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Sep-25-11
 | | Domdaniel: There's one non-biblical hebraic story that really brings out the character of old YHWH. (Well, so does the 'shibboleth' incident, when he got his troops to kill everyone with a lisp...) This was the time the prophet Ezekiel visited heaven and saw those four-headed cherubim. He also saw Metatron *sitting down*, and gasped aloud, as none but the Lord can sit in heaven. And said "Lo, I see there are two powers in heaven". Of course YHWH was then psychotically jealous of Metatron, who had permission to sit on accounta his scribing work. But the Lord whupped him 80 times with a rod of flame, to prove to Zeke that he was just another dumb-ass angel who could be punished at will. |
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| Sep-25-11 | | dakgootje: The whole Exodus is fairly cruel as well. Hardening the Pharaoh's heart on purpose time after time - to ensure further showing of tricks, and thereby killing a large part of the Egyptian population |
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Sep-25-11
 | | Annie K.: Hmmph - yeah, so if we're good little boys and girls, we get to spend a literal eternity *standing up* in the pleasant company of, um, AJ's imaginary big brother (strong family resemblance there...)? Hell can't possibly be much worse. :p Yeah, the biblical god is one psychotic monster, no news there. Um, sorry, <Ohio>. ;) Thanks for the references - I'll take a look. I don't think Thessalonian can be found in the Hebrew edition - the original Hebrew bible is only the Old Testament, of course. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Annie K.: OK, Genesis 3 verse 24 mentions the Kruvim. In Modern Hebrew, that word means 'cabbages', btw. :p Isaiah 6 verse 2 mentions the Srafim, which are supposed to have 6 wings and apparently an extremely negative body image, since they use two of those wings to cover their faces, two to cover their legs, and only the remaining two to fly around. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Domdaniel: <Cherubim, Seraphim, Archangel. > There are *nine* types of angel in the texts. Thrones, Powers, and Dominions are another triad. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Domdaniel: < In Modern Hebrew, that word means 'cabbages'> As everyone knows, Bob Dylan studied Judaism in the 1970s before dabbling with born-again Christianity. This may explain the notorious line "Rosemary combed her hair and took a cabbage into town". Some literal-minded folk say this is a mondegreen for 'carriage', but what do they know? The song, curiously, is *Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts* - another for Lily's pirate hoard. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Annie K.: Incidentally, Lily was also the name of my paternal grandmother, whom I resemble to a startling extent. Ackshly the 'cabbage' thing sounds like "family slang" to me - every family has such "deliberate mondegreens", that usually start with some child's early mispronunciations that the adults find cute and adopt. I'd bet long odds this one came from Dylan's own family. Remember we once discussed slang evolution, and I said one way was by celebrities, who can easily introduce private terminology into general use? Didn't quite work here, but methinks it's still sortof an example. :) |
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Sep-25-11
| | Domdaniel: <A> Yeh, slang does that. But Dylan wasn't singing about cabbages: it just sounds like it. I hate cabbage, as an alleged food. Nasty green colour - I haven't eaten my greens in decades, except for chilis and green peppers. And a boiled-cabbage smell pervaded some of the houses I lived in, in 1970s bedsitland. Curious, now, to think of flat-dwellers cooking, but they did. The apocryphal meat and two veg figured prominently: none of 'em do it for me. I'd probably have died if the Indians hadn't arrived with a shipful of rice. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Annie K.: <But Dylan wasn't singing about cabbages: it just sounds like it.> I know, I'm reckoning that 'cabbage' was how some kid in Dylan's family once pronounced 'carriage' - probably the one in Cinderella or some such fairy tale. That is, I tend to agree with something much like the mondegreen theory, but I posit family slang as the origin. Besides, I ackshly checked that darn song out once, you've been going on about it so much. :p Heh = potatoes rule! ;) But I agree about cabbage, that stuff is fit to be rabbit food at most. |
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Sep-25-11
| | Annie K.: Hmmm, a pumpkin cabbage? The kid, whoever he was - maybe little Bobby himself? - had a point; there's some logic there... :D |
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| Sep-26-11 | | Shams: <The song, curiously, is *Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts* - another for Lily's pirate hoard.> A good song, but I've always thought it a bit out of place on the album. Which, if I may say so, is Dylan's finest work bar none. Even Robert Christgau was moved by it. |
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Sep-26-11
| | Domdaniel: <Shams> It was my favorite record for several years after it came out, and I still liked it when I went off Dylan somewhat. But the song that seems out of place to me is 'Meet Me in the Morning' - not sure why, it just doesn't seem to fit. Yes, Jack of Hearts is a Western-style narrative where most of the other songs have a more confessional side. But do they? Is it really any more or less personal than "It was in another lifetime..." or the magnificence of 'Idiot Wind'...? "There was no actor anywhere better than the JOH" ... a little self-mythologizing, maybe? |
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Sep-26-11
| | Domdaniel: From a new book, <Scapegoat: a History of Blaming Other People>, by Charlie Campbell: "The one thing we will not do under any circumstances is accept ourselves as we are. We prefer to find an explanation for why things are not perfect, and these rarely stand up to close scrutiny." |
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| Sep-26-11 | | WBP: Among the most moving verses in the O.T.: Song of Solomon 5.4. (though this ONLY works with the King James version) |
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Sep-26-11
| | Domdaniel: "Blame is not interesting."
- Ben Goldacre |
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| Sep-26-11 | | Shams: Goldacre has not yet gone through divorce. |
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Sep-26-11
| | Domdaniel: <Shams> Neither have I, as I don't believe in marriage. But I have lived with members of the other sex for extended periods - about five and nine years in the longer cases - and remained on good terms with both after we separated. No blame. Doesn't the I Ching say the same thing? Admittedly divorce involves law, alimony, property and children, all conducive to something being somebody's fault. I find recrimination pointless. Goldacre is a medical doctor with a genius for statistics. I understand why blame would not interest him. Blame is so *anecdotal*.
Tal, dance around a ring for a story. |
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| Sep-26-11 | | Shams: A Japanese saying that happily translates well: "Fix the problem, not the blame." |
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Sep-27-11
| | Domdaniel: I was trying to think of the perfect riposte when I saw that this was it. |
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| Sep-29-11 | | Everyone: can't complain! |
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Sep-29-11
| | Domdaniel: <Everyone> Thanks. I suspect, actually, that you *can* complain if you try hard enough - but on this occasion you have chosen not to. Much appreciated, ta. As long as <everyone else> doesn't find fault... |
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Sep-30-11
| | Domdaniel: Ah, Mark, Mark, stupid as ever.
You're an interesting specimen. How did you learn to read, insofar as you can? |
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| Sep-30-11 | | mworld: <Domdaniel> I think it was you talking about e6 as an opening move recently. So I was waiting on someone and played a quick game against my phone with it. I thought you'd get a kick out how confused it got =] %Created by Caissa's Web PGN Editor
1. e3 e6 2. Be2 Qh4 3. Nf3 Qg4 4. O-O Bc5 5. Ne5 Qe4 6. d4 Bb4 7. a3 Bf8 8.
Nd2 Qf5 9. b4 b6 10. Bb2 g6 11. e4 Qf6 12. Ndf3 a5 13. Qd2 axb4 14. axb4 Rxa1
15. Rxa1 Bh6 16. Ng4 Qxf3 17. Qxh6 Qxe2 18. Qg7 Qxg4 19. Qxh8 Kf8 20. d5 e5
21. Bxe5 f6 22. Bxf6 Qe6 23. Qg7+ Ke8 24. dxe6 dxe6 25. Ra8 Nxf6 26. Rxb8 Kd8
27. Rxc8+ Kxc8 28. Qxf6 |
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Sep-30-11
| | Domdaniel: <Mark> It's just *fear*, isn't it? You're afraid of people who know things you don't. Admittedly, this is practically everyone. Must lead to a lot of cold sweats. |
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Sep-30-11
| | Domdaniel: <mworld> Do excuse me, I was briefly distracted by a cretin. Yes, 1.e3 can provoke odd reactions from 'puters, as long as they're not too strong. Here's one I just played: [White "Dom"]
[Black "comp"]
1.e3 Nf6 2.b3 Ne4 3.Bb2 f5
4.f4 Na6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bxb5 e5 7.fxe5 Bc5 8.O-O f4 9.d4 Nf2 10.Rxf2 fxe3 11.Rf1 c6 12.Bc4 d6 13.dxc5 d5 14.Bd3 Qe7 15.Nd4 Nb4 16.Qh5+ 1-0 |
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