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| Apr-15-09 | | MageOfMaple: <PinnedPiece: To quote <ET> there's no such thing as bad publicity.> Hogwash. Tell that to Rod Blagojevich, or Gary Condit, or Wen Ho Lee, or the Octo-mom, or ... I can't believe you're quoting Ed "Yes It Really Would Kill Me To Tell The Truth" Trice to support your point :) |
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Apr-15-09
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Apr-15-09
 | | Open Defence: if anyone should sue its those that have the rights to My 60 Memorable
Games |
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| Apr-15-09 | | Riverbeast: <Open Defense> I'm still curious why
Simon and Schuster won't reissue the original.
My copy is old, beat up, with loose pages and tape holding the binding together....I would love to buy a new one but it's out of print (and no way am I buying that other fraud - the Batsford edition) |
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Apr-15-09
| | chancho: <Riverbeast> Mine is all beat up as well. |
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| Apr-15-09 | | parisattack: The original 1969 '60 Games' in Hardback with dust jacket seems to fetch $150-$200 on eBay; the 1971 revised edition, slightly less. Fischer's 1959 Games of Chess in hardback with dustjacket has gotten very hard-to-find. |
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| Apr-16-09 | | Augalv: <some say he was fluent in Spanish and Russian.> Apparently not in Spanish. When Bobby visited Argentina in 1996 to promote Fisherandon Chess, he needed an interpreter. He did show good Spanish listening comprehension skills though. When his interpreter was translating one of Bobby's comments to the audience, he interrupted her and told her: "I didn't say that" (!) |
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| Apr-16-09 | | blacksburg: <I'm not sure this is true. Even if M61MG has no copyright, M60MG does, and, being as it was just re-printed, I don't think the publisher would appreciate this being circulated.> that's the point. there is no publisher. unless there's a secret publisher that doesn't want to be named. what kind of publisher refuses to admit publishing a book, and chooses not to copyright the material? |
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| Apr-16-09 | | MageOfMaple: I meant the publisher of "60" would not want it circulated. |
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| Apr-16-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <some say he was fluent in Spanish and Russian > I remember reading that the could speak fluent Spanish. I'm sure that he could read Russsian, as on a daily basis he was reading "Chess in the Soviet Union" even as kid. With spoken Russian, he was probably proficient. |
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| Apr-16-09 | | PinnedPiece: <....I would love to buy a new one but it's out of print (and no way am I buying that other fraud - the Batsford edition)> http://www.newinchess.com/My_60_Mem... <In contrast with the previous edition of this book, no alterations have been made to the text other than the conversion of moves into algebraic notation, making this an updated yet accurate reflection of the original book.> . |
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| Apr-16-09 | | Jim Bartle: Lots of people can more or less read and understand a language without being able to speak it well. |
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| Apr-16-09 | | Riverbeast: <In contrast with the previous edition of this book, no alterations have been made to the text other than the conversion of moves into algebraic notation, making this an updated yet accurate reflection of the original book.> I don't even want to buy this edition, just because of what Batsford did in their first version. They changed his analysis (even to the point of having Fischer suggesting illegal moves!)....It was only after Fischer and others raised a public outcry that they changed it back to the original. There's also a good chance Fischer never saw a dime from this edition. I know it probably sounds silly, but I'll keep my old beat up copy until Simon and Schuster reissues the original (and it should be in Fischer's descriptive notation!) |
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| Apr-17-09 | | GeauxCool: This is a copy.
<<<To: jinky_ong_2000@yahoo.com.ph>>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Ideas on pricing and quantities
Dear Mr. Fischer,
As you requested, I had contacted various book printing services and outlets that specialize in mass production of Perfect Bound books. I had solicited quotes for your upcoming release of "My 61 Memorable Games" with an intended December 1 release date. <"Mr. Fischer is quite a recluse, and I have earned his trust."
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games...;> jinky_ong, not the child, is the user-name of a Bobby Fischer impersonator that showed up on Chess related websites around 2006, and wrote about Gothic Chess Matches against Ed Trice. |
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| Apr-20-09 | | capatal: <Where on earth is the loquacious Ed Trice?> (Lounging at a judgement proof location perhaps?!)... Must we divide his possible haunts into squares and search them by helicopter to find/detain Trice and debrief him to... ... Receive Ed Trice's pithy reply to our simple questions about his involvement and remuneration in <The dubious Fischer M61MG book>, (along with the exclusive Bobby Fischer photo... <in-trusted to Ed Trice>... then promptly and surreptitiously used in <the dubious Fischer M61MG book>). <We are probably waiting for something that will never come - given Ed Trice's peculiar set of standards and values>. |
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| Apr-20-09 | | Jim Bartle: Does anybody have a link to the list of all the high school students who won college scholarships playing in Gothic Chess tournaments? (One that includes the names of the colleges they attended.) |
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| Apr-20-09 | | GeauxCool: <JB> Not Scholarships per se, but 'winners' Marshall Chess Club:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000417... A list of people and email addresses who played in a high stakes Gothic Chess tournament:
http://web.archive.org/web/19991007... Ed won this one, how sporting of him:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010202... Congratulations, Ed.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010405... |
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| Apr-20-09 | | GeauxCool: Conflict of interest:
May 29, 2008: <ray keene: <ed trice> any chance of sending me a review copy c/o the london times? the address is...>JULY 2006
GM Keene is sponsored by Gothic Chess
http://www.chessville.com/Headlines... |
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| Apr-20-09 | | GeauxCool: http://caissus.gmxhome.de/Partieen/...
i know...
way too many...
but i like to see...
dizzy dizzy dizzy...
:D |
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Apr-20-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: WhiteRook48: when asked to publish <My 61 Memorable Games> Fischer said, "Oh well, the world's coming to an end anyway." ??? |
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| Apr-20-09 | | GeauxCool: <JB> Thanks for looking at that link. Your opinion as writer and editor means a great deal. The similarity that I saw and noted on an earlier page also appears here: the overuse of unnecessary quotation marks and commas. <...as if he is the one who tricked me into "winning" his Queen for my Chancellor and pawn. I am, once again, forced to place my strongest pieces in passive positions on the back rank. Inspiration strikes as I see a way for White to "set a trap" by dangling the h-pawn as bait, but, in actuality, when the fireworks have fizzled, Black has better chances.> |
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| Apr-20-09 | | JonDSouzaEva: <GeauxCool> It wasn't Gothic Chess in 1999, it was Capablanca Chess. Trice started using his new starting position in 2000. Try finding any sort of human Gothic Chess tournament after this date... |
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| Apr-20-09 | | Jim Bartle: Good catch, GC.
Yes, the notes to Stoddard-Trice are amazingly similar to the text I've seen from M61MG. |
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| Apr-20-09 | | GeauxCool: <JDSE> ::shrugs:: Those were direct from the source's mouth. They were listed by Ed Trice to support claims of large-scale Gothic Chess tournaments on Red Hot Pawn - scroll about 4/5th of the way down to the bottom of the page.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/sho... Trice also provided a NYPOST link at the top of that page. I can't seem to keep the timeline straight from all these articles. What I wanted to do was to compare what he was posting in the discussion boards with what was supposed to be happening in Iceland at the time. The one thing that strikes me, is the email to jinky_ong_2000 which is posted at the Labate Chess Store. Does it make you wonder why he would need to show Dan Heisman the manuscript if this email correspondence was really taking place? <"jinky_ong_2000@yahoo.ph
Dear Bobby,
I received your historic manuscript, and I'd like to get it published. But first I'm going to show it to Dan Heisman. If he says it's OK, then I'll complete the job for you. Wish me luck! /trice disclaimer
//spoofed email"> |
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| Apr-21-09 | | JonDSouzaEva: <GeauxCool> I remember that thread on the redhotpawn site well because I was one of the protagonists (FatLady). As far as I know, a few pages earlier in that thread is where Trice first made the astonishing claims about number of participants in the annual Gothic Chess scholarship tournament (a tournament which never actually took place in that year or any other year):
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/sho... At the time, and indeed until just a few weeks ago, I believed that Trice was lying in order to make Gothic Chess seem like a well established, extremely popular game rather than an obscure chess variant played online by a dozen people around the world. However recently someone (Rob Mitchell?) pointed out that he probably had quite a few gullible schmucks forking out the massive entry fee for the 2007 scholarship tournament which, needless to say, didn't take place. In other words, this was quite possible another one of Trice's scams. |
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