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Feb-26-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <mack>
Thanks so much for digging up and sharing that truly amazing newspaper article. It's so funny- "free admission" but you need to get a ticket- and the "Whiteley's Mahoganny Bed" marked down to 6 pounds from 9- That's "Whiteley's" on Queen's Road in London--
The <International Tournament> the advert refers to was a MAJOR historical event- This one in fact: <London 1932>- http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Sing... I just made a lengthy post on this tournament today over at <Eyal's> forum. Alekhine, Flohr, Khan, Maroczy, Kashdan, Tartakower- Vera finished in 8th spot.
You know what else is interesting is that "Whiteley's" is on <Queen's Road>-in London. Menchik would play in the annual <Hasting's Christmas Congress> in December of 1932 as well- And the Hastings Events were ALSO held in a venue on "Queen's Road" but in Hastings. This venue was the rather grand Temperance Queen's Hotel- Here is the listing for that tournament (Flohr was first)- http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Sing... |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Domdaniel: It's easy to forget that 1930s society was pervaded with (what seems to us now) a staggering level of sexism. It was just *there*, as background radiation: a set of assumptions about the sexes, rarely questioned. Since it was a truism that women didn't (or couldn't) play chess well, Ms Menchik was seen as an anomaly. And patronized hugely. Nimzowitsch, introducing the players in his book on Karlsbad 1929, wrote "in order not to offend the ladies, Vera Menchik was also invited (and proved herself to be quite a gifted player, by the way)". Ah, the ladies, bless 'em. Poor old Nimzo probably felt he was being quite fair, and a bit daring and dashing. The very existence of a 'Vera Menchik club' - with its slightly 'saucy' subtext - supports the idea that Vera was seen as an anomaly. In maths, Kovalevskaya and Noether provide similar examples - but chess was competitive, making it even more 'unladylike'. A lady didn't try to crush a chap's ego in those days. Not on his own turf, anyhow. There were other methods. We can't *judge* the past by our own standards, but we can gape in wonder at it. Practically every pre-1960 book I've read on chess, maths, science - and even most science fiction - assumes that 'men' are the actors, agents, and readers. Dr Johnson - the stone-kicking brute and lexicographical drudge - put it like this: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all." If the reader asks himself why I bring up such obvious points, she may already know the answer. |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Annie K.: <If the reader asks himself why I bring up such obvious points, she may already know the answer.> Heh... well, yes. :) |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Domdaniel: <For my dwindling number of male readers> ... Don't worry, chaps. Your turn will come.
When it does, try not to be *too* macho. We have standards, after all. |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Annie K.: <Your turn will come.> ...and it will be zugzwang. :p |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Open Defence: no takers for that end game... ? |
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Feb-26-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Ok three avatars in a row all girls-
It's the elusive triple. A magical number as in the "Three Graces" or the "Three Stooges." |
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| Feb-26-10 | | hms123: <three girls> ok--move along now. There's nothing to see. Move along. |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Domdaniel: <Three Stooges> This wicked blasphemy on the holy trinity was of course banned in fundamentalist Christian countries such as the USA. Curly, Larry and Moe - father, son and holy ghost - were just too blatant. If they'd only been more subtle, like Lenny Bruce ... Sorry, wrong reality. I stepped into the Republic of Gilead for some balm. None to be had, though. Don't know how I'll tell Mr Poe. "What, no balm?" he'll say. "I simply must have my balm. Is there balm in Gilead?" And off I go, like a tame raven. Well, I've had enough. Next time Mr Edgar Poe wants balm he can get it himself. Nevermore, is what I'll tell him. I *will*, by Curly. |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Domdaniel: I wonder how Dr Alekhine coped with playing in a Temperance Hotel. Although, in England, temperance was usually something inflicted on the lower classes by their betters. |
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Feb-26-10
 | | Domdaniel: <Trinities> Shakespeare's Scottish play has Three Wi... er, three women who make prophecies. "When the curly-wurly's done", and all that. I've been trying to read it in Russian. Slowly.
The collected works of Shakespeare, along with books by Tolkien, King and Rowling, were publicly burned in Alamogordo, New Mexico - previously known for its military base and aeronautics test facility - in 2001. That happened in *this* reality, btw. They also burned copies of Star Wars. |
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Feb-27-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: They shouldn't burn any books. That's what's so irritating about the name "Kindle" for the big online Reading project, dedicated to the death of all paper. Can you really read Russian?
Did you know Alekhine could speak fluent Russian, French, German, English, and Spanish? He was pretty smart.
<Dom> you know what's so striking to me about <mack's> newspaper advert is that it "looks" like the Chess tournament is a kind of incidental event meant mainly to promote a furniture sale. In fact, I'll wager the digs upstairs in that store were substantial- given that the Tournament was so major. And yes as you know they built these "Temperance" Hotels all over the place. I bet the "rules" were bent "sotto voce" when the Big Man walked in to the room. I love all of those "Tournament group Portraits" that have Alekhine sitting in the center chair, with his palpable Regal Bearing. Truly he was a bona fide King. The King of Chess.
The glory! |
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Feb-27-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> and Fellow <Frogspawnners>- Here is a Chess History film I made about <Vera Menchik>. There is a sketch of the "Temperance Queen's Hotel, Hastings" at 1:53 And <Dom> you may be interested to see a very rare photograph I found of a rather young and svelte <Vera Menchik> glowering across the board at <Marcel Duchamp> at the Paris 1929 Tournament. This photo is at 2:58
The music for this film derives from <hms123's> recommendations. Faure, Faure, and Mahler.
I didn't know about this amazing Opera Law Firm until <Howard> started schooling me in classical music history! |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Open Defence: Frogs Rule! |
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| Feb-27-10 | | whiteshark: P.S. <Tomi's frogs> are online now: http://batrachomyomachia.blogspot.c... , that's what legs are for... A 'post scriptum' after two years is probably called somehow different, maybe a new episode? |
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Feb-27-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: doh!
I forgot to put in the link.
Here is the Vera Menchik movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTOl... |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Excellent work. The first few images - the scantily clad bints - had me worried for a moment. There is indeed much to be said in favour of *nekkid women* ... but it would be unfortunate if the concepts of nakedness and femaleness came to be linked, even subliminally. On the other hand, *male* nudity is so hideous in general that perhaps it's better to stress the female version. Anyway, brilliantly sourced, as usual. How do you find these pics? I'd never seen the Duchamp one before. One tiny quibble. I believe that Milner-Barry went by the first name (Sir) Stuart, rather than his real first name, Philip. Philip Stuart Milner-Barry |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Domdaniel: <Can you really read Russian? >
Nyet. I can read the alphabet and I know a small number of words. And I have a rough idea of the syntax. So a text I know well - Mr Shaxper's Maxbet - and a dictionary will keep me occupied for a while. The Chelovek who fell to Zemlya. |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Annie K.: Uh, I really must object to the "girl" label. It's been a very long time since I've identified myself as a "girl". :s For some incomprehensible reason, the word "Axis" comes to mind though... :p <Dom>... heh. What Shakespeare I have read, was in Hungarian translation. Poe likewise. One can't help but be familiar with the English versions of the more famous passages anyway, as a netizen - they are all over the place. :) <The collected works of Shakespeare, along with books by Tolkien, King and Rowling, were publicly burned in Alamogordo, New Mexico> Rowling?! The criminals. Well, at least her place in "the hall of fame" was recognized. Rowling is really excellent. Reminds me of your earlier link's reference to Ballard as a "myth-maker" - I've applied that term before to describe some of the best writers, such as Zelazny... and Rowling. Have you read the HP series? :)
<Jessica> I watched the Menchik video - it's really quite good. I have some design-related comments on it.
I see you've chosen to use Times New Roman font for your captions... it really stands out in YouTube's Arial environment, and not in a positive way. You may want to be aware of studies showing that while serif (such as Times New Roman) fonts are the ideal font choice for <printed material>, sans-serif fonts are considered to be the ideal fonts for on-screen text: particularly Verdana at 10 points size, and Arial at 12 points size. http://www.edcsi.com/media/HTML%20E... http://www.resultscorporation.co.uk... The above two references are rather dated, but should give you an idea about the basic differences in readability between the printed and on-screen text. Another point: When you show a board position, the watcher may want to spend a few seconds taking it in - your having text pop up right in the middle of it is a distraction. Given that the YouTube window is rectangular, if possible, I'd suggest something like gradually moving the board to the left and then using the space to the right for the text. Lastly: in the group photo shown around 5:44, there are other women, with the young girl in white at the front being particularly noticeable, if only because of her different dress color. It may have been better to mention these other women, than to leave the watcher wondering who <they> were, and feeling that they have been "upstaged" on Vera's behalf. |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Open Defence: nice Menchik video! |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Domdaniel: <girls, girls ...> Here in Cork - though not in Ireland generally - both 'boy' and 'girl' are used as friendly greetings between persons of all ages. A pair of 75-year-olds, on meeting, may say "How are you, boy?" and get the reply "Not bad, girl". There are occasional misunderstandings. One Australian woman I knew swore she'd punch the next person to call her 'girl'. I tried explaining the idiom ... but I suspect punching guys was *her* idiom. Cultural variation, innit? I find 'ladies' more offensive, due to its pseudo-gentility and attempted poshness. But that's just my last residual bits of class warrior mode screaming for attention. Another friend of mine objects to the words 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend' when applied to anyone older than about 16. She says they have this false innocence, as though putting on an act for parents, maiden aunts, etc - giving the impression that the relationship involves hand-holding at worst. |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> I also have Ballard's 'The Drowned World' in Hungarian. I can't quite recall the title ... something like 'Vizby Fult Vulag'? |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Annie K.: <I find 'ladies' more offensive, due to its pseudo-gentility and attempted poshness.> So do I, for exactly the same reasons. Plus the implied behavioral expectations, i.e., what was supposed to be "ladylike" behavior back in Queen Victoria's day. Grrrrrrrr. But what's wrong with 'women'? ;) <'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend'> We - netizenry - have "SO" for that these days, n'est-ce pas? <I also have Ballard's 'The Drowned World' in Hungarian. I can't quite recall the title ... something like 'Vizby Fult Vulag'?> Probably 'Vízbe Fúlt Világ'. Oddly, my SF reading was done almost entirely in English. The classics, etc., I've been reading earlier on - I only started on SF in my later teens, and by then I was in Israel and reading mainly in English. |
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Feb-27-10
 | | Open Defence: I have always considered my self a 'girl' ... must be the secret of my good looks. ...btw have you have been the square on the hypotenuse of a love triangle ? |
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| Feb-28-10 | | Russian Grandmasters: Thanks for your notes <Dom>- I got the <Duchamp> photo from one of many excellent Spanish-language chess blogs. |
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