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|Nov-19-12|| ||Nosnibor: <brankat><Conrad93>To put the position into a proper perspective Gellers positive results against World Champions were:Smyslov +11=34-7 Petrosian +6=33-2 Botvinnik +4=5-1 Fischer +5=2-3 Thus making 4 positive results.Against Tal he scored equally +6=23-6.His remaining results against the other three WC`s are:-Spassky +6=22 -9 Karpov+1=5-2 and Kasparov +0 =3-1.Giving an overall total of+39=127-31.His negative results came in the later years of his life.No other GM that I am aware of has prformed so well against WCs over an active chess period of 50 years.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||maxi: Such stats (if true) make a strong case for Geller's strength.|
According to the CG database, Geller-Keres stats are +7 =21 -10.
|Nov-19-12|| ||RookFile: I see what you mean. Geller was so strong that he lost a match to Keres and had a lifetime negative score against him. |
Geller defeats 8 world champions, Keres defeats 9.
The moral of the story is, if you do less than the other guy, you're a stronger player.
|Nov-19-12|| ||maxi: Nope. I was emphasizing what I have said in the past, that Keres was a very tough customer.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||RookFile: I thought your post was fine, maxi. Thanks.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||maxi: I realized you were kidding, but also that my post had been overly laconic and unclear.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||notyetagm: <wordfunph: 1970 The USSR Versus The World:
At one time during his game, Efim Geller had three cigarettes going simultaneously.|
Geller putting on a simul. :-)
|Oct-21-13|| ||tedceldor: It's the style. Petrosian admitted he has problem with Korchnoi, but Korchnoi didn't make it to the top because not all players play like Petrosian. Just like Fischer who has also problem with Geller, but Geller's wild play will not also work against iron Tigran. He he he, that's the beauty and wonder of Chess.|
|Oct-21-13|| ||RookFile: I think Petrosian and Korchnoi split a couple of matches, with Petrosian winning the first and Korchnoi the second.|
|Oct-21-13|| ||TheFocus: Korchnoi also won the third match between them.|
|Oct-26-13|| ||FSR: <tedceldor: ... Korchnoi didn't make it to the top because not all players play like Petrosian.>|
That's a vast oversimplification. Korchnoi played two matches for the world championship against Karpov (1978 and 1981), and a third <de facto> world championship match against him (1974; Karpov became world champion the following year when Fischer forfeited the title). Korchnoi lost the 1974 and 1978 matches by just one point. Had one or two games gone differently, he could have been world champion. Not blundering away Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978 and Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978 in time trouble would have a good start. In retrospect, it might also have been a good idea to never play anything but the French against Karpov's 1.e4. (Karpov never won a single game in those matches when Korchnoi played the French, but often won against other defenses. Karpov's lifetime score against Korchnoi's French was one win and nine draws. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...)
|Oct-26-13|| ||nok: Otoh the final scores suggest closer matches than they really were, with Karpov's habit of losing focus once he'd jump to a nice lead.|
|Oct-26-13|| ||FSR: Wins in later games of a match count just as much as wins in earlier games.|
|Oct-26-13|| ||keypusher: <Just like Fischer who has also problem with Geller, but Geller's wild play will not also work against iron Tigran.>|
Did you see nosnibor's post?
Against Petrosian he scored +6=33-2.
Also, Geller's <wild play>??
|Oct-26-13|| ||parisattack: Not too many books on Geller's games but featured in McDonald's 'The Giants of Power Play' and Beim's 'How to Play Dynamic Chess.'|
I think those sum up Geller's style quite well - dynamic power player.
|Oct-26-13|| ||TheFocus: <paris> Here is a good collection of his best games by Geller. Superb analyst.|
Game Collection: The Application of Chess Theory - Geller
|Oct-26-13|| ||FSR: Here is the complete list, with links:
Versus Euwe (tied): +1 =0 -1 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Botvinnik (+3): +4 =7 -1 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Smyslov (+3): +11 =37 -8 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Tal (tied): +6 =23 -6 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Petrosian (+2): +5 =33 -3 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Spassky (-4): +6 =22 -10 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Fischer (+2): +5 =2 -3 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Karpov (-1): +1 =6 -2 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Kasparov (-1): +0 =3 -1 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Anand (-1): +0 =1 -1 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Versus Khalifman (if he counts) (tied): +0 =1 =0 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Geller's total score: +39 =135 -36 50.7%
|Oct-26-13|| ||parisattack: <heFocus: <paris> Here is a good collection of his best games by Geller. Superb analyst.
Game Collection: The Application of Chess Theory - Geller>|
Yes, wonderful book. Miss the old Pergamons - almost all winners.
There is also a Russian 'Black' Geller and Grandmaster Geller at the Chessboard.
But still not much about him out there. Put it on your list 'to do' <TheFocus> - right after Fischer, Pillsbury and Breyer! ;)
|Oct-26-13|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: God that's crazy that he played both Euwe and Anand.|
|Oct-26-13|| ||FSR: A decent player, but no Wesley So.|
|Oct-26-13|| ||parisattack: <FSR: A decent player, but no Wesley So.>|
This is true! :)
|Oct-26-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: for those wondering what <parisattack> means|
<There is also a Russian 'Black' Geller and Grandmaster Geller at the Chessboard.>
it is (I presume!) a reference to a whole series of Russian books devoted to the games of a certain Soviet player and not just the more famous (GM) players from the USSR. Nicknamed "the Black books" because of the cover, which had a Photo of the player in question.
|Oct-26-13|| ||parisattack: Yessir and thanks <SimonWebbsTiger>!|
The 'Black' series is about the only source for Soviet era GMs who were never famous or well-known in the West.
Karel Mokry has them at decent price though postage from the Czech Republic can be dicey - www.chessbookshop.com. He occasionally has full or nearly full sets available. Certainly one of the nicest and most reliable dealers in the business.
It would appear you also have the 'chess book bug' yes? If so, may the Force be with you! :)
|Oct-27-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<parisattack>
thx for the heads up on Mokry. I have been using buying quite a few books through an old friend's business http://chessbooks.co.uk/
Geller's "Application of Chess Theory" is one of many treasures I have bought through Tony over the years.
Yeah, I have a book bug but my Collection is not even remotely close to being as impressive as yours, sir!
|Oct-27-13|| ||parisattack: Thank you <SimonWebbsTiger> I will add chessbooks.co.uk to my list of dealers.|
I've bought/sold with Karel Mokry for 10+ years and have always had a good experience - save when U.S. Customs held four large boxes of Moravians and I got stuck for $200 in fees. :) (Obviously not Karel's fault, of course!)
I've recommended him to many collectors and no one has offered anything but praise for him.
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