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Mar-05-09
 | | kwgurge: <capafan> Don't worry about me. I'm thick skinned and didn't take offense anyway. :-). I think the problem is that I, at least and no doubt others, never had a clue that there was any intention or plan to follow a baseline beyond move five. The "plan" as I understood it was to get a Semi-slav. After that which line to play was never a part of any plan I was aware of. It was always my understanding that the purpose of <kutztown's> baseline was for use in the assigning of forums and NOT for a deep line for the Team to follow. Why would anyone agree to follow a Fritz (I believe) line. The mixing of a baseline for forum assignments and one to be followed in actual game moves is, IMO, a source of confusion and potential danger. At this point, IMO, no one should any longer be following a baseline, but should instead follow the deeper sliding analysis wherever it leads. |
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Mar-05-09
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<The "plan" as I understood it was to get a Semi-slav. After that which line to play was never a part of any plan I was aware of.> Agreed.
<After that which line to play was never a part of any plan I was aware of. It was always my understanding that the purpose of <kutztown's> baseline was for use in the assigning of forums and NOT for a deep line for the Team to follow.> Yes, that's right. I hope that my disclaimers are sufficient to disabuse anyone of the notion that I am endorsing the <base line> as the line we should play. However, definition of a <base line> is central to the forum methodology that I am using for this game. <Why would anyone agree to follow a Fritz (I believe) line.> Huh? Where did that come from? I have repeated numerous times that in the opening, I am using the most often played line in my database of high level games to define the base line. In the near future, I will transition from my database to <RV> analysis to define the base line. Fritz has nothing to do with this process. I have not even run my Fritz since the GMAN2 game ended. <The mixing of a baseline for forum assignments and one to be followed in actual game moves is, IMO, a source of confusion and potential danger. At this point, IMO, no one should any longer be following a baseline, but should instead follow the deeper sliding analysis wherever it leads.> I agree with the last half-sentence but I don't understand your point prior to that. |
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| Mar-05-09 | | capafan: <kutz>Based upon the feedback I am getting from <kwguruge>, <Dan> and others, I want to revise my earlier suggestion. Our base line should be the line that, based on the number of posts, by the senior analysts (activity) is getting the most attention. For example, this appears to be <Dionyseus>'s current line: <7...b6 8.e4 b4 9.e5 Nd5 10.Ne4 Qb6 11.Re1 h6 12.Be3 Ba6> You may, based upon your database, consider this to be an "aggressive" line, the evals seem to disagree and it appears the more played lines seem to be either drawish or lead to white advantage. The problem in following a database so long into the opening is that newer theory is not weighted sufficiently...statistics go back a long way and are not weighted to show the best current line...this is why, with Rybka 3, many of the analysts are disregarding tried and true lines because the computer evals are not optimum. I want to run this by you before officially making any change... |
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Mar-06-09
| | kwgurge: <capafan> and <kutz> Clarification acknowledged and accepted on the Fritz to Database correction. To clarify the point <kutz> referred to, it appears to me that <capafan> is saying that there is some "baseline" which the Team should be following or which may be unduly influencing the voting, rather than there being a basline only for <kutz> to use in organizing the forums. IMO, these two concepts should be completely seperate. Any possible confusion should be clarified. The mere designation of particular lines as safe, aggressive, or Baseline is bound to have an effect on voters. IMO, this is not a good thing. |
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Mar-06-09
| | kutztown46: <capafan>
Several points:
1) I understand and to some extent share your misgivings about using the database to define our base line, especially as we get deeper into the opening. That's why I asked your opinion earlier about the best way to transition away from the database. 2) I have the highest regard for you and all the other analysts who are doing the heavy lifting for the team. My objective with the forum system is to provide a framework in which the serious analysts can thrive. As such, the forum system should be a servant of the team, not the other way around. The changes to the forum system this game are intended to help the analysts, not hinder them. 3) I am receptive to changes which I am convinced will be a further help to the analysts. 4) Having said all that, the analysts should try to follow the system. I have not followed your forum closely, but to the extent that 7. O-O b5 8. e4 b4 has been discussed, that discussion actually belongs in the <Creative Alternates> forum, as 8...b4 has been played less than 10% as often as the most popular move. My posts have specifically mentioned 8...b4 as a candidate for discussion at the Creative forum. 5) I think a reasonable alternative to using <RV> as the base line is to use the most discussed line. So I am receptive to your idea, with a few caveats: I do not want to see the base line changing every few hours, as additional discoveries are made in the analysis. I will not be able to keep up. Also, I want to avoid a situation where your's is the only forum used, and the other three hosts see no action at all. Analysts should be willing to move to another forum if new ideas take us away from the base line. So here is a counter-proposal:
How about if we define the base line as the line with the most nodes on the Analysis Tree? It turns out that if I apply that method at the present time, the base line (next 10 ply) would be <7. O-O b5 8. e4 b4 9. e5 Nd5 10. Ne4 Qb6 11. Re1 h6>, which happens to agree with the line you suggested. After each move, I will check the AT and post what the current base line should be, based on the number of nodes. If you are agreeable to this, I will post on the main page what the new base line is. What do you think of that? |
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Mar-06-09
| | kutztown46: <kwgurge>
I don't want to rehash pages and pages of discussion that led us to the forum system in use for this game. However, central to the methodology in use now is the concept of a <base line>. Previously, we called it a <main line> but we thought that implied an "official" endorsement of a particular line. So we call it a <base line>. It is intended as a starting point. This forum will probably get the most traffic, but if the analysts follow the system, the other forums will get traffic, too. Other than my regular disclaimers that the definition of a <base line> should not be interpreted as official endorsement of that line, I don't know what else I can do. As to your discomfort with designating other lines as aggressive, careful or creative, I'm afraid we are stuck with that for the time being. The only alternate I can think of now is to abandon the new system and go back to the old, more centralized system, where I assign moves or short lines for each forum. I really want to give the new system a fair shot before we give up on it. |
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| Mar-06-09 | | capafan: <kutz>What a great idea to use the AT...this will encourage the team to post their analysis to the tree and use the tree more than I believe they do... In addition, the AT should reflect the latest and greatest rather than merely a main line and is not so much subjective to a forum host. Maybe <jepflast> can rig a methodology for posting on the first page of the AT what the current base line is...a comparison of this and <RV> latest line should give a very good indication of where we are at any point in time...you *are* an organization genius! |
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Mar-07-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 7. a4> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for Aggressive Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Careful Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <7...Bb4 8. O-O O-O 9. Qc2 h6 10. Na2 Be7 11. Qxc4 Qa5 12. Bd2>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line, as well as all deviations from this line by white. Alternate moves by us will be considered by one of the other forums. The following alternate moves for us have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the <Aggressive Alternates Forum>, the <Careful Alternates Forum>, or the <Creative Alternates Forum>. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. 7…Be7, Qa5, a5, c5
8…a5, Qa5
9…Qe7, a5, Qa5, Nb6, Nd5
10...none
11...none
Please note that I do not plan to be the arbiter of whether one of these moves should be considered aggressive or careful. That should be decided by the analysts and forum hosts. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | Waitaka: <kutztown46> I would like to inform I will no longer host the computer pool forum, or any other forum for the chessgames.com challanges. I have not decided yet if I will close my forum or use it for something else. Algthough I believe this forum was a good idea, to use the World Team computer resources, somehow it did not worked the way it could. Maybe this forum just needs a better host or a better ambassador, I don't know. Anyway I would be happy if anyone takes over this task. |
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Mar-11-09
| | kutztown46: <Forum System Announcement> I would like to announce two changes.
First, I now recognize the base line to be <8. O-O O-O 9. Qc2 a5 10. Rd1 Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5>. Discussion of this line will be hosted by <capafan>. As always, my recognition of a <base line> should not be construed by anyone on the team as an official endorsement or preference of this line. The designation of a base line is purely an administrative matter to help the forum system to work smoothly. Second, I am implementing a suggestion made by <imag> yesterday. Effective immediately, I am abolishing the <Aggressive Alternates> forum and the <Careful Alternates> forum. I am replacing them with the <White Alternates> forum and the <Black Alternates> forum. I wish to retain the <Creative Alternates> forum at this time. So I am not completely adopting the suggestion of <YouRang>. Here is the new list of forums and hosts:
Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October As before, the forum host duties are subject to change. For example, if GMMU plays a move which is not in the base line and for which there is analysis at the White Alternates forum, then <mckmck> and <capafan> will switch roles. This will maximize continuity of the posted analysis. Discussion at the <Base Line> forum should only be about the base line. Deviations for white or black within the next 10-ply as shown in the base line designation should be discussed at the White Alternates forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates forum will continue to be the place to discuss human ideas for us which do not fare well with engine analysis. Let me know if there are any questions.
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Mar-13-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 8. O-O> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is < 8…O-O 9. Qc2 a5 10. Rd1 Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 9. Na2
10. Na2
11. Bf4, Ne5
12. none
13. Nc3
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 8…Qa5, a5
9…h6, Qe7, Qa5, Nb6, Nd5
10…h6, Nb6
11…Nb6
12…none
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Mar-16-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 8...O-O> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <9. Qc2 a5 10. Rd1 Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 Re8>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 9. Na2, Bg5, h3
10. Na2, Ne5, h3
11. Bf4, Ne5
12. none
13. Nc3
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 9…h6, Qe7, Qa5, Nb6, Nd5, Re8
10…h6, Nb6
11…Nb6
12…none
13...exd4, h6, Rd8
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Mar-19-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 9. Qc2> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <9…a5 10. Rd1 Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 Re8 14. e4>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 10. Na2, Ne5, h3
11. Bf4, Ne5
12. none
13. Nc3
14. none
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 9…h6, Qe7, Qa5, Nb6, Nd5, Re8
10…h6, Nb6, Qb6
11…Nb6
12…none
13...exd4, h6, Rd8
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Mar-22-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 9...a5> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is < 10. Rd1 Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 10. Na2, Ne5, h3, e4, Ne4
11. Bf4, Ne5, Bg5
12. e4, Bf4
13. Nc3, e4
14. none
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 10…h6, Nb6, Qb6
11…Nb6
12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14...none
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Mar-25-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 10. Rd1> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <10…Qe7 11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 11. Bf4, Ne5, Bg5, e4
12. e4, Bf4
13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 10…h6, Nb6, Qb6
11…Nb6
12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
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Mar-28-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 10...Qe7> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <11. Na2 Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 11. Bf4, Ne5, Bg5, e4, Nb1
12. e4, Bf4
13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 11…Nb6
12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
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Mar-31-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 11. Na2> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <11…Bd6 12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8 16. Bb2>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 12. e4, Bf4
13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1
16. Bxc6
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 11…Nb6
12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
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Apr-03-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 11…Bd6> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <12. Qxc4 e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8 16. Bb2 Bg4>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 12. e4, Bf4
13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1, b4
16. Bxc6
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
15…Bg4, Bd7, Re8, Nce4
16…Nce4, Re8 |
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Apr-04-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 12. Qxc4> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <12...e5 13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8 16. Bb2 Bg4 17. h3>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1, b4
16. Bxc6
17. Rab1
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 12…Re8
13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
15…Bg4, Bd7, Re8, Nce4
16…Nce4, Re8 |
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Apr-07-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 12…e5> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <13. Qc2 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8 16. Bb2 Nce4 17. e3 h6>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 13. Nc3, e4
14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1, b4
16. Bxc6
17. Rd3
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
15…Bg4, Bd7, Re8, Nce4
16…Bg4, Re8
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Apr-10-09
| | kutztown46: <Guidelines for Analysis Forums after 13. Qc2> <All forum hosts keep the same theme> Forum host for Base Line Forum: User: capafan Forum host for White Alternates Forum: User: mckmck Forum host for Black Alternates Forum: User: dalbertz Forum host for Creative Alternates Forum: User: Red October The <Base Line> in the opening phase of the game will be defined as the 10-ply line from the current position that has received the most attention from the team, as measured by the number of nodes posted on the Analysis Tree. Let me make very clear that I am not claiming this line to be the best for either side, and I am not advocating that we play it. The forum system in use for this game requires that we define a base line. The <Base Line> for this position is <13…exd4 14. Nxd4 Nc5 15. b3 Rd8 16. Bb2 Nce4 17. e3 h6 18. Nc3>. The Base Line Forum will consider this line. Alternate moves by white or black within the next 10-ply will be considered by the White Alternates Forum or the Black Alternates Forum. The Creative Alternates Forum should be used for moves which are human ideas and which do not evaluate well using engine analysis. The following alternate moves for white have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the White Alternates Forum. 14. none
15. Be3, Nc3, Rb1, b4
16. Bxc6
17. Rd3
18. f3, Rac1
The following alternate moves for black have been posted on the Analysis Tree. If there is interest in any of these moves, they should be discussed at the Black Alternates Forum. 13...Re8, h6, Rd8
14…none
15…Bg4, Bd7, Re8, Nce4
16…Bg4, Re8
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| Apr-13-09 | | capafan: <kutz>Thanks for trying...you went far and beyond the call. It is for the team to now decide where to go from here without a cohesive strategy other than the AT. Maybe this will lead to changes on the AT that we discussed, maybe not. Thanks again for your diligence, patience and commitment. I hope you will continue to remain active and will continue to correspond. |
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| Apr-14-09 | | hoodrobin: <kutztown46> I've always been thinking of your hard work and your A-level job, togheter with <zanshin> and <hms123> lately.
Thanks <kutz>!
We can still win, but it's perhaps a bit more difficult now.
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| Apr-14-09 | | lost in space: Thanks <Kutztown46> for all your work and efforts for estabishing a working forum system(including discussions prior to the UMAN game how to optimize the forum system etc.). You made a world-class job! I was always trying to utilize the forum system (and will continue to do so when the forum system will be reborn (I am sure it will be reborn)). I evaluate such absolute team oriented work much higher than analyse work. So: Thanks a lot |
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Kibitzing
A majority vote for 1-0 means we resign. 