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Jan-18-11
 | | Annie K.: <Dom> well, not *really* incorrigible... let's just consider this a "work in progress", eh? ;p So you used to play correspondence? If you feel like resuming that sometime, sign up at ChessWorld, 'cos there I can help you with any problem you might run into. :) <I almost played the London System with d4 and Bf4, but the urge to fianchetto was too strong.> Heh. I've never found fianchettos the least bit tempting. At least not on the side my K is on (whether that's Kside or Qside). On second thought, I do use them as Black, where the game goes 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.Qh5 g6 4.Qf3 Nf6 5.c3 (a fairly common line these days), then, say, ...d6 6.d3 usw, with Bg5 pending - here it's more or less necessary, but otherwise nope. ;) |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Domdaniel: <hms> The 2 Advance books are not *that* recent -- I think more stuff has come out in the past year. But I have all of the Psakhis books on the French (a single-volume treatment from the 1990s, then 4 more between 2003 and 2006 -- one Winawer, one Classical, one Tarrasch, one Advance + Exchange). And I also have 'The French Advance' by Sam Collins (Batsford 2006). It's written more from the White point of view. Also useful is John Watson's book on 'Dangerous Weapons: the French' which treats various innaresting sidelines. |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> That's not a *real* fianchetto. Playing ...g6 for defensive reasons and then popping a Bishop in doesn't count. You have to *want* your Bishop on the long diagonal. Personally, I find the urge well-nigh irresistible, especially as White. In one game at the weekend I varied with b3 instead of g3, but soon found myself trying to get the LSB onto the long diagonal via e2 and f3. At which point I was offered a draw, and accepted. Recognizing a draw in the opening rather than the endgame saves hours of needless calculation. |
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| Jan-18-11 | | hms123: <Dom> thanks. I have Watson's book, and Neil McDonald's books (How to Play Against e4; Mastering the French) and some other books on the French (Moskalenko's Flexible French for one), but not anything by Psakhis. I think I have read the reviews, but can't remember them at the moment. |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Domdaniel: BTW, one of my favorite quotes on the arcane secrets of chess opening books comes from Collins's intro to 'The French Advance': <"27,790 games in the French Advance are contained in [Mega Database] ... and I won't lie to you, I'm not going to play through 27,790 games."> |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Annie K.: <Dom: <You have to *want* your Bishop on the long diagonal.>> Which, with apologies, and only to use a loosely translated Hungarianism, I want about as much as splinters in the backside. :p OK, when playing against 1.d4 as Black (which usually means going into a Ragozin or similar variation, with Kside castling by both sides), I do like a Bishop on b7. But I play 1.e4 - and <against> 1.e4 - far more often. The diagonals *I* like a Bishop on, as such, would be either the a2-g8 or b1-h7 diagonals as White, and mostly the a7-g1 diagonal as Black. These are nice, to-the-point, aimed-right-at-the-opponent's-king kinda diagonals. I understand what they are <for>. ;) |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> Don't get me wrong. e4 can be a good move -- to attack the enemy formation on move 12, f'rinstance. Playing it on move 1 seems such a waste. |
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Jan-18-11
 | | Annie K.: I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that, dear one. ;) BTW, it's once again safe to visit my forum now, just in case you need an update - I think we're all done making the world a better place for the moment. :p |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> This is the kind of thing I mean: F Carame vs N Getz, 2010 Black's first move is ...e6, and his final, winning move is ...e5. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: As for those White openings, I think 1.Na3 is the most successful first move, according to the CG opening explorer. I like the idea of playing something called the Sodium Attack: G Welling vs S Horvath, 1996 Sodium. Na. Geddit? Combinations and chemistry are your only men. |
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| Jan-19-11 | | hms123: <Dom> A non-frivolous emu is headed your way. What was I thinking? |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: <hms> - < What was I thinking?>
Since I'm not Uri Geller, I won't know that until it arrives, will I? Emus get beamed down to a local 'post office', which provides government employment and pensions for 17,000 stamp-lickers, stamp-licker-managers, and so on. Its contents are transcribed onto vellum by specially trained monks, and sent on a scenic tour of the island by donkey cart. Then I get to read it, more not than often. But for you I'll reverse these qualifiers. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Annie K.: <Dom: <Don't get me wrong. e4 can be a good move -- to attack the enemy formation on move 12, f'rinstance. Playing it on move 1 seems such a waste.>> BTW, I feel the same way about 1.d4, oddly enough. ;) <... F Carame vs N Getz, 2010 ...> Oy, that game is just misplayed. 7.b3 is awful. I useta play it that way - and lost most of my French games back then. Then I played it against Tryfon (kingscrusher) once, and he yelped 'what ya wanna play that *for*?', or something along those lines... and I said 'well, I need to activate the DSB, so I have to find another way to protect the b2 pawn, and it's in the OE', and he said 'nonono, don't DO that... play a3 and b4'. So I've started playing it that way, and since then, I've won most of my French games... including the ones against Tryfon. ;) The b3 attempt at releasing the DSB from the defense of b2 is just bad - it does nothing to stop the pending Bb4+ attack, and the subsequent loss of the d4 pawn <at least> - at worst, castling rights, and the game. :s In this game, by the time White fixes that error, it's simply too late. <Sodium Attack>
Heh. Geddit, but that's just an insult opening. :p |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Annie K.: Actually, in that French game, 6.Be2 is a blunder already - the B move can wait, a3 can't. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: *Insult* opening? Thought never crossed my mind. If one can play Na3 on move 6 in the French Advance or on move 2 in the Sicilian, why not on the 1st move? Thinking of moves as insults to one's dignity (or whatever) is a sure way to lose. Think of Karpov-Miles, Skara 1980, 1.e4 a6, laughter in crowd, world champ blushes and feels insulted, world champ goes on to lose. I don't like 1.d4 either, btw, and certainly not in conjunction with c4 or e4. These are vital pawn levers and need to be held in reserve. The *best* opening move may actually be 1.a3. Just you wait for the verdict of the Final Tablebase, Quantum dept. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Annie K.: Heh. Well, as Black against 1.a3 or 1.Na3, I don't think I'd be ackshly *insulted*, no. I'd just go 'ooh, I get to play White here, after all - kewl!' ;) I get that your style seems to be simply to avoid book as much as possible, play as non-committally as possible, and rely on opponents running out of their comfort zones, feeling lost and confused, and cracking under the uncertainty of the position. Not bad, really, but when an opponent <doesn't> react that way - when they can make pretty good use of their time to develop, and can make plans not relying on known formations - then you've just given up both control of space and initiative. Now, I tend to play in the same "patient" way myself - say, as White, I'll play games that go, for a typical example, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 d6 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 Be7 6.Bb3 Bg4 7.Nbd2 O-O 8.h3 Bh5 9.Nf1 a6 10.Ng3 - all development, and preparing for all sorts of potential opportunities later on, and Black generally tends to run out of "preparatory moves" by 9...a6 already. And I still haven't even committed to castling side. Black generally feels that as they're all done "developing", they need to attack already, and the following simplifications often end in my favor. But I think this sort of thing is at least solid, and I'm not giving up too much space for it. I'm betting on 1.c3 as the opening of the future. ;) |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: < when an opponent <doesn't> react that way> ... then I tend to have a draw. It very rarely results in a loss. And I win sufficiently often as Black not to mind drawing as White. Actually, White can be a handicap in these weekend tournaments, with 90 mins for the game, no time controls, no extensions, no increments. Many White players fall significantly behind on the clock -- either because they're desperately searching for a winning line that doesn't exist, or because the opponent knows the terrain better. Innaresting psychological footnote: when looking over my scoresheets from the weekend, I saw that I'd transposed the names of the players in two games where I was White. Thinking of myself as Black, at some level, and entering that on my score - though I still made the first move. My White openings aren't entirely ad hoc. I used to play the English before switching to 1.Nf3, and I know a fair amount of theory in lines such as the Neo-Grunfeld, Fianchetto King's Indian, and various forms of Reti/English. One reason for 1.Nf3 is to defer the decision whether to play d3 or d4 until I see Black's setup. I have actually played 1.c3 (the Saragossa). Once only. I had more success with 1.e3, Van't Kruijs Opening. <mack> plays some interesting stuff after 1.d3 ... but these things usually transpose. Being aware of the transpositions is half the battle. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: The real point about openings, I think, is *understanding* them -- knowing where the best squares for various pieces are, which pawn breaks you can get away with, when to attack or defend. In the range of stuff that I play, I'm normally good at this - though sometimes it goes horribly wrong. Then again ... I've seen people who didn't even know what opening they were in ("is that a French?") make very good moves. And I've seen masters blunder. That said, in most of my openings it is possible to wing it. Not the Winawer - too many calamities await those who don't know theory, and I have the wins to prove it. But most of the other stuff can be made up as one goes along - or ajusted ad hominem, as it were. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> 6.Be2 a blunder? Only in the sense that I consider 1.e4 e5 an abomination. It may not be to your *taste*, but it's a regular move. Collins, for example, has three chapters on 6.a3, two on 6.Be2, and one on everything else. It's actually the 2nd most common move in that position, ie after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 ... and now 6.a3 is most popular, with 6.Be2 next. I suspect their positions were reversed until the 1970s/80s - when I were a lad, 6.Be2 was the mainline and 6.a3 had an aura of novelty. Another plausible move for White is 6.Bd3!? - the Milner-Barry Gambit, where White gives away his pawn centre to play at chasing the black Queen. It's dangerous - I once lost to it despite bashing out 20 moves of theory. As a result, I tend to avoid mainlines in the Advance. There are several ways of doing this. An early ...Nh6 - sometimes with an early ...f6, to attack the pawn chain from the front - is currently fashionable. I've played ...Nh6 a few times, but I have qualms about it. I'm not a DIRP fan, though followers of GM Dirp swear by the Doubled Isolated Rook's Pawns. There's a great collection of Dirp games in this very site. And nobody has actually played Bxh6 against me, yet. I prefer the Wade variation, pioneered by Bob Wade in the 1960s, discovered languishing in obscure footnotes by me in the 70s, and played sporadically ever since. Black omits ...Nc6 and plays ...Qb6, ...Bd7 and ...Bb5 to exchange LSBs. The only really challenging line is where White replies c4. I've been having a theoretical duel with a certain IM in this line. He's been winning, though I don't blame the opening. Another anti-Advance system involves omitting or deferring ...c5: eg 3.e5 b6 or 3...Qd7. An old Petrosian line also used by Vaganian. I agree with you, btw, that ...a5 is a good move for black in the Advance. But in the Tarrasch - with the centre fluid and up to three white pieces aimed at b5 - then ...a6 is invaluable. I find. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: Hmm. Now that we've analyzed the Advance, the Swarm, the Tarrasch with ...a6 and sundry other lines, Frogspawn is approaching a complete repertoire in the French. We just need some stuff on the Classical and MacCutcheon (I'm too much of a Winawer fan to play either, much). And the (yuck) Exchange. And the King's Indian Attack, the only French line where I'd rather take White. There's always Bird's Drawing Variation: 1.e4 e6 2.Bb5 Qg5 3.Bf1 Qd8 4.Bb5 Qg5, and repeat as necessary. Though 2...c6 might be troublesome. We advance, like a foolhardy e-pawn... |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Annie K.: If I agree that the Exchange is yuck, will that do for analysis? ;) <Innaresting psychological footnote: when looking over my scoresheets from the weekend, I saw that I'd transposed the names of the players in two games where I was White. Thinking of myself as Black, at some level, and entering that on my score - though I still made the first move.> Heh. I've done something similar repeatedly - writing my moves in the Black column. But this gets really confusing here, because of the bloody scoresheets being in Hebrew, and therefore going from right to left, so White's move should go into the right column, and Black's in the left one. Although I still write in English notation (as in "Nf3" etc., not as in English as opposed to Algebraic), as do many others, I notice - and then there's the large group who write theirs in Russian... but, at least once, I realized I was writing my move in the wrong column because of the color mixup you describe, rather than the language-direction mixup. :s <I have actually played 1.c3 (the Saragossa). Once only. > Well, if you're going to transpose into d4-style openings later, then it may not be so good, but if I were to start 1.c3, it would be with e4-style transpositions in mind. ;) It's a move I will almost always play, anyway - both in the Italian/Spanish, and in the Sicilian setups. And in the French too, now I think about it. So why not - if I didn't mind handing over the central initiative, that is. :p <6.Be2 a blunder? Only in the sense that I consider 1.e4 e5 an abomination. It may not be to your *taste*, but it's a regular move.> Well ok, "inferior" then. Srsly, if you play a3 first, you can start breathing much sooner. ;) Later you may still play Be2 if you really want to, but by then you may have better squares for that B. To move it to a <temporary> square, just so you can castle faster out of the danger that you could *prevent* with a3...? Hmmph. <Black omits ...Nc6 and plays ...Qb6, ...Bd7 and ...Bb5 to exchange LSBs. The only really challenging line is where White replies c4. I've been having a theoretical duel with a certain IM in this line. He's been winning, though I don't blame the opening.> Heh. I know which IM. :) I should look into this myself, ackshly, since I might play the White side of it sometime. Oddly, nobody has ever played French against me yet, in classical OTB, as I just realized. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Annie K.: OK, here's something I gotta show you - a Sicilian I accidentally turned into a French Advance! [Event "FICS rated blitz game"]
[Date "2011.01.20"]
[White "AnnieK"]
[Black "NN"]
[WhiteElo "1476"]
[BlackElo "1390"]
[TimeControl "600+0"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. c3 d5 4. e5 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 Qb6 7. a3 Nge7 8. b4 a5 9. b5 Na7 10. a4 Nf5 11. Qd3 Bd7 12. Be2 Bb4+ 13. Nbd2 O-O 14. O-O Rac8 15. Nb3 Rc3 16. Qd1 Rfc8 17. Bb2 Rc2 18. Rb1 f6 19. exf6 gxf6 20. Nc5 Rxb2 21. Rxb2 Bxc5 22. dxc5 Qxc5 23. Bd3 e5 24. Rc2 Qd6 25. Rxc8+ Nxc8 26. Bxf5 Bxf5 27. Nh4 Be6 28. Qh5 Bf7 29. Qg4+ (Black resigns) 1-0 Rilly, it was an accident. I usually play Sicilian with 3.Bc4, and 4.c3. Now, lately I've learned that 3.Bc4 is no good if Black played 2...e6, so I've been experimenting with 3.Bb5, and whatever else occurs to me, but here I was simply <not paying attention>, and played c3 out of sheer habit! And then after d5 I realized I could try to transpose the game into French Advance with 4.e5 (unless he plays 4...d4, but he didn't - dunno why, really), and now, after 4...Nc6 5.d4, we are in French Advance proper. Heh... innaresting game, too. :) |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: Annie ... ah, the infamous *accidental advance*. Some of the great victories in chess (and military) history came about like that. As did the charge of the Light Brigade ... At the age of 16 or so, a few months after taking up chess, I suddenly found myself the best player in my school. This didn't actually mean much. One game that survives from the period began 1.e4 e6 2.f4 and Black (need you ask) won in about 14 moves. I think the loser is now a Supreme Court Judge. I didn't actually 'get good' until a coupla years later, when I went to university and played zillions of blitz games against players rated over 2000, scored 6.5/7 in my first rated event, and bounded up to 1980 or so in 3 fast hops ... Before that, though, I played in a tournament for schoolboys. Some of my opponents were quite good, but I didn't know that. I may have accidentally caused a life change, though -- there were three chessplaying brothers, and both #1 and #3 later got over 2300 and played olympiads. #2, reputed to be just as good, lost a game to me and walked out in disgust. He didn't play much after that ... My ignorance of openings was total. I'd begun to try the French, but that was it. As white, I played 1.e4 and winged it in the Scotch. But two of my opponents played the Sicilian and I knew nothing at all. Not even that 3.d4 was routine. I somehow 'worked out', after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6, that a 'scotch sicilian' with 3.d4 would be 'premature', so I came up with 3.c3. And in the other game, after 2.Nf3 Nc6, I played the logical 3.Bb5. I think I won one and drew the other: I certainly gave up 1.e4 soon after. That Rossolimo 3.Bb5 is still the closest I've come to a Ruy. |
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Jan-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: <hms> That Collins book I mentioned is published by Everyman Chess, not Batsford. Author Sam Collins is a young Irish IM with a couple of GM norms - he drew with Grischuk in the olympiad and will probably get the GM title soon. Funny thing is, I've never played him or even met him, but I knew his father - a film producer - in the 1980s. It's vaguely dispiriting to buy books by people whose parents you used to know ... Not to mention schoolboy opponents who become Supreme Court judges. Sigh. Well, none of 'em wrote 'Entropanto'. That's something. |
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| Jan-19-11 | | hms123: <Dom> It could be worse. I had a student ask me today if I remembered her mother. Apparently, the mom had been in my class about 30 years earlier. <Entropanto>--oh, I've read that--quite good really. Quite good, indeed. |
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