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Jun-24-07
 | | Domdaniel: That may well go the way of the invaginated foot.
Sounds rather like a medieval pilgrimage route, don't it? "Come to the ancient city of Dentata, and walk the hallowed Way of the invaginated Foot..." Bye, now. |
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Jun-24-07
| | Domdaniel: <Did this place ever make sense? > Yes, occasionally. But we're all prone to bouts of wisteria. |
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| Jun-24-07 | | achieve: Or wistful thinking.. |
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Jun-24-07
| | Domdaniel: I wist what you mean, Sir, if thou'll pardon my lapsing into archaic English -- 'tis a truth infrequently acknowledged that 'tis no more obscure than the other kind. Indeed, There be some here that are veritably full of Wist. But as for the Venue itself:-- <When you wilt, it won't...> |
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Jun-24-07
| | Domdaniel: <mack> Have watched <Moore's Melody> as instructed... I think there are subliminals in there... time to go take a paranoia reading on my trusty paranometer... "Not me" said the journalist,
"I wouldn't know how to use a fist
You say I got a poison pen
But ethics is beyond my ken"... |
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| Jun-24-07 | | achieve: <But as for the Venue itself:-- <When you wilt, it won't...>> Very nice! Although "when I wilt, the venue won't.." sets me on a path that "If I wilt, the venue won't" means that the venue is always one...
Sorry Dom, I got stuck mid-sentence - doubt krept in. I need more time.. |
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| Jun-24-07 | | achieve: 2nd try: "If you wilt, the venue won't" is hinting towards semantic holism? |
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Jun-24-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <semantic holism>?
Is that something to do with <Christmas>? |
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| Jun-25-07 | | achieve: <Jess> !!!
As I see it, baby Jesus, i.e. Christianity, might be THE prime example to illustrate semantic holism -- for it (sem. Holism), offers a concept, effectively explaining the succes and failure of religion in general, in a most complex, (and then a simplified), way.. [<<semantic holism>? Is that something to do with <Christmas>?> ] Genius! (I'm not kidding)
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| Jun-25-07 | | achieve: After a quick search after my previous post, I found this interesting view, confirming, in part, <Jess>'s observation and my reaction -- From http://www.ecotao.com/holism/3_RELI... <All the ingredients for the discovery of holism were percolating in the minds of natural theologians. However, by the time Darwin published his theories on evolution, reductionist "modern" science, (by which I mean the tradition of reducing all things to smaller parts for study), had such a cold and detached hold on the minds of scientists, that there was no chance of holistic thinking. Dennett (1995) disclaims the seriousness any such trends, claiming that "According to the preposterous readings, reductionists want to abandon the principles, theories, vocabulary, laws of the higher-level sciences, in favour of the lower-level terms." However, for an ecologist the destruction of ecosystems is evidence that humanity is reductionist by nature. People saw nature as a utility and were unable to comprehend the necessity to allow the maintenance of natural systems and the laws that apply to these systems. Throughout our history, we have had a fairly destructive impact upon ecosystems, acting as predators upon every usable or edible life from (Kingdon, 1993). Humanities' shift away from this reductionist approach is only effectively emerging onto a new paradigm at the end of the twentieth century! We are returning, with the maturity of hard-earned experience and science, to the holistic views of the early natural theologians, so that observations of the eighteenth century again have some meaning and we can see: "that perfect order and just subordination of all the several parts of nature, by which they are rendered mutually subservient to the conservation of each other, and of the whole" (Pulteney, 1781 in Worster, 1994).> |
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Jun-25-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Niels> Wow!
Who knew?
This is like the time I accidentally got the right answer to <MannBee's> number puzzle even though he put the wrong numbers in!! |
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Jun-25-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: That's the WHOLE story on WHOLIDAY WHOLISM right there in nice red type!! |
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Jun-25-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <At the Movies With ME> Ok Review of <Tourista> <Josh Dingus'> acting = CRAP <Portuguese Rap Music> = CRAP <Action scenes where you can't tell who is doing what to who> = CRAP <Acting so bad that you start cheering for the torturers even before they come in to the story> = CRAP <Only Good Part>: Useful information on <Brazil>!! If you go to <Brazil>, they kill you and sell your organs. WHO KNEW?
<Bottom Line> Rent this <Wilson> you will love it!! Not a waste of money. Trust me.
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| Jun-25-07 | | achieve: <jessicafischerqueen: That's the WHOLE story on WHOLIDAY WHOLISM right there in nice red type!!> It's even better than that.. John 1:1 says it all. Semantic holism? And countless experts arguing stating that they have the definitive truth etc. etc. (ho logos was "a" god or "The" God) And I'm not even an "expert".
Thank (a) God.
(language...)
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Jun-25-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: In the beginning there was the <Bird>, and the <Bird> was God? As in the great <Henry Bird> and his weird opening? You sure learn a lot in this forum!!
Jessica Whole in the Head |
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| Jun-25-07 | | achieve: No it's "a" bird.. Or A Bird, which stems from Alexander the Beard, but after someone ripped out his soul by shaving it off, Moses came along and started to rule the world from sea to shining sea.. He used a magic stick but that was just for the media, his real power stemmed from years of hard excercise in Egypt. That is undisputed.. But from that point on experts have been going at each other with all kinds of pseudo intellectual arguments, is what I've read. Niels of the bit tired |
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Jun-25-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Heh <Moses> went to the Gym like <Bill> does. If you're tired, have a nap! Is <Lars> tired? <Bonehead> just jumped on me, but he was only going from the window sill to the floor heading straight for the cat bowl, the greedy little beggar. |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <Niels> This <semantic holism> is truly deep. As a mere (lapsed) Paradoxical Hedonist ("Pleasure takes all the pleasure out of pleasure") I can see that I've got a long way to go... One small admission. I stole "When you wilt, it won't" from an old advert. For a rubber tyre, maybe, I'm not sure. With an image of somebody sagging (ie, wilting) in the heat while the Almighty Product, whatever it was, kept on going. Energizer galoshes? Electric rubberwear? An orificeless foot? Who knows? |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <Ethics is beyond my Ken> -- Mrs Livingstone's rueful comment on the mayor of London? Or perhaps just "Ethics? No Thir, I'm from Thuthex..." |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: "He thought of the Rocket as a Baby Jesus, with a whole Committee of Herods out to routinize it in infancy..." ♘ |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <The Venue> "Venue see the Light, wilt!" If it hadn't been for those Californians and their Pacific-coast obsessions, we could have a quite different set of cyber metaphors. A 'venue' instead of a website. 'Pottering' instead of surfing.... |
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| Jun-25-07 | | achieve: <One small admission. I stole "When you wilt, it won't" from an old advert. For a rubber tyre, maybe, I'm not sure.> I must admit I crashed to the floor laughing, upon reading that.. But functioning under HER rule wasn't that easy this morning. So thanks, I just laughed off the strain I was under.. <An orificeless foot> I believe I can use one of those, yes. |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <A Message from Big Harv, Founder of Harvey's Bristol Witnesses, the One True Faith>
Oi. It has come to Our Notice that certain people have been wavering, and defecting to other so-called deities. This just isn't on. It makes Big Harv mad, and when that happens people get hurt.
So stick to the one true faith, okay? All together now... <"Then I heard Big Harv
Now I'm a Believer
Not a trace
Of thought in my mind.
I'm a sheep
With religious fever
When Harv comes for me
You'll be left behind."> |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <Daniel Dennett> is, broadly speaking, a reductionist: somebody who believes in scientific principles while attacking what he calls 'greedy reductionism' -- the stereotype soulless scientist taking stuff apart to see what makes it tick, and being left with a heap of inert objects. Of course complex systems have emergent properties, which is why 'bad' reductionism fails. But 'holistic' can go too far in the other direction... 'Dennett 1995' sounds like a quote from Darwin's Dangerous Idea. Where Dennett also quotes Dawkins: "Reductionism is a dirty word, and a kind of 'holistier than thou' self-righteousness has become fashionable." |
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Jun-25-07
| | Domdaniel: <He used a magic stick> This, believe it or not, is a true story. In 1937, Antonin Artaud, French dramatist, writer and eccentric, came to Ireland searching for two objects (this would make a good Indiana Jones movie, btw, with Johnny Depp as Artaud) -- he was looking for 'the staff of Saint Patrick' (said to contain 20 million magical fibres) as well as 'the actual stick used by Jesus Christ to fight off demons in the desert'. He believed these were hidden in Ireland by jesuits. He had just been to Mexico, where he had acquired a 'magical stiletto'. The narrative is confused. Artaud wrote to Breton. He may have recovered one of the sticks. Then a violent fracas occurred outside a jesuit house, and Artaud was deported. He drew his magic stiletto, and was put in a straitjacket. He spent the next 14 years locked up in an asylum. Outside, World War 2 was going on. Draw your own conclusions as to who was sane and who wasn't. The stick with millions of fibres -- fibre optic angelchips? -- is clearly advanced alien technology. I am now on the trail, and--- |
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