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Feb-06-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> I saw The Addiction twice, both the old-fashioned way, on big cinema screens. I never got back to it on video, never mind DVD - and it was a long time ago, too. As a result my memories are visual and impressionistic -- Walken's pale face, light and dark, cityscapes, black pools of blood -- with not much in the auditory dept. I suspect our memories work differently that way. I may not be literally 'tone deaf', by my visual memory is better than my auditory one. I was told this was why I was able to switch from writing about film to visual art, but had more trouble writing about radio. The film? I remember thinking it was 'restrained' because several other Ferrara movies wallow in splatter, and the b/w gave this a sort of opiated distancing effect. I've written a few articles over the years on the vampire metaphor ... from Bram Stoker to the current crop of teen romances. In the late 80s, I think, the idea of the vampire/addict emerged, and I thought Ferrara handled it as well as anyone. Anne Rice, despite being a terrible writer, had opened up new spaces by ditching garlic and crucifixes, and turning vampires into romantic/alienated outsiders, with existential angst about their own longevity. A rich source of ideas, but it seems played out now -- just going by those incredibly popular teen flicks. The vamp as boyband boyfriend. So, um, I can't really respond to the dialog question at all. I'll try to find it and watch it again, if you think it's worth the effort ...? |
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Feb-06-11
 | | Annie K.: Never saw the movie. Never heard of it. Don't rilly want to. But from the immediate context, it's fairly obvious the line should go '...on spreading the blight in ever widening circles'. Just sayin'. :s |
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Feb-06-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> That's wonderful news. I feared Chabon might be banned in Israel for denying the existence of the state, or something. He's unique. Wrote three or four 'literary' novels, all extremely good, and all firmly in the Bellow/Roth tradition, a younger-generation take on the Jewish wing of the Great American novel. (The other wing is called Pynchon.) But then Chabon went meta, with 'The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay' -- literary fiction with a tragic-comicbook heart. Brilliant. And since then he's been revelling in the discovery of genres -- sci-fi, mysteries, detectives, irreal worlds, fabulous historic kingdoms ruled by Jewish kings under siege by Vikings (which is even historically accurate: the Khazars on the Caspian embraced Judaism sometime after the 6th century CE, and the Vikinger Rus came down the rivers in longboats ...) Anyhoo, enjoy. Best of a very fine bunch, is my opinion of what you got. |
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Feb-06-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> Annie is right. *Could* be either 'plight' or 'blight', I suppose, but something sounds wrong about 'plight' in that context. It's an active/passive mode angle: while the situation might be perceived as a plight, one doesn't talk of 'spreading' a plight. A blight, yes. And 'in ever-widening' makes sense.
How does she *do* that?
And why is Her Britannic Majesty's home dominion known as 'Blighty'? They *say* it's from Hindi 'bilayati' or Arabic 'wilayat' ... or even the old Turkish word 'vilayet', meaning a province. <Twas brillig in old Blighty
Where the lemmings sport and play
And the great queen mother's nightie
Was a chess piece out of play> |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: Looking in briefly this morning, and thanks <Annie>- I'm sure you're right, and it makes more "sense" as you and Dom explained (I kept feeling it didn't sound right, which drove me ...; "blight" being outside of my vocabulary reach, I fell into the trap, although I favor "never widening circles" as a metaphor, I prefer the sanity of correctly knowing the script/text, so thanks again. A lot. Well- off to the dentist now, and <Dom>, might I suggest to her, or insist, on a solely b/w setting...distanced and opiated...? In the end I'm more than glad I *did* ask, considering there was some embarrassment involved in admitting to failing to get "four words in a sentence" fit together properly. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Doctor Soundtrack> I wouldn't be embarrassed about that one- I was just thinking yesterday, again, about how irritating these film sound tracks are. I'm a native speaker and I miss words all the time in English language movies. Why?
They aren't recorded and mixed properly!!
Either that or there's too much wax in my ears.
You know what else? I have obscenely expensive headphones eh? They pick up every nuance. And you know on some of these multi-millionaire film productions, there are mistakes my headphones pick up. Specifically, "pops" on "p" and "f"-
They could have prevented this simply by wrapping a nylon stocking over a coat hanger and sticking it in front of the microphone. Seriously though, in theory shouldn't these productions have the best equipment available to humanity? I'm sure they have access to better headphones than I do. Although I did buy them off the internet under the search heading <world's best headphones>. whee |
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Feb-07-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: sport and play...
heh
Thanks for those encouraging words <Dom> I return tomorrow and I'm excited to see the students again. Bloody rugrats. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: <Jess> Nail on the head! I also cursed at the sound mixing/editing after 10+ rewinds, very much below par, and as you explained the 'p' sound I perceived in "plight" seemed so unquestionable that I assumed that to be a given. I remember Sinatra addressing his 'p' poppin when he was in a recording studio, saying, laughingly: "It's not that bad, is it? You know, I'm a 'sneaky p-popper'..." ;) And btw I was, most of that film, bothered by the inferior sound recording/mixing, which also showcases the visual/auditory channels that differ in perception and processing of cinema from one individual to the next. Thankfully. And I also understand much better Dom's preference for b/w films, to put it oversimplified. (Pressed for time a little.) |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: PS - apologies for that last paragraph, flawed syntax, minimum, but all I meant to show were my nods in agreement and understanding on Dom's earlier explanation: <[..] my memories are visual and impressionistic -- Walken's pale face, light and dark, cityscapes, black pools of blood -- with not much in the auditory dept.<<<I suspect our memories work differently that way>>>. I may not be literally 'tone deaf', by my visual memory is better than my auditory one. I was told this was why I was able to switch from writing about film to visual art, but had more trouble writing about radio.> |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels, Jess> I'm constantly amazed by the amount of detail and nuance in what you guys can hear. With the possible exception of accents, my auditory world is in black-and-white, by comparison. I'm reminded again of the man with synaesthesia, the Russian that Luria wrote about in 'The Mind of a Mnemonist'. Every word had its own colour, taste, smell. Do electric eels stun in colour? Do bats get pings from Echo and the Bunnymen? |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: <Dom> Have you ever heard of a hyped 90s therapy form called: Bad Cluster Elimination? "The first type of subconscious material belongs to the normal mode of operation of our brain. It is stored in our memory as the original events that occurred, together with the connected physiological content that determines our emotions. "It is processed by subconscious mechanisms that assign a code to every incoming piece of sensory data. These codes are stored in an index that enables our subconscious brain to use this data as comparison material for future experiences. "Everything we experience is stored in our brain in what we call 'clusters'. Our clusters determine how we feel and think about what we experience because they act as comparison material." http://www.worldsbestheadphones.org |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> I hadn't, actually. Thanks. Will explore. Just from your summary, I'm reminded of two things:
(1) Douglas Hofstadter in *Gödel, Escher, Bach* ... uses the word 'chunking' to describe the way the brain processes memories etc. (2) L. Ron Hubbard - way back when Scientology was still called Dianetics and hadn't become so, um, loony - talked about 'engrams'. A fairly primitive metaphor, though he managed to dress it as both science and religion. Apparently the sheer amount of data now coming in via brain scanning makes old theories date very fast, including most of what I've read. "That marble index
of a mind
Forever voyaging through
Strange seas of thought, alone."
I'm eternally amazed that Wordsworth could use 'index' like that in 1820. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: <Dom> Good points - I alluded to the many similarities in earlier studies in two posts I deleted, deleted cuz I thought they were too boring for ya, and then turned it into a prank with the fake link. I deserve punishment, or a cameo in a Abel Ferrara film... heh clusters, chunks, engrams, marble index, code assignment -- as usual you're right on the button. In a deleted post I compared the "therapy" to a cheap off-shoot of the decoding of Trauma Based mind control victims... <marble index> indeed, 1820??? Gawd how we've been dumbed down.
As you were,
The Vatican |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: <Engrams> Ever since I read a semi-fictional by Slavenka Drakulic: Holograms of Fear (1992), I am quite interested in (holo)grams - mainly because I knew precisely what she meant, but lacked the scientific backlog. Speaking of 'marble', she also wrote "Marble Skin" and How We Survived Communism and Even Laughed (1991) --
Balkan Express: Fragments from the Other Side of the War 1992 --
Cafe Europa: Life After Communism (1996) -- They Would Never Hurt a Fly: War Criminals on Trial in the Hague (2005) I read Holograms and Marble Skin, now curious about her follow up works. 'Marble' can of course serve as a metaphor on quite opposite ends of the spectre. I think all of this in essence ties back to The Addiction, and the vampire metaphore, or host-parasite as I see it now. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Frogspawn alert> It's official, folks. I got a showdown with Nigel S. lined up. Should we discuss an opening repertoire? Unfortunately, he plays the Black side of the French rather better than me, and he's lethal on the White side. I may have to become a Rat for the occasion. Or just stick to my Frog guns, but in some line he's never played? Choices, choices. It's only a 25-board simul, btw, but as I'm not playing in the subsequent tournament this was my only chance to play him. And it's such a very long time since I played in a simul. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> -- <'Marble' can of course serve as a metaphor on quite opposite ends of the spectre.>
Indeed it can, from Mike L. Angelo's 'Dave, with Weaponized Scrotum and Balls' to Rodin's portrait of Arnold Denker. In fact, it was only when I saw a gallery full of Rodins in Denmark that I realized he did multiple copies. And Nico, ex-Velvet chanteuse with numerous addictive traits, borrowed Wordsworth's line for an album, The Marble Index. Very chilly and beautiful, as is anything John Cale produced for her. Without his oversight, she could be terrible. Like the last voice echoing through the ruins of a cathedral half the size of Europe. Old world music, pale and frail, without a hint of Boogie Street. Uh, where was I?
I trust the visit to *O Dentisto* was satisfactory and as painless as possible. As my father once said to me - on hearing that one of my schoolmates was going to 'study' dentistry - "All a dentist needs is a strong right arm and an indifference to human suffering." |
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| Feb-07-11 | | achieve: <Dom> L'O Dentisto was an angel, showing me x-rays I could talk about and judge; she was right. I think Ferrara's message was mainly to show the images of mass graves and killings, next to an addiction of sucking people dry and draw a life
energy from them, individually. Once you're in, there's no way out. - I know, clearly, one half the truth, and that is one half more than they recognize - The old adage from Santayana,
- that those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it, is a lie - there is no history
- everything we are is eternally with us
"<sustaining> energy from that. Once you're in, there's no way out. He's likely right. Recent history proves it."
- see Jess' contributions at twinlark's |
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Feb-07-11
 | | chancho: <Dom> I throughly enjoyed how you responded to <Patzer2.>
He definitely had it coming. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Domdaniel: <chancho> Thanks ... but it's not as if one ever *gets* anywhere with these people, is it? And now I'm being stalked by last week's rodent. A vendetta, with hilariously misplaced delusions, but I'm also sick of it. |
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| Feb-08-11 | | achieve: He just now posted on the CG home page, and you could "settle" things there, asking for whatever ruling you think is appropriate. As Annie said I'm not sure what's most efficient of the three (if you include the whistle and email). <but it's not as if one ever *gets* anywhere with these people, is it?> How did that notion ever develop? The only positive from Rogoff discussions is to draw some information from "people", "these people", and either subvert or finetune (or something in between) your position on an issue, subject. Btw I read the discussion over at <Annie>'s and she avoids this place now for some reason - PING - which I find sad for her. I think here's all the breathing space she needs. As I hinted/indicated earlier. <Dom> I consider our talks as both personal as well as, per definition, public, and would email you on some issues but can't since we never exchanged pings. No luxury of choice. To me not a problem, since there is enough room here for everyone (with one or two exceptions ;)). If someone, a "regular", has problems with that or differing opinions then by all means speak up. Address me. Alternatives to that tend to be childish and harmful. |
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| Feb-08-11 | | technical draw: <Dom> Check this out. Pay close attention to level 6. Then see levels 7, 8 and 9. http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/E... |
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Feb-08-11
 | | Domdaniel: <tech> Confrontational, moi? I'm a reclusive wimp. Oh, ah, excuse me, bit slow there, you meant wotsisname. Yes, an interesting analytic system. And a sterling contribution to rodent psychology and citrusology. Shooting O'Range. |
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Feb-08-11
 | | Domdaniel: Meanwhile in MOCKBA, aeroflot open - named after the doors on their planes - begins. Gelfand wins a Q-vs-R ending, but Bologan runs into a fortress and finds no way through. It'll be nice when they open a discussion forum. Something odd is happening to CG. They're acting like they're suddenly woefully understaffed, or as if a key person quit, taking all the codes and contacts. I *do* hope Mr Freeman is still with us.
I've learned in RL not to sit tight while your neighborhood goes downmarket, and I'm not gonna do it here either. Let lemmings and trolls pick over the remains, cos I will have moved on. Frogspawn's first Little Nell. |
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Feb-08-11
 | | Domdaniel: <TD> Yep, excellent analysis of traits, though the examples given seem ... odd. I mean, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein -- right, we're talking dictatorial here? -- along with Glenn Close, Susan Sarandon and Sigourney Weaver? Either they're all secretly running tinpot dictatorships, or the author has a thing about actresses, especially in roles of strength. |
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| Feb-08-11 | | technical draw: The examples that are given are for all the levels of each type. So some examples are for level 1 of type 8. A rather confusing way to give examples. |
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