to his mental illness. Only chess and anti-Jewish literature is what interested him. He also didn't write stuff down. He would make short notes in books or magazines, but never pen to blank paper. He dictated My 60 Memorable Games to me. I would type it up, and then he would look at what I typed. He would make notes on the typed pages I gave him to look at, and then returned them. But now, he completely rewrote his book, on his own, and in a timely manner, and no one in Iceland knew anything about it? And don't forget, he went straight from the Japanese Jail to Iceland, with nothing more than the clothes he was wearing. Sorry, didn't happen."From Anthony Saidy:
"Certainly not, Ed. But what is "IMIday" and what is 724p. long?" From Jeremy Silman:
"The language is so NOT Bobby! Fischer tends to speak and write in bursts ... And he never uses words like “feigned” or many others used in this made up pile of @#$%. The real Fischer always sounds like a child — he was uneducated and uncouth but still exuded a certain innocence that endeared him to people. What a pathetic joke.
Jeremy Silman"
and another response From Jeremy Silman (to Bruce Towell):
"I don’t know who you are, nor why you sent me this garbage. Suffice it to say that I knew Bobby, and am very familiar with his writing style and mental illness. The following, which is supposed to be in the book, is so far removed from how Bobby wrote and how he saw the world that it’s laughable: "...I notified them that I would be leaving for Tunis. This agitated them even more than the initial withdrawal. I was approached by everyone and their brother now, so it seemed. I feigned disgust over this ordeal, but inwardly they fed my need for something I had not recognized inside myself. After causing the prior set of turbulence, the strange sense of euphoria that I would experience after a crushing victory became attached to me without any of the turmoil of the struggle. The "fuss" became a mild form of "high", but, at the time, I did not recognize what this 'process' was, nor did I even have a faint understanding of it.
"So I let them buzz around me, doing my best not to betray my inner smirks, instead presenting them with deadpan expressions and nonchalent shakes of my head when I grew tired of saying "No." Recall previously I mentioned that I could not 'clear my head' --- well, now, this perpetual 'fawning' over me was almost therapeutic, and it actually made me feel relaxed and almost calm. The incessant static noise was gone, and it was as if a burden had been lifted.” BTW: “inner smirk?” What a joke! This was written by a pompous fool who felt he could write, but in reality embarrassed himself every time he put pen to paper. I don’t know if it was Trice or someone else ... I don’t know these people at all. But I believed this book was fake from the start but admitted that I had no proof (just my opinion). However, the lines above offer definitive proof that Fischer didn’t write the book. You better accept that this is all a badly designed scam and have done with it. Jeremy Silman"
<Lawrence, I'm sure you didn't mean any harm, but I'm quite shocked at how your research could have led you to this conclusion. Last March, after GM Larry Evans had a chance to see PDF pages of this 'book', said Bobby was PROFANE, not PROFOUND. My 60 Memorable Games took six on again/off again years to write, with the aid of Larry Evans typing up everything. But now, a 62 year old man, clearly overweight, with terminal kidney problems, failing health, and after publicly proclaiming that ‘the old chess is dead. Rotten to the core.” produces TWICE the book, in ONE THIRD the time…and not in his beloved English Descriptive Notation, but in the much hated Algebraic notation. To quote Larry Evans, “Sorry, didn't happen."> > |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Riverbeast: The above posts are exactly what I'm talking about.... And <IMLDay> talks about "the Fischer WE knew" I never knew Fischer personally, but it was clear to me from what I did know, that he could not have written, spoken, or even thought the kind of wordy drivel in '61MG'. <Day> claims to have met Fischer, but he probably just saw him from a distance... in a tournament or an olympiad somewhere. At any rate, he couldn't have known him THAT well, if he was fooled by this Fischer may not have completed a lot of schooling, but he was self- educated, and highly intelligent. The crap in '61MG' is the typical prose (I've seen it hundreds of times before) of someone TRYING to sound smart...And failing miserably |
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Apr-15-09
 | | chancho: IM Day had already made up his mind about Fischer being the author at least three weeks before he received his book. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | MageOfMaple: Here's a fun one ... On his linked-in page, it says, as Chief Technical Officer for the Gothic Chess Federation, he: <Built an online website to play the game. Hired and trained the Java and PHP staff to support it. Built the company data center. Created the disaster recovery plan.> But on the Gothic Chess Federation website (gothicchess.com), it says: <There is no graphical user interface with this Gothic Chess server, but it will be improved by a knowledgeable programmer and not the flake we had last time.> Classic. Boy, you sure don't have to dig very deep to find a contradiction (or a heinous load of BS.) Oh well. That's what we've come to expect from Ed "I'd Scam a 3rd Grader Out Of His Lunch Money But The Little Bastards Keep Out-Smarting Me" Trice. |
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Apr-15-09
 | | chancho: I wonder how much it cost to pose with this tall chick: http://www.tjmpo.com/images/photos/...
http://javiercostas.com/fotos450/su...
http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content... http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/h... http://www.liveleantoday.com/images... |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Jim Bartle: You mean the Gothic Chess tournament director? |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Tessie Tura: <"Edward, Bobby was a high school dropout, with poor grades before he dropped out. He had no interest in education, the arts, anything. He didn't get smarter as he got older, only meaner, which I would like to believe could be attributed to his mental illness."> < Last March, after GM Larry Evans had a chance to see PDF pages of this 'book', said Bobby was PROFANE, not PROFOUND.> Odd. From what I've seen, the book is hardly 'profound.' Evans' other comments related to the first book are relevant and to the point, but I don't understand what Fischer's "meanness" has to do with the matter, or even his lack of couth. If I'm reading these remarks correctly, Evans seems be saying that the book must be fake because Fischer was too crude and ignorant to write this beautiful prose??? On the basis of the excerpts with which we've been provided, I'd say a high school dropout with a thesaurus handy could have produced them, not that I think Fischer did. (And if you are determined to believe that he could have written it, there's no reason not to speculate that he could have received help from some mysterious party who hasn't come forward yet, or dictated the book to someone who was taking it down as Evans did.) |
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| Apr-15-09 | | PinnedPiece: All reviews in the "Letter to IMLDay" from Labbate have a resounding ring of authority and authenticity. Larry Evans' info is *particularly* revealing. One by one, any evidence suggesting Fischer was involved in M61MG is being smashed into unrecognizable bits. The question is, was this truly a one-man show? That's hard to believe. Nevertheless, as evidence accumulates of shoddy work, it becomes more and more likely. Still...
The FINAL NAIL in the coffin will come (if this is possible) by someone showing that all/most new suggested lines *really are* the suggested best lines by Fritz 9 (or the extant version of some other chess engine program released around June, 2007) and no human brilliance is in evidence in the analysis (other than programmer of the chess engine). I think its time for a concerned citizen to volunteer a copy for the internet. IMlDay has offered his for copying ("mimeographing") but that was for a seminar.... . |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Jim Bartle: "...a high school dropout with a thesaurus..."
Now there's an image which sends chills up my spine. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | MageOfMaple: Someone said, since there is no copyright, it would be fine to scan it and put it up somewhere for download. I'm not sure this is true. Even if M61MG has no copyright, M60MG does, and, being as it was just re-printed, I don't think the publisher would appreciate this being circulated. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | PinnedPiece: <MageofMaple: I don't think the publisher would appreciate this being circulated.> The publisher/copyright holder stands to gain immense publicity by having the book publicly analyzed, debunked and refuted as a fraud. In fact the copyright holder would make money even by giving lots away in the form of research honorariums. Nothing would make the original more valuable than a disrobed fraud. To quote <ET> there's no such thing as bad publicity. The copyright holder should get investigative "journalists" (if such a species still exists) like 60 minutes involved. .
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| Apr-15-09 | | Riverbeast: Some other things I learned at the Fischer symposium, which are somewhat relevant to the discussion. A fellow spoke who was an amateur chessplayer, a contemporary of Fischer, and who made his living in banking. He said from his conversations with Fischer it was clear that he had a rare intelligence about certain matters unrelated to chess... He said he heard an interview of Fischer talking about why it was better to invest in the Swiss franc rather than the US dollar, due to the exchange rate and other things....And this career banker said Fischer's analysis of the currency situation was as sharp and 'on point' as any he had heard from people who had devoted their life to studying finance. The point is, Fischer was self-educated, and reached a high level of understanding when it came to things he WANTED to learn about...That went for languages also...apparently he taught himself a working knowledge (some say he was fluent) in Spanish and Russian. So this is why I'm not sure about Evans' comment that he 'had no interest in education'....Unless Evans meant 'formal education' Also, Frank Brady exhibited (along with other memorabilia) a handwritten page of Fischer's from his own attempt to write 'My 60 Memorable Games' It was writren in Fischer's usual childish script, and it was only one page....Brady said Fischer wasn't able to complete the writing himself (probably why he had Evans do it). But his handwritten comments were as concise as those in the final product....Which is why I'm pretty sure that even though Evans wrote the book, he wrote it in Fischer's own words. Knowing Fischer (and other stories about him), he probably wouldn't have had it any other way |
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Apr-15-09
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<Petrosian said that Gligoric called him from Belgrade during the negotiations for the candidates final match between Fischer and Petrosian and asked him if he wanted to speak with Fischer. Petrosian said:> <"How could we manage? I am not a good english speaker and his Russian is hardly good enough for a serious talk." "No problem said Gligoric, I shall be your mediator and interpreter."> source Petrosian's Legacy pg 113. |
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