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| Apr-07-11 | | SugarDom: I wouldn't want this guy to be my boss. What a slave driver. :) |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: <chessgames.com> May I propose that the ignore function be a two-way street? Right now if I put some one on ignore I cannot read that person's posts but he can read mine. Thus he can comment on my posts and I would be none the wiser. So may I suggest that the person(s) on one's ignore list cannot read one's posts? As it is right now putting someone on ignore seems more like surrender and submission. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | hms123: <TD> That's an excellent idea. It would make it more difficult for trolls to engage in certain kinds of unpleasant behavior. It would also reduce the need for the <stalkee> to defend himself against false charges or other attacks. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | rogge: I think a stalker is capable of logging out. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | wordfunph: <TD> novelty move! your proposal is a win-win situation for CG admin and all.. <chessgames.com> i don't see any problem with <TD>'s idea. ...and peace will be in power! |
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| Apr-08-11 | | myschkin: . . .
That would give a member "semi-admin" rights* ... one could do some very silly things indeed. Plus this button should be renamed to <Nomore> instead of the old fashioned <Ignore>, no? *actively changing the visible content of the board for a third party (in this case the blocked person). |
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Apr-08-11
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <hms123: <TD> That's an excellent idea.> I think it's a very bad idea. This is because I'm pretty certain the huge majority of ignorings across the site have nothing to do with stalking and probably little to do even with personal fighting. In the huge majority of cases there is no history of mutual and disruptive animosity between the ignorer and the ignoree. Most people who encounter someone so obnoxious he's worthy of ignoring just ignore him up front; they don't go and start a bloody fistfight first and only then put him on ignore. (Which is just as well - bloody fistfights make even less sense on the Internet than they do in a random pub, reason being, you can't hurt the obnoxious guy and he can't hurt you.) In the huge majority of cases putting someone on ignore isn't like surrender and submission at all <because there's no fight involved for anyone to surrender or submit in.> (Even in the rest I don't think it's like that, but that's another matter entirely.) In any case, all this is academical as our admins are under a whole heap of things to do that are both more useful and much easier to implement. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | crazybird: <rogge: I think a stalker is capable of logging out.> Precisely. That's why such a two-way ignore (unless its IP address driven) will be ineffective in meeting <TD's> intended objective |
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Apr-08-11
 | | tpstar: <ignore feature> Back in 2005, when <hayton3> and <LIFE Master AJ> just would not stop bickering all across the site, it was proposed that the Administrators force both users onto each other's ignore list. This wasn't done as there are too many ways to get around it, so this intervention would only encourage duplicate accounts and other subterfuge. I would speculate that the site didn't want either poster to feel like they were being punished. Note the prevailing sentiment at the time was that their dispute lasted way too long before any Administrative action. In 2009, two users proposed that anyone involved in fighting be banned for a day as punishment. A noble idea on the surface, yet their plan was to tag team people they didn't like and eventually force them off the site entirely. I mention this here to illustrate unintended consequences, if not ulterior motives. The ideal solution is for everybody to follow the Posting Guidelines. Second, the ignore function should remain as is, and if you choose to ignore someone, don't tell anyone and don't discuss it. |
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Apr-08-11
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <myschkin: ...one could do some very silly things indeed.> So very true.
For example, let's say you really dislike me for some reason. You post something in my forum. Then you immediately put me on ignore, with the result I'll never realize that post is there. The post (or even a series of posts) could be anything. It could be a horrible insult. Even worse, it could be a polite question to which a speedy reply that wouldn't take all that long to write would be highly appreciated. You could ask, for example, for my help with some Owen Defense line. Obviously, I'll never give that help (or any other kind of response)... in other words, I'll look to all of CG like someone who can't spare a fellow kibitzer two minutes. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | hms123: I hate unintended consequences--there are always more of them than I realize. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: Now I get it. Yes, Switchy's example is pretty good. Ah, scratch my idea. (But give me a A for affort) |
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| Apr-08-11 | | Open Defence: you get an F for F-fort.... |
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Apr-08-11
 | | Domdaniel: I agree with, um, *everyone*.
During my little difficulty with Lennonfan, I too suggested that the Ignore feature was flawed, mainly because it allowed somebody to stalk you without your knowledge. I eventually had to resort to *being nice* to get rid of him -- a once-per-lifetime solution, I admit, and too much for some folk to swallow. But hey, whatever works. Meanwhile, wiser heads pointed out to me -- along the lines of what Brankat says -- the problems inherent in other versions of ignore. I still don't like to use it, because I'm not easily offended and I'm curious about what's going on. But, well, otherwise, yes. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | tedious person: <Domdaniel: I agree with, um, *everyone*.> I disagree. |
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Apr-08-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I don't think there's a problem with the current ignore function. To me, the main problem with the "lennon fan" war was similar to what <tpstar> was saying about the old <Hayden-Goldsby> dispute: It was left to go on too long before action was taken. That said, I do appreciate this site's dedication to free speech and giving people second, third, and in my case, fourth chances. Try posting at chess.com for example.
They don't allow the word "breast"- not kidding here. They just zap it.
Best regards,
JFQ |
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| Apr-08-11 | | YouRang: Re: Ignore feature going both ways.
I would just add that I purposely avoid using the ignore feature because it screws up paging and links to posts. Consequently, I would be very annoyed if someone else had the power to screw up my paging. ~~~~~~~~~~
BTW, I've suggested before that a preferable (IMO) way to ignore people would be to expand on the "favorites" feature: Currently, you can select a few users to be on your "favorites" list, and then all posts by those users will be highlighted with a background color of your choice. I think cg.com should allow us to define multiple lists, each with its own color. We could then do things like this: You could use one color just for yourself, so you can quickly see your own posts. (I would probably use gold because my posts are all of such high quality). You could use another color (say green) for favorites, and yet another (say gray) for people you generally ignore. Then, you can easily skip or skim over the gray posts and pay attention to the green ones. Best of all, the paging doesn't get messed up. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: I'm suing <tedious person> for copyright infringement. Of course he/she is banking on my fame, disguising his/her user name. They are using the subliminal sound "TD is" thus attracting readers to their posts. A user reads "tedious person"and thinks it has something to do with the "real" TD. Ha! I'm onto your little psycho tricks. A warning to all, "tedious person"has nothing to do with the famous TD. Note from the Law Firm, Dewey, Cheatem and Howe.. |
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Apr-08-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: My dear <TD>.
Not so! "tedious person" is a sock puppet account which was created solely because of a post <domdaniel> made a month ago, which ended... "no doubt some tedious person will disagree."
I would never.. oops I mean whoever made the sockpuppet would never try to make fun of <TD>. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: Aha! How quickly they confess when I mention Dewey , Cheatem and Howe. I knew it all along but I'm sure <Domdenial> had TD in mind when he said "tedious person". Admit it <Dom>. As for you <JFQ>, thanks for the info and try to find out who started this whole thing OK? |
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Apr-08-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <TD> LOL the odds are NIL that <dom> had you in mind. Use the search kibbutz to find his original post- I liked it so much I put it in the "Memorable Quotes" forum. Incidentally, I fear no legal reprisal, since I retain <hms123>. If you check the "ChessBookForum" you'll see that I recently got him to sue himself. That's how good a lawyer he is. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: <JFQ> The "tedious person" remark was used at the height of the caissar elections. It was coined to refer to those of us who were enthusiastic about the whole process and moved about looking for votes (campaigning). Some members thought that was taking things too far for a simple friendly contest. Since TD was one of the ardent campaigners it was a simple play on words to call the whole thing a TDous affair or that some TDous person would object to all the different formulas for changing the voting procedures. You see TD knows it all. |
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Apr-08-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <TD> that's untrue about <dom's> original post- you must read that in the context of the thread. It had to do with art, aesthetics, and the tedious, and predictable, nature of mainstream or bourgeois sensibilities. Seriously I can guarantee it had nothing whatsoever to do with you. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | technical draw: <It had to do with art, aesthetics, and the tedious, and predictable, nature of mainstream or bourgeois sensibilities.> Oh, ok, sorry. I always confuse that with me. Those darn bourgeois sensibilities. Carry on... |
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Apr-08-11
 | | Domdaniel: Jess is correct. I would never have said "No doubt some TD-ious person will disagree" because, well, it's so wildly improbable. Tedious persons, by contrast, do it all the time. Not to even mention this meta-tedious person. |
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