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| Apr-02-12 | | MarkFinan: Dom, have you seen todays "quote of the day", on the front page? I only know who that author is because i had a friend who read his books, but he assured me he's really good..
Then i noticed you mention him a few times too.. Did he used to have a drug problem, or write about drugs, because i really can't see the guy who recommended one of his books to me, reading any books that aren't drug related! |
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| Apr-02-12 | | frogbert: mark, think i must've been falling asleep when you asked for a game last night. didn't notice your request until now anyway ... |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: And I didn't notice the quote. Was it Burroughs? Pynchon? Trocchi? If it was Burroughs saying something like "What is chess anyhow that it should consume a man's life?" ... then CG got the quote from me in the first place. I found it in his collected letters. I don't like the phrase 'drug problem' as all so-called drugs are different. Some are directly habit-forming or addictive (such as heroin and other opiates, which trick the brain's endorphin receptors); others are indirectly addictive (such as cocaine, which I consider the most dangerous mood-altering substance, along with alcohol), and some aren't addictive at all (hash, weed, most hallucogens). I've taken pretty much all of these, some just a few times, others for years. I'm still here. Don't try this at home, kids.
Burroughs, as you'd expect from the author of 'Junkie', had a longtime heroin habit in his youth, and wound up on a methadone program in Kansas in his 80s. I don't think he considered this to be a 'problem', and it didn't stop him writing. As for Pynchon, I have no idea what drugs he has taken. He doesn't talk about himself. But he comes across as a wise old All-American Doper, like a cross between Einstein and the Furry Freak Brothers. Burroughs said that coming across like a wise old guru was easy. He called it 'the mahatma con'. Yep, I've been doing it for years. |
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| Apr-02-12 | | frogbert: according to memethecat, it was burroughs. :o) |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: < it was burroughs> I thought so. I found that quote in one of his letters to Allen Ginsberg, and passed it to <mack>, who sent it to CG along with other obscure chess quotes. It's the only time Burroughs comments directly on chess -- trust me on this, I have about 50 of his books. But elsewhere he describes a match between two chessmasters (Baghdad, 1917) where the winner -- was it Kurt Schlemiel? -- drives the loser insane by humming "I'll be around when you're gone" 30,000 times. I don't think FIDE rules would permit this, though it may explain why Kasparov lost to Kramnik. |
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| Apr-02-12 | | boz: Does this count? It's from Nova Express:
<"Yes of course and the statuary-City Of Marble Flesh Grafts-I envisage a Mayan Ball Court with eternal youths-and over here the limestone bookmakers and bettors changing position and pedestal-slow ebb of limestone luck-and just here the chess players-one beautiful the other ugly as The Ugly Spirit-playing for beauty-slow game of vegetable centuries"> |
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| Apr-02-12 | | frogbert: <I have about 50 of his books> and you're still mostly sane. impressive! |
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| Apr-02-12 | | Memethecat: <frogbert: <I have about 50 of his books> and you're still mostly sane. impressive!> Agreed, very impressive. The one book I read was like trying to get your head around the most elaborate chess puzzle http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puz... but with no page you could turn & see the answer. Yes! those tricky little photons, I've read they can bend around large masses and are affected by time, or the other way around. Still, very comfy to sleep on. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <I have about 50 of his books> ...
<and you're still mostly sane. impressive!> Yep. What's more, I actually *read* those books, even the extremely cut-up ones. I was going to write a doctoral dissertation on Bill, back in the day. My drugs researches were, well, research. But then I realized that any such project would involve reading his books *again*, so I abandoned the idea. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Meme> -- <Still, very comfy to sleep on.> We like this. You are clearly a spreader of good memes. One of Mr Burroughs' later books was called 'The Cat Inside'. Just saying. |
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| Apr-02-12 | | dakgootje: <I have about 50 of his books> Not counting study books - I'm quite far from even having 50 books. 20? 30 if I look everywhere perhaps.. I used to read a lot - but then the internet happened. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <frogbert> I think -- apropos Norwegians, Irish, and the French Defence -- that *excessive* harping on about nationality is a bit naff. You wouldn't support (cheer on, root for, etc) Magnus Carlsen *just* because he was a fellow Norwegian, would you? I thought not. That's normal in the case of those of us who live in 'normal' countries, with non-psychotic ethnicities. We don't actually *care* that much. This is something that some people have trouble understanding -- especially if they come from places where psycho-nationalism is still in vogue. Dare one mention the Philippines? Armenia? Back in the 1950s, the writer Brendan Behan said "Most people have nationalities, but the Irish and the Jews have psychoses". Ironically, those two groups have now largely grown out of the syndrome, but other psychotics have moved in to fill the gap. This should not, however, prevent us from exchanging useful data -- stuff we happen to know -- about the countries we happen to live in. As regards the French, it's never been very popular here in Ireland -- yet, at any point since Wolfgang Heidenfeld in the 1950s, at least one leading player was always a dedicated practitioner. Maybe 'people who play 1.e4' should be regarded as an ethnic group -- a violent, intemperate one. And those who play the French are their traditional enemies. |
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| Apr-02-12 | | MarkFinan: Dom, *All* drugs are problems, and i'd better not get started on that subject as i know more than most here about that.. So to keep it short and sweet, decriminalise *all* drugs.. Thats just my own personal opinion..
And regarding all this rating malarky... You're right.. I think unless you're 2200+(with an ego!), you can beat some 1400 player one day, and lose even easier to the same guy the next.. Im just not going to pay attention to ratings anymore, its been getting to me psychologically, which means i lose before iv'e even started the game.. When i was a kid there was a tournament every summer holidays held at a local school. Yorkshire U-16, U-13 and U-10's strait knockout championship.. The format was you get drawn against another player, you lose, you're out!! Then you'd just play for fun for the weekend..
Only one winner and runner up in each category...
I'd enter each cat, and i'd breeze the U-10's and U-13's, but i'd always notice that if it was someone who already knew me, especially this one kid who played board two at my school, they'd kinda throw the towel in before the game began! Wheras if it was say, Leeds U-13's best player, we'd both be a bit weary of each other, but because there was no rating for a schoolboy my age back then (not from what i recall anway, and if so im sure id have known mine!) i had no real fear of any other kid.. My problems began when i started playing older kids who's voices had broke etc..lol.. I felt like i was playing a grown man, and didn't really expect to beat them.. Although sometimes i still did! So its mostly psychological i guess..
Well it has been on my behalf recently anyway.. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Mark> Agree about decriminalisation ... prohibition is the real problem. As it sez in my manifesto, "combinations and chemistry are your only men". Could I also suggest, for your own sake, that you put all those youthful chess successes to one side. We know you were good, you know you were good ... but *be here now*, if you know what I mean. I've found that thinking like "I used to be good at this" doesn't help much in the present time. It interferes, when you should focus on the current situation. Chessically, I mean. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <dak> Tut, tut. What on Earth is a "study book"? Some kind of leather-bound furniture with blank pages, used for decorating a chap's study? If a chap *had* a study. Books are machines for living in. Many are boring, of course. But I usually got by without reading the ones that people expected me to read, and following the meme trails. |
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Apr-02-12
 | | Domdaniel: <frogbert> *Another* avatar? Now you look strangely ... Swedish. Is this one of those infamous Scandinavian identity crises, measured in Angstrom units? Oh, right. Ångström. |
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| Apr-02-12 | | MarkFinan: It just annoys me Dom.. Iv'e "only" just turned 37, and wasted most my life, and chess *was* the only thing iv'e ever been good at.. Im proud of what i did, why shouldn't i be, and its not like i mention it everyday, but please don't put me in the class of a Goldsby, because no matter how good i *was*, im still honest enough to admit id never have got near to making a living out of it... Im not deluded! |
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| Apr-02-12 | | MarkFinan: And i think frogberts new avatar has subliminal meanings lol.. Im sure TP's already sussed it though haha.. |
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| Apr-03-12 | | MarkFinan: Yeh, i think what iv'e said could be percieved as "bragging", and i do realise you're trying to help me mate, but i really wasn't, as i have nothing to brag about.. I just thought the "story" kinda fit into the point i was trying to get across, about ratings, and the psychology of ratings, and the problems im trying to overcome right now... I can only relate to my life, and my experiences, so i used that as an example.. Even in my bio, i only give it a quick mention!
Plus my games what i post here are for all to see, so im not exactly claiming to be chuffing Carlsen lol.. In future i'll keep the "chess tales of yonder", to a minimum, but id still love to tell you some life stories, and vice versa with yours, as you're an interesting guy and i think we'd enjoy each others tales?? I'll ask the admins to *wipe* my initial bio under the handle <markcf> though, because that *does* look like im bragging, but i was really naive then, as id just joined... But i am a genius (i joke i joke :)) |
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Apr-03-12
 | | Domdaniel: <MarK> First, I didn't mean to suggest that you were bragging -- the thought never crossed my mind. I don't think there's anything wrong with you mentioning your chess success when you were young. But I thought that - maybe - you yourself were focussing on it too much, perhaps to the detriment of *now*. Looking back is not good, as I'm sure you know. Second, you haven't wasted your life. It may be hard to believe, but you're still pretty young at 37. I moved cities in my mid-30s -- I was 'doing a geographical', if that phrase rings any bells for you. Fresh start away from bad influences, and all that. This followed a series of catastrophes that weren't as different from your experiences as you might think. Point is, I made the mistake then of thinking I was 'too old' and 'washed up', with my best days behind me, etc. Somebody suggested that I should go back to university and finish the PhD I'd abandoned years before. A woman wanted me to come with her to an interesting part of the world. All kinds of opportunities turned up ... and my response was 'Nah, I'm too old for that' ... But I wasn't. And it took me nearly 20 years to understand that. Now I'm over 50, but I'm not too old anymore. As Old Bob sez ...
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now... " Just remember: at 37 you still have a lot of future, if you want it. And you can still influence what happens in it. I know people who totally reinvented themselves in their 40s. Last point. *Everyone* in the <Frogspawn Massive> is a genius. I make it a condition of membership. Only geniuses are interesting enough, rilly ... Heh. |
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| Apr-03-12 | | dakgootje: <What on Earth is a "study book"? Some kind of leather-bound furniture with blank pages, used for decorating a chap's study? If a chap *had* a study.> Whereas I do not own chaps - I do have a study. It so happens to be my bedroom as well. And working space and storage unit. Very multifunctional. Not much leather-bound furniture abound though :(
I've never lived in a book - but I'll remember the hint if I ever become homeless. |
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Apr-03-12
 | | Domdaniel: <dak> You're right, of course. Leather is for wearing, not making furniture out of. I must've had a momentary taste lapse. Yes, even me. |
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| Apr-03-12 | | frogbert: dom, some "trivia" is more than trivia - or less possibly, if it's someone's imagination only. you might not care too much, possibly you're not going to apply for a regular a4 job again. anyway. these days future employers might run your name through an internet search engine before they decide who to interview. now, if someone has posted that "Terry McPratchy has been using the internet to bully, harass and threaten people for years" it might cost dear Terry an interview and a job. these things end up in search engine indexes, you know. and if someone writes such slander only to get Terry in trouble or to blackmail, then we're dealing with something much worse than annoying "trolling", whether oldskool or newskool. give it a thought. |
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| Apr-03-12 | | MarkFinan: Hey <frogbert> I wander if thats why the guy *insists* on either saying, or asking for your real name?? If that's true, and if he knows it,(and they are *BIG BIG* ifs, btw) i find that nothing short of evil... Thats really messing with some honest bloke's lively hood, over a dispute on a chess site!!!! I think i'd better stay schtum from now on, regarding this...... |
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| Apr-03-12 | | Memethecat: I just caught the name of your forum, so when you said "welcome to <frogspawn>" you were talking to me & not some other inmate. Your kind hospitality is appreciated. I reckon most people get a bit spooked as they approach/reach 40 (I did). Your youth has gone & it ain't coming back, you've probably contemplated your mortality & the forecast is terminal, you make little grunty noises when you stand up & an ailment or 2 might of made an appearance, its a lot to come to terms with. But it has the potential to be the best of times. You've taken lots of paths that took you places you didn't want to go, so you can avoid them. You know what you like, what makes you happy/content & what don't. Your aware of your faults, so you can now start to accept who you are, warts & all. Acceptance is a big one for me, makes you impervious to insults, "Your a bloody cat" yes! I know, well spotted. Give me the clarity of me 40s over the confusion of my 20s any year of the day. I'd like to join in the D&A conversation too, but don't want to over-impose my pov. |
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