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|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: <"Yes. I pointed out what the claim was made about, not whether it's right or wrong.>
<He was recognized as the hardest player to beat in the history of chess by the authors of a 2004 book.>|
It's time to burry this myth, once and for all. Btw, his play against Fischer was at times really strong, despite his losses. I don't think his level had deteriorated. I am not sure why two different standards are to be applied, with regards to Petrosian and Kasparov.
|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: Why didn't petrosian and korchnoi like each other?:)|
|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: I forgot to add: 2001, Kasparov, <0> losses. And you guys came up with one year of no losses for Petrosian...|
|May-31-14|| ||PhilFeeley: <Granny O Doul> Send the photo to Kevin Spraggett. I'll bet he could identify a few more. |
Better yet, send it to Kashdan or someone else in the US chess community. I'll bet they could identify the players and a lot of the spectators.
|May-31-14|| ||PhilFeeley: <The Rocket: Why didn't petrosian and korchnoi like each other?:)> I don't think Korchnoi got along with anybody.|
|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: Haha, that might be true. He even detested Karpov - one of most laidback, and nicest guys you could ever meet. At least that's my impression of Anatoly. A fan came up, wanting Korchnoi to sign a book of his, and korchnoi refused since Karpov was on it:) It was on youtube. The guy filming cracked up.|
|May-31-14|| ||Granny O Doul: Not to take sides in their dispute, The Rocket, but perhaps Karpov did not see you as quite so much of a rival. |
I hope that "Kashdan" is the handle of someone on this site. Otherwise, I'm afraid we've missed the boat there. I will hazard one more guess--Candido Tirado for the balding bearded turtlenecked guy behind Simon. But, maybe not. I also believe the boy with the longish straight hair, arms folded, is pictured in the Saidy-Lessing "World of Chess", sucking on a lollipop while playing either Spassky or Mednis. And leanings over Simon is Simon's cousin, I'm told, but he is someone I never met.
|May-31-14|| ||Petrosianic: <The Rocket>: <Why didn't petrosian and korchnoi like each other?:)>|
<I don't think Korchnoi got along with anybody.>
It's partly that, but also, Petrosian was the editor of "64" magazine. So, when Korchnoi started getting in trouble, a lot of his official condemnation went through Petrosian's office.
|May-31-14|| ||offramp: <The Rocket: Why didn't petrosian and korchnoi like each other?:)> Tigran's wife was also very abrasive.|
|May-31-14|| ||Granny O Doul: Even if Petro and Korch had begun as buds, meeting in four consecutive Candidates cycles would put a strain on any friendship.|
|May-31-14|| ||perfidious: Most notably an article titled, 'Unsporting, Grandmaster'. It was after the appearance of that piece that Korchnoi got suspended from the privilege of playing foreign tournaments for a year.|
|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: Petrosians wife was a mean bitch. She was personally responsible for fischers defeat opposite an IM in 1970, if we are to believe the reports. Having heard her husband discuss the game, and finding a winning continuation for black, she relayed the information to fischers opponent.|
|May-31-14|| ||The Rocket: Someone asked before about Petrosian and his calculative abilities. All strong calculators are good tacticans, but not all tacticans are strong calculators. That's the best way I could put it. Petrosian and Korchnoi were very strong calculators, as evident from their defensive abilities.|
|May-31-14|| ||ughaibu: "She was personally responsible for fischers defeat opposite an IM in 1970, if we are to believe the reports." |
The reports have zero credibility and are insulting to Kovacevic.
|May-31-14|| ||zanzibar: <perfidious> and <Granny O Doul> thanks for that information. I really like both the face and pose Petrosian is striking, and the audience is pretty fun too.|
The board on the left seems to be doing pretty well:
click for larger view
(And Black should draw)
The game against Simon's is more difficult for me to make out, but I'll try:
click for larger view
And if that's right (note I'm guided by the pieces off the board too) then the game is about even. But this game looks a little bit livelier.
|Jun-01-14|| ||The Rocket: <ughaibu>
Why would you fabricate such a story? Somethings are simply too absurd, (while still grounded in reality) not to be true.
Apparently Korchnoi witnessed it.
|Jun-01-14|| ||ughaibu: "Why would you fabricate such a story?"
Are you seriously asking me why anyone would make an excuse for Fischer?
"Apparently Korchnoi witnessed it."
Are you unaware of how many times Korchnoi has cried wolf? That a story comes from Korchnoi gives that story "zero credibility".
Think about it, this story claims that Fischer allowed a spectator to whisper a sequence of moves to his opponent during the game. Not a random spectator, Petrosian's wife. Surely you know what an utter bitch Fischer was to even the most harmless of spectators, for example, those who unwrapped chocolate bars while he was playing.
|Jun-01-14|| ||The Rocket: Yes. Why would a random spectactor, or whoever the informer might be, fabricate such a story?|
|Jun-01-14|| ||RedShield: <Tigran's wife was also very abrasive>|
5 o'clock shadow?
|Jun-01-14|| ||Sally Simpson: This tale has always had me worried as well.
This scenario does not fit.
"OK Bobby, just like you asked. The audience are roped off 20 metres away. The lighting has been improved and players wives are allowed to wander around the boards."
However the Korchnoi story goes the game was a postponed game and he and Petrosian were watching the game from a cafe.
They saw the trap and Petrosian's wife told Kovacevic about the trap whilst he was walking about.
And that to me is the twister.
Fischer had set a trap.
Kovacevic (to move) is walking about?
A good story though and no matter how many times it get de-bunked it's in chess lore forever.
|Jun-01-14|| ||The Rocket: I think the story is true. People envision it in a dramatized way. He simply overheard the move, and possibly it's intentions.|
|Jun-01-14|| ||RedShield: You think you debunked it?|
|Jun-01-14|| ||ughaibu: So, Rona was "personally responsible" but Kovacevic "simply overheard the move". Nonsense, and still insulting to Kovacevic.|
|Jun-01-14|| ||The Rocket: Yeah, she didn't shut up.|
|Jun-13-14|| ||zanzibar: <RE: Petrosian's US simuls>|
<Perfidious> recalled Petrosian visiting Boston area in the late 1970's.
Here's some low-quality pictures of him giving a Boston-area simul in spring 1982:
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