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Jun-17-10
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| rapidcitychess: Happy Birthday Petrosyan! |
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Jun-18-10
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| wordfunph: Tigran's passion next to chess is football. |
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Jul-02-10
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| smurph: What did Kasparov learn from playing Petrosian.I think he said without his losses to petrosian he would never have become WC but what was it that he learned? |
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Jul-02-10
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| tamar: "Tigran Petrosian also taught me some unforgettable lessons in our games, played in Moscow and Tilburg in 1981" Kasparov vs Petrosian, 1981 Moscow Kasparov vs Petrosian, 1981 Tilburg "They vividly demonstate Petrosian's amazing ability to defend cramped positions and unexpectedly switch to a counterattack. And yet initially everything went very well for me! At 18 years of age I was a kind of lightminded d'Artagnan, who was galloping eagerly towards Paris, but who along the way suddenly encountered the hardened and cunning 'stranger from Meung'..." |
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| Jul-02-10 |
| Jim Bartle: Thanks, tamar. |
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Jul-02-10
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| tamar: Your welcome, <Jim Bartle>. Those two annotations by Kasparov and in general the whole section on Petrosian makes On My Great Predecessors worth having. There are some more excerpts quoted in the kibitzes from the Tilburg game. I suspect it was writing about his favorites, Petrosian, Alekhine, and Botvinnik that induced him to undertake the massive series, and those parts are thrilling to read. The other sections bear more signs of ghost-writing and cribbing from others' annotations, which is understandable but still disappointing. The best section on any non-title holder is without a doubt Rubinstein, who Garry links in his intuitive style to Petrosian. |
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Jul-02-10
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| smurph: Thanks Tamar,
I have the book and read these passages but I am don't get it.He learned that cramped positions have lots of possibilities?I find that hard to believe that he did not know this before.He was number 2 in the world at this time I think.He had spend many hours in discussions with Petrosian as well.I feel as if something is hidden from us here |
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| Jul-02-10 |
| Jim Bartle: I would suggest there's a difference between knowing something in theory, and having it demonstrated to you so brutally, twice. |
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Jul-02-10
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| smurph: Thanks Jim
You might be on to something there but I wish I could see how his play changed after this.It is beyond me. |
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Jul-02-10
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| tamar: <smurph> Petrosian was pretty much the only one to clobber him this drastically. Yes it is true, Kasparov knew and expressed dissatisfaction with some of his unsound attacks when he was younger- like the Bh5 idea in Kasparov vs Polugaevsky, 1978 but he usually still scored the point and began to believe he could sweep everything before him just by understanding complications better. I think in 1981 he experienced some reversals, and these games with Petrosian in particular became a symbol to him that he was not self critical enough. |
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| Jul-03-10 |
| SpiritedReposte: Great pic of Iron Tigran cg.com. |
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Aug-09-10
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| whiteshark: CL&R: <"What are your current ambitions?"> Petrosian: <"I never had ambitions and I never will! This is my happiness and my unhappiness." <>> Chess Life & Review, 1973 p. 69-70
credits to: http://mattnetz.de/ |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| drnooo: Still, all in all, when you look at the clammoring that always arises when one here starts slapping down his
top ten, look at how seldomly Petrosian is on that list, a veritable parade of lesser lights perhaps, only perhaps, but a large perhaps, that simply were not his equal. He still may be the ultimate purloined letter here, the thing hidden in plain sight, for a while
simply the hardest man to beat.
Frankly I am not sure where to place him. Even Spassky and Smsylov said they could never guess his moves.
Fischer couldn't solve him till Petrosian had started to decline, and
few others. Only that other enigma, Geller seemed content to sit across the board from him with any calm. But then Geller could beat practically anyone, including Fischer, except Spassky.
Let's just say I feel guilty in not placing Petrosian among the ten best that ever pushed wood anywhere any era. |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| Lt.Surena: drnooo wrote": Still, all in all, when you look at.." Winner of TWO Back-to-Back World Championships on top of 4 Soviet Championships etc, etc. Piece of cake, wouldn't you say? Maybe, he should have gone into exile in a cheap motel in Pasadena after winning his 1st world championship in 1963 and claimed insanity. They would have called him a genius, the best ever. Then he would not have left such a profound impression on the future world champion, Kasparov after their 1981 game. |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| I play the Fred: <Petrosian in 1976 rated Ljubojevic's chances of becoming a world championship contender as higher than Mecking's, although both GMs were at that time young superstars. He also mentioned Ulf Andersson and he stated "I hope he will awaken one day"> Very funny stuff. Ulf never did manage to liven up his game, did he? |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| Petrosianic: What's so funny about that? "Hoping he will awaken some day" isn't exactly going out on a limb. A lot of predictions don't pan out. Spassky had thought that Balashov was going to be big. (He was successful but not hugely so). One top GM (I don't remember which one) predicted that Oleg Romanishin would be in the Candidates Finals by 1980. There's nothing funny about it unless the prediction was ridiculous from the get go. Like Reshevsky's prediction that the 1965 US Championship signalled other US players beginning to close the gap on Fischer. That wasn't a reasonable hope. |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| I play the Fred: <What's so funny about that? "Hoping he will awaken some day" isn't exactly going out on a limb.> I read that as "Andersson's style is too cautious right now.", though of course I could have read that wrong. But if I did read that right, then when Petrosian evaluated Andersson in this way, maybe Ulf really needed to liven up his game. It would be like someone like Shirov saying "That guy needs to cool it with all the sacrifices." Funny to me considering the source. |
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| Aug-12-10 |
| Petrosianic: Yeah, there's no denying that. On the other hand, Petrosian did manage to win enough to become World Champion, while Andersson, despite enormous talent, never made it into the Candidates, so there's some truth to the statement. But also some irony, as you point out. |
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| Aug-15-10 |
| stanleys: http://pikucha.ru/247438/1.jpg
Petrosian vs Fischer (apparently a blitz game during Bobby`s visit in Moscow) |
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Aug-15-10
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| TheFocus: According to an article (from Russian sources) in the New York Times when Bobby was in Russia, Bobby scored 60% against the Russians. It was only Petrosian who could hold Bobby back, although they were pretty close in score. It is curious that later the Soviets tried to downplay Bobby's strength at blitz chess, when he was clearly scoring consistently well against them. Usual Soviet propaganda. I like this picture. I will use it in my book about Bobby. |
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| Aug-19-10 |
| Grantchamp: 1072 draws!! I guess that is what you get for being a strong positional player. |
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| Aug-30-10 |
| echever7: That's curious. There are many games missing everywhere. But there's one worth mentionig. Pachman-Petrosina Portoroz 1958. Petrosian sacrificed his Queen and won beautifully. Can you post that game? |
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| Aug-30-10 |
| I play the Fred: <Bobby scored 60% against the Russians [in blitz]. It was only Petrosian who could hold Bobby back, although they were pretty close in score.> It's a shame blitz isn't more respected in the chess world; Petrosian's legacy would be even greater if his prowess at blitz was more well-known. But if you dig around through enough books, you'll find numerous references to Petrosian's great strength in five-minute chess. |
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Aug-30-10
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| Eric Schiller: Even Petrosian had some bad days at blitz, it is easy to be distracted. I caught him on an off day at Bugojno 1982. He was losing to everyone that day. Must have been the food or something. |
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| Aug-30-10 |
| I play the Fred: <Even Petrosian had some bad days at blitz, it is easy to be distracted. I caught him on an off day at Bugojno 1982. He was losing to everyone that day. Must have been the food or something.> Oh, I could see that. In <TheFocus> anecdote from above, Petrosian was around 30; in 1982 he was 52-53. I'm not surprised he had lost some of his blitz ability by then. In Kasparov's MGP #4, GK passes along a comment by Petrosian (via Tal) about Fischer: "He plays blitz like I used to ten years ago", to which Tal added, "...and everyone remembers how strong the young Petrosian was at blitz." This was in reference to that blitz tournament in 1970 or so when Fischer just lapped the field. <Dr. Schiller>, I realize you're likely aware of these stories; I post them here for those who may not be familiar. |
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