| Jul-25-03 | | ughaibu: Do you think this one really finished here? |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: I don't think it is, although the position has a ton of tactical possibilities. I would say black could hold on easily with a bishop move, either Bb6 or Bb7. I am interested to see what Crafty has to say. |
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Jul-25-03
 | | Sneaky: I think it might have, only I don't think the result is 0-1. Some GMs might view this as a dead position and therefore call it a day. See Razuvaev vs Geller, 1988 same game, only 1/2-1/2 |
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| Jul-25-03 | | ughaibu: Thanks for pointing that out Sneaky. It's interesting that both games say 14.Ne4 is check(!?) the other version gives a draw after Rc7 which means Geller offered the draw, as his position looks significantly worse to me offering a draw would be a breach of etiquette. The mystery deepens. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: Hmm, very interesting. I think black should try to keep his dark squared bishop with 15....Bb6. If he plays anything else and allows 16 Nxc5 there is Bb4 to pin. This gets tricky. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | ughaibu: After Bb6, Bb4 still looks strong to me. White will get a pin on either the a3-f8 diagonal or on the d-file, in conjunction with Nd6 it looks like a tiresome afternoon for Geller. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: Yes, Bb4 is still very strong. I hadn't considered Nd6 yet. It does look bad for Geller. 15...Bb7 doesn't look very good either. Perhaps ....Rd8 is best. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | ughaibu: If Rd8 how about Ba5 if black replies Bb6 then Bb4 again. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: After that, would Nc5 reduce the pressure on black? |
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| Jul-25-03 | | ughaibu: Doesn't Rdc1 win the exchange? |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: Wow, black is just screwed. Has anyone run this through an engine yet? Why is that other game a draw? Is this really a win for white? Can black hold on? All this and more, next time! |
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Jul-25-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: If 15...Rd8, then 16.Rac1 and the game is over. I don't see any good move for black. 15...Bb6 16.Bb4+ Kd8 17.Nd6 Rg8 (What else? Black is unable to cover f7. Black knight cannot move as then 18.Nxf7 is a doublecheck and 17...Rf8 18.Nxc8 is also hopeless.) 18.Nxf7+ Ke8 19.Nd6+ Kd8 20.Bh3 is evidently lost for black. After 15...Bb7 16.Ba5 Bxe4 (16...Rcc8 17.Rxd7+ Kxd7 18.Nxc5+ Rxc5 19.Bxb7 is not better.) 17.Bxc7 Bxg2 18.Kxg2 white is an exchange up and the win is only a matter of time. So I guess that Geller really resigned after 15.Bd2. |
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| Jul-25-03 | | pawntificator: Thanks Honza!!! Good to see you again, too! So can you explain why the other game Sneaky pointed out is a draw? Is that an error? |
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Jul-25-03
| | Honza Cervenka: <pawntificator: Is that an error?> I think so. |
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| Jul-27-06 | | Mendrys: Just an FYI. The other game mentioned above was the mistake. This is a clear win for white. Well, clear enough for these guys. I would probably find a several ways to screw it up before converting the win. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | heizfeld: yeah, it´s finished. black looses the bishop on c5 without compensation.
death sentence in this league. |
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