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Apr-12-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Deffi> -- <you avoided the dark side of the apple after the POLITBURO decree> Very true. But even years earlier my innate sense of danger kept me far away from the ... what apple? What dark side? Never heard of it, me. Can I go now? I didn't see nothin', I was just gettin' home late. |
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Apr-12-08
 | | Domdaniel: ... and then at 18-ply, 21.c4 bursts in with an eval of [+21.68] ... Enough is enough. How many better moves must I be shown before I learn my lesson? |
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| Apr-12-08 | | achieve: <And in several lines Fritz just gives up its Queen at once rather than try defences which lead to mate ... I think it's safe to assume it's a winning position.> Yes. At 17 PLY my beast wants to play 21. Ne8 <Qa1>?? -- purely out of desp(e)aration...And now it's me who is knackered -- G'night.
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Apr-12-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: MACK
<The Suttles>--Ta
DOM
<the Game>-- Ta
brilliant! However, my <Shredder> disagrees with <Fritz> on this last point. at 66,000 ply <Shredder> says "Only a Flesh Wound" for Black, and Play On! <Dom> the sensation of winning a daring attacking game is in "real time" OTB. What a computer, or Bobby "you spent 20 hours on THAT?" Fischer, says <post mortem>, is exactly that. POST mortem.
If an Engine finds a refutation to a <Tal> positional sac, does that mean Tal's game was not "good," or not "bloody magnificent"? Of course not.
And more-- Patzers (IE- everybody save a sainted few)-- If they are playing "in their range" they will experience sensations of playing a great game, but they know that "objectively" they really aren't. However, "subjective feelings" also enjoy an "objective ontological status"-- VIZ- they "exist". I take a dim view of what an Engine says after a game between humans. Except for checking blunders, improving lines, learning how one went wrong, and for the purposes of subsequent litigation. I hope that's cleared things up!!
(PS I don't know what I'm talking about- but that's not going to stop me from enjoying the Suttles links <mack> posted for me, and then going in to Yahoo to do Chess battle on this, my "day off.") Stupid engines.
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Apr-12-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom>
Steady on, steady on--
<Enough is enough. How many better moves must I be shown before I learn my lesson?> There is only one lesson about "better" that means anything at all. In a OTB situation, a "better" move is only ever one that results in you winning that game. Period. You won. Ipso Fatso, you were better than him on this ocassion and all your moves were better. ALL OTB GAMES results are
<post hoc, ergo propter hoc>. Good Grief man take credit for constructing a beatiful and artful game and forget about what the Engines say. Engines are clinical- they should NEVER affect your emotions or pride. Mr. Spock would be upset if an Engine told him he was Illogical or "wrong". But I wouldn't be.
Nor should you.
Stupid Engines.
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: <Dom: <mack> may instinctively prefer the Black side> Definitely!
<After my game last night I said to somebody in the club that I thought I'd pulled a fast one by transposing into a Pirc. Oh no, I was told, he plays the Pirc regularly, especially this "anti-Flank-Opening" system with ...e5 and ...f5.> Which would be fine, were it not for the fact that he played 1...Nf6. Suttles, dammit, was right: if you're going to bust up the centre with f7-f5, you don't want to have to move a knight out of the way first. It's a simple mathematical truth that had he played ...Nh6 at some point instead, the pawn break could have come one move sooner. Possibly it was the fact that he had to play Nf6-d7 that gave you your lovely initiative. It may well be that whacking knights on the rim has a certain psychological effect - I know I get huge amounts of glee watching my opponent's face as I play Nh3 or Nh6 - but the decision to do so is firmly rooted in that most basic of chess principles: tempo. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Ta. You've put the engine in its place - a nice padded box/cell - and clarified the ontological status of just about everything, including me. And I *did* say I was trying to adopt the Tal *approach* -- viz, setting hard problems for the opponent at the board in real ticktock time. I didn't, good *gravy*, mean that I actually aspired to *play* like the great man. That last mate I 'missed' was actually ten moves deep when I first tried to calculate it - with hanging pieces en route and a distinct possibility of losing if I miscalculated anything ... and time was running short. So I'm pleased with myself for getting the first four moves, starting Rxh7+, "right", and then bailing out into a more pedestrian win with Bxg2. I said here recently that the really impressive thing about Tal was, not so much the godlike combinations, but the ability to reach positions where such options are possible. And, somehow, I'm getting that bit right, whatever about the subsequent moves. And "finding a mate" was never my strong point anyway. Heh. Another thing: I took my opponent seriously all the way through, despite his lower rating. I must avoid the "anything will win" trap which leads to "crap, I resign". As for Mr Spock ... yes, it's true, I aspired to be like him when I was younger. But his suspiciously close friendship with that platinum-coated idiot, James Tiberius Kirk, put me off ... as did those weird emotionally charged sexual episodes that Vulcans endure every seven years. I suspect that Vulcans were thought up by a Freudian deep in the coils of Repression Theory, the return of the Repressed, beneath the escape from the return to planet of the apes (part 7), etc. Oops. Wrong sci-fi metaphor. But it's all the same, innit? Dick is Asimov on drugs, Lem is a commie Ballard, Dickens is a Victorian Pynchon [how did they get in here? - ed.], Gibson is, um, Chandler meets Kafka in Vancouver while listening to John Cale ... Speaking of, um, putting things in their box ... have you heard about the new gizmo from Japan? Probably last year's fad in Korea. It's an electronic device that apparently reproduces the "pleasurable sensation of popping bubble wrap". Hmm. It sounds suspiciously like <Telebilbonics> to me. These bubble wrap fetishists (cover your ears, children!) are moving into cyberspace, just like chessplayers did. They may even meet up there and spawn even stranger mutants. Prosper all the Livelong Day, as a dyslexic Vulcan would say. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> -- <I feel the need to play my next club game under the influence of coke > I would advise against this. Coca-cola causes a sugar rush which leads to irrational decisions, and the "diet" variety is worse (a non-alcoholic drink named after a parliament - an oxymoron, surely?). Cocaine, on the other hand, may have its uses ...
... but chess is not one of them. It turns people into Americans. If they happen to be Americans already, I'm not sure what they turn into, but it ain't pretty. In fact the only *worse* drug where chess 'thinking' is concerned is LSD in large doses. Maybe other strong hallucinogens like Mescalin are similar. If you find yourself giggling and throwing your pawns at an invisible man-eating dartboard on the wall, you'll know you're in this general territory. Most opponents take it as a resignation when you throw your pieces at the wall. Maybe Canadians are different, though. [Yes, it's <Ethnic & Corporate Insult Day> here among the bullrushes. But these Nordamericanos are tough - they can handle it. One hopes.] "The only nation that matters is resignation" |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> -- <What a computer, or Bobby "you spent 20 hours on THAT?" Fischer, says <post mortem>, is exactly that.> Bobby is speaking post mortem? Er, just to you, or has he gone on radio yet? Has he said anything about the communist bureaucracy on the Other Side, and which ethnic group might be in charge of running it? No, let me guess ... |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Yes indeedy. I've just become a convert to ...Nh6 in various French lines, daring White to whip it off with Bxh6 and 'ruin' the Black kingside. Also of course opening the g-file, conceding the bishop pair (for them as likes 'em ... I'm not totally comfortable with the two-bish privilege myself) and giving black *two* h-pawns which can be successively lashed forward to their doom. In practice, the bluff seems to work (or else my opponents read opening tomes that advise against Bxh6). Nobody has taken the knight against me yet, and it soon pops out to f5. Or, indeed, back to f7. I think this might be post #9000 ... should I make a speech? Oh, right. I already did. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Incidentally, I was bemused to discover several Suttles games - can't recall specifically which, but you'll know what I mean - that have quite ordinary, even dull, openings. But they get quite strange after a while. Definitely not just an openings thing, our man's mysterious method. Hmm. I just realised that the last two games I posted here -- the other being that discussion of 12.Nf5!? in a King's Indian -- involved opponents playing ...Nf6 and promptly moving it again to play ...f5. And they both handed White the initiative in the process. Your theory is a good one. My own version -- play ...f5 first, aka the Dutch -- is in trouble, however, because people have taken to playing ultra-sharp anti-Dutch gambits like 2.h3 and 3.g4. |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: * * * ADVERTISEMENT * * *
There is one great musical hero who has remained unsung around these parts. We've given the nod to Dylan, Cale, Zappa, Beefheart, Cohen, Mitchell, The Fall and countless others. But please, believe me when I tell you that you need Will Oldham in your life. When I was a wee young thing my mother had a mysterious album on an ultra-crackly cassette simply entitled 'Palace Brothers'. No credits, no album name, no lyric sheet, nothing. Just a very blurry photo on the front and a tracklisting. I can remember it off by heart: 1. You Will Miss Me When I Burn
2. Pushkin
3. Come A Little Dog
4. I Send My Love To You
5. Meaulines
6. No More Workhorse Blues
7. All Is Grace
8. Wither Thou Goest
9. (Thou Without) Partner
10. I Am A Cinematographer
The album was a formative influence; it was not the sort of thing children to which children should be listening. 'Meaulines', for example, contains the lines: 'And he came by the way of a half-million murderers
And he came by the way of a long list of ironies
And he came by the way of the road to Sioux City
And he came by the way of the half-breeds and lesbians' I still knew nothing about who was behind it though. I wasn't particularly convinced that there were any 'Brothers' involved, either: it seemed to be just one bloke with a guitar who really struggled hitting the simplest of notes. Years later, The Internet was invented, and so I investigated. Turns out that the album is called 'Days In The Wake', but that Mr. Palace Brothers, a certain Will Oldham, had only thought of the title after it was released. I also discovered that, just like all my favourite bloody artists, he writes billions of songs under various different names. He went through a 'Palace' phase early on, recording as Palace Brothers, Palace Music, Palace Songs and just plain old Palace, as well as using his birth name. He's now settled upon Bonnie 'Prince' Billy, and he's still absolutely brilliant. Here are four samplers (all legit mp3s, by the way): I Am A Cinematographer (Occasionally I tell myself that this is my favourite song of all time. The imagery, man!): http://hypem.com/track/349157 I See A Darkness (Probably Will's most famous song, seeing as it was covered by Johnny Cash on one of his American albums): http://hypem.com/track/496025 Little Boy Blue: http://hypem.com/track/380168
Death To Everyone: http://hypem.com/track/406738
In recent years he's done some incredible covers, too. Amazingly, each of the following is far, far better than the original: The World's Greatest (R. Kelly) http://www.whokilledthemixtape.com/... Senor (Dylan) http://www.thankscaptainobvious-mus... Daniel (Elton John) http://goodvibrato.org/media/04%20D... Puff The Magic Dragon http://www.foeweel.com/compilations... |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: P.S. Here's a video for 'Agnes, Queen of Sorrow'. The animation is by David Shrigley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esBP... |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> That stuff about long lines of ironies and lesbians is superb. There's a road near where I live called 'Dyke Parade' and I had a plan to exploit the international Sapphic market by bringing in tourists of that ilk to be photographed standing next to the street-sign and smiling wryly. Oh, I had expansions plans too. There's a 'Misery Hill' for Leonard Cohen fans, and a 'Lower Road' for members of the lower classes. But without direct marketing I was lost -- and I don't know *that* many miserable lower-class lesbians personally. Right, um, <Meaulines> ... not got anything to do with that Frog novel, Le Grand Meaulnes, has it? I've never quite managed to finish it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the eponym hadn't stuck an extra 'i' into his name, for sheer devilment. Incidentally, isn't it fun to watch a whole generation of political leaders vanish more or less simultaneously? Blair, Howard and Chirac already gone, Bush and Putin next in line, while here on the island both Paisley (Irl, North) and Ahern (Irl, Rep of) have been persuaded to hand in their notice. Ahern's successor is one Brian Cowen, and I'm waiting for a scandal so I can call it Cowengate. Meanwhile, media outlets are wriggling around with his nickname, Biffo, a disreputable acronym. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Wither Thou Goest> -- might that be <Wither, Thou Guest>? A heartfelt wish that the person in your spare bedroom should shrivel up and disappear? |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: Oh, sorry about that burst of pedantry. It's excellent stuff, that music, and I'm being a mean-minded orthographical git. Also a get with a gat in his gut.
Got it? |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: <I wouldn't be at all surprised if the eponym hadn't stuck an extra 'i' into his name, for sheer devilment> Nah, that was my slip up -- twice in a row, in fact. How alarming. I've managed to find a live version of it here (http://captainsdead.com/debaser/pal...) so maybe you could tell me if it's a nod to Fournier, because I've not read it. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: Tomcat engine is down.
I think that means M. Meaulnes is trapped in hyperspace. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: ... and to think there are still people in this dataverse (Hi, Joe - I threw that in for you) who spend their time fretting over whether a message is 'on topic' or not. Whatever that means. How can any intelligent person stick to a topic? |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: <Joan Crawford>
'Hamburger stands, but no @#$%ing hamburgers...'
<"Tomcat engine is down" was the message I got on screen when I clicked one of your 'musical' links. Where *have* you been hanging out? And *what* have you been hanging out?> Oi, what's with the sarcastic quotation marks around 'musical'? Sure, he can't sing, or play guitar, and his songs make you want to kill yourself... but hey, it gives me hope that there's still a market for that sort of thing. Either way, I'm glad 'Tomcat engine is down' wasn't in fact the ultimate in-joke, one that nobody, not even yourself, properly understood. Tomcat engine is up-and-running just fine my end, I'll have you know. I've been re-reading the Butler Report this evening. It really is a depressing indictment. The only way I'm going to be able to get to the end is if I carry on reading out choice bits in the style of Reg Varney. |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: Oi Dom, you ever invented any board games over the years? About two months ago now an abstract strategy game on a base-7 hexagonal grid came to me in a dream. It's taken until now to properly decipher the true nature of said dream, but I think I might have something very fun and challenging on my hands. I've decided to toss a few vampires into the mix, though - what's an abstract strategy game without the living dead? |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: I want good incest men |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Games> Yeah ... I even printed up copies of a game (free with every copy of Zilch, along with a do-it-yourself Turin Shroud) called something stupid like 'Life as we know it'. One of your simple throw-dice and move-counters on paths games. Supposedly modelled on a life trajectory. Heavily satiric in a callow way, with entries/zones like 'domestic bliss' (throw a six to get out) and 'sudden adult death syndrome' (go to hell and stay there). It wasn't what you'd call original. Or popular. But it had a cool drawing of a punk throwing up. |
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Apr-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> -- Watch me get all prickly and defensive now -- I'm told it's de rigeur in passive-aggressive circles. Oy - the quotes round 'musical' were just because that link, Tomcat, failed to provide music. Me, being a tone deaf type, I'd never query the musicality of anyone else's taste. Okay? OK? |
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| Apr-13-08 | | mack: <Oy - the quotes round 'musical' were just because that link, Tomcat, failed to provide music.> Huzzah, 'Tomcat' - have I finally got myself a 'cool' nickname? It ain't no dino-nick, but it's a start. <mack: I want good incest men> This is almost certainly going to be taken out of context and used against me. Quite possibly in a court of law. |
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