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| Aug-12-18 | | zanzibar: <<TD> The discussions on this and other pages leads me to ask (with all due respect) "Who died and left you in charge?'> Daniel died, and at the moment, nobody's truly in charge. (Nature abhors a vacuum; small wonder so many (myself included) are trying to fill the void) * * * * *
Has <Sargon> managed to log into the admin account yet? If he did, then strike the 2nd clause. It really is a rather bizarre situation, as <Jimi> would say: <I said flotation is groovy, and easy,
even a jellyfish will agree to that,
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old jellyfish been floating around so long,
ain't got a bone in its jellyback>
https://youtu.be/YQ3EWmdEki8?t=255 |
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| Aug-12-18 | | rogge: Old-timers leaving, can't blame 'em... |
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| Aug-12-18 | | takchess: So whose keeping the dossier that Daniel kept on all repeat offenders ? ;) I have put on ignore any Troll who kept complaining about these mythical files. The ignore the user is a beautiful feature.
cheers, Jim |
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| Aug-12-18 | | zanzibar: <rogge> well, I drah of them knew <sneaky> very well. <Daniel> depended on them from the very beginning, in a large number of ways. As friends, and to provide him the needed feedback for improving the site. Without <Daniel> the site will never be the same, and that's hard to accept. They lost a friend, and maybe even a confidant. <Sargon> had a tremendous amount of good will in the immediate aftermath of <Daniel>'s death. There was a clear outpouring from the community, and it appeared almost everybody was offering to help. It was a mistake for <Sargon> to disappear during this critical period, as I think everybody would agree. It certainly squandered a measure of the good will all had towards him. Out of the vacuum, there was the inevitable chaos that accompanies uncertainty. The community needed a voice, both for comforting, and for direction. It also appears obvious that certain elements tried (and continue to try) to take advantage of a lack of leadership, and more importantly, of normal corrective measures wielded by <Daniel>. This meant that <Sargon>'s reentry had to involve a level of harshness (i.e. the "hammer") that probably cost him additional good will on the part of some members, even those who want to constructively contribute. It's not irredeemable, but it was unnecessary - given the clear willingness of almost all to help originally. But we need <Sargon> to provide some kind of updates on some kind of regular schedule, no matter what kind. Now, personally, I don't know exactly what is compelling members to announce their departure. How does that help <Daniel>'s vision for the site, or make <Sargon>'s job any easier? Even if you allow your premium membership to expire, <CG> allows you to continue on with a non-premium account - with most of the same features (most notably being posting and game viewing/searching). The site needs these people, maybe now more than ever. * * * * *
OK, maybe they don't like guys like me making long posts. And maybe they feel like this is as good as time as any to say "We've had a good run, folks - see ya in the next life". Or maybe it's a consequence of the uncertainty we all feel. After all, <Sargon> still hasn't returned with any discussion about the actual future of the site. I think the uncertainty is the most destructive aspect. (After all, if my posts are too long, the ignore button is still working.) |
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| Aug-12-18 | | thegoodanarchist: bye, <technical draw>! Bon voyagee an' all that. |
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| Aug-12-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < rogge: Old-timers leaving, can't blame 'em...> You've been around more than a decade. You stayin' or leavin'? |
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| Aug-12-18 | | nok: <It was a mistake for <Sargon> to disappear during this critical period, as I think everybody would agree.> That was addressed, I think, with <Oh, and, believe it or not, there have been more important things I've had to do>. |
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| Aug-12-18 | | jith1207: Good narrative, <Zanzibar>. I have been in these situations before, where something I took for granted didn't even respect my existence. It hurts you too hard, you long to find reason but you only think from your perspective without caring for other side or the situation. It's mainly the unwillingness or inability to accept the reality that life is not going to be the same as it used to be. So you try to restore that order, and long for those memories and blame whether the new behavior does anything or nothing, because the new isn't the same old, new doesn't give you comfort the way it used to be. Then, you get into a bad habit of finding faults in the new behavior, and try to argue and when you get no response at all it makes you feel even more desolate and not cared for. Then, even if the new behavior does anything for you, you only could compare with the old habits and reject the current order, try to revolt or accuse in vain, adding even more salt to the injury. Actually, such incidents in life showed me where I lack maturity to deal with change. Whether I accepted the change or still looked for the old comfortable order had a big impact on my life. So, I hope you could find that maturity you and others lack in dealing with the new order, rather than finding faults and narrating that you would have been cool if this or that had happened. |
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| Aug-12-18 | | Tiggler: <nok> Right . And dealing with verbose and/or obnoxious posters was not one of them. <zanzibar>:<(After all, if my posts are too long, the ignore button is still working.):> Don't tempt us. I already shortened this thread by 40% by putting half a dozen others on ignore. If uncertainty is your problem, that is for you to deal with, not the Admins. If you want to continue posting, keep it pithy, and don't tell what we already know. |
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| Aug-12-18 | | zanzibar: <Tiggler> you and I know it, but does <Sargon>? |
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| Aug-12-18 | | zanzibar: <Tiggler> oh, and any ideas how to keep old-timers from bailing? |
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| Aug-13-18 | | rogge: <thegoodanarchist: < rogge: Old-timers leaving, can't blame 'em...>
You've been around more than a decade. You stayin' or leavin'?> Why do you ask? I guess this <IQ 85 type> will stay around, for now. Sorry :) |
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| Aug-13-18 | | hoodrobin: The most important question is: who is the webmaster? The second question is: who is the owner? As a (premium) member I can wait about one month for those question being answered, then I will be very sad about the end of chessgames.com. I hope chessgames.com will survive. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | Caissanist: I expect the new admins will eventually sort out all the issues that need to be sorted out, but it will take a lot longer than a month. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | hoodrobin: <Caissanist> Well, I could wait, I have to wait, a bit more. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | thegoodanarchist: <zanzibar: <Tiggler> oh, and any ideas how to keep old-timers from bailing?> Stop trying to ban some of them.
This means you, <zanzy>, as well as <DWOB> and <CHC>. Also, everyone stop their flame wars right now.
No more personal attacks, no more threats to hit people with lead pipes, no more threats to "tap" people, no more "homo" accusations, etc. This is good advice, but you won't heed it, won't even see it, if you use "ignore" for petty vendettas instead of for it's intended purpose. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < rogge: <thegoodanarchist: < rogge: Old-timers leaving, can't blame 'em...> You've been around more than a decade. You stayin' or leavin'?> Why do you ask? I guess this <IQ 85 type> will stay around, for now. Sorry :)> I am fairly certain I never said you were "IQ 85". I think you have me confused with someone else.
As for the reason I asked? Well, it was in my post, preceding my question: < rogge: Old-timers leaving, can't blame 'em...> That's why I put it there - context, you know. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | takchess: It would be a horrible thing in cg went 404. I guess in the meantime .Ask not what cg can do for you but what you can do for cg to help keep it alive. This site was built on many people doing a lot of uncompensated work through the years. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < hoodrobin: The most important question is: who is the webmaster? The second question is: who is the owner?> Daniel was 70% owner, and left instructions regarding his ownership share of cg.com in a will. The will hasn't been found. I don't know these things to be true - they are only what I've gleaned from comments I've found on cg.com from Daniel's inner circle. |
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Aug-13-18
 | | Edwin Meijer: I really didn't want to bring this up out of respect for Daniel, but i just purchased a lifetime membership for $350. What if cg.com goes 404? |
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| Aug-13-18 | | Tiggler: It seems to me that the site is working pretty nicely overall. I guess the wanderers will return in due course. This thread, for example, is a place where technical issues used to be raised but there are almost none mentioned recently. |
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Aug-13-18
 | | Yorkshire Fog: <Technical Issues> Will a page be put up for Sinquefield Cup, and will there be live coverage? |
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| Aug-13-18 | | jith1207: I thought a copy of the Will of someone would be available with an Attorney or something like that. Is that not the case? A personal document can be lost after someone passed away, but I thought a Will would be available in official records, at least safely with confined authority. |
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| Aug-13-18 | | Tiggler: <Yorkshire Fog> Yes, it would be nice if that happened, but the big things here are the games archive, the player bios, the user comments on the games. All the complaints seem to be about the ephemera: the chat channels, and their spilling over into threads where they don't belong. Hardly a vital issue really. |
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Aug-13-18
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Edwin Miejer> I also have a lifetime membership. I can help here. If cg.com goes 404 this is what we can expect: -$350 US funds |
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