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|Nov-08-12|| ||alexmagnus: < "He [Petrosian] learned to play chess at the age of 8, though his illiterate father Vartan encouraged him to continue studying ..." "Petrosian was orphaned during World War II and was forced to sweep streets to earn a living." "He used his rations to buy Chess Praxis by Danish grandmaster Aron Nimzowitsch ..." "At 12 years old (1941), he began training at the Tiflis Palace of Pioneers ...">|
He learned chess at 8 but according to some accounts he didn't play a tournament game until he started training at 12. Which makes him, to my knowledge, the world champ with the latest first tournament game (excluding, maybe, Steinitz).
|Nov-08-12|| ||EdZelli: What an effort by TheFocus. Thank you !
Great creative players of the 60's are no
longer with us (Tigran, Bobby, Tal, Gligoric, Bronstein, Botvinnik, Sammy, ..) but their memory lives on.
|Nov-27-12|| ||Naniwazu: Petrosian seems to have had a very solid, defensive style of play. Prophylactic, yes, but not active like Karpov. Take for example the following game Petrosian vs Stahlberg, 1953. Stahlberg tries in vain to breach Petrosian's impregnaple position, but Petrosian merly consolidates it to the maximum not allowing any counterplay. You can learn a lot about defense from studying the games of Petrosian! I suggest reading the book 'How to Defend in Chess' by Colin Crouch. In it he analyzes a number of games by Petrosian and Lasker which illustrate common defensive themes.|
|Nov-27-12|| ||perfidious: <Naniwazu> Botvinnik once compared Petrosian to Karpov in that way, stating that Petrosian first saw to the absolute security of his position before undertaking anything positive, but that Karpov would not wait, choosing instead a more active method.|
|Nov-27-12|| ||Naniwazu: <perfidious> Here's a nice quote I found by Botvinnik on Petrosian:|
<He is not the most talented or the strongest player but certainly the most inconvenient player in the world! His ambition is not to play actively, but to paralyse his opponents intentions.>
Botvinnik must have been on the receiving end of some of that solidity considering he had a negative score of 7 to 4 with 21 draws against Petrosian.
|Nov-27-12|| ||perfidious: <Naniwazu> That is a quote I have never seen, but it surely is a fine description of Petrosian's approach to the game.|
|Nov-27-12|| ||drnooo: for me, not precisely sure who said it
or if that's exactly the quote, but it goes something like this very very simply:
"He was always able to keep his opponents
at HIS distance"
|Nov-27-12|| ||drnooo: oh, also who is da femme fatale doing the
pronunciation at this site?????????
|Nov-27-12|| ||drnooo: and while we're at it: very amusing that apparently Smyslov had no trouble with the ole Tiger in their heyday: very convincing record against him right on through the fifties and sixties when Petrosian himself said he was at the very peak of his powers.
Had a plus score against him.|
|Jan-02-13|| ||Conrad93: Did Petrosian ever write a book on the King's Indian?|
|Jan-13-13|| ||leka: Botvinnik Najdorf Reshevsky Keres are not the players from 1960s their are the older genaration|
|Jan-13-13|| ||leka: Tigran Petrosian played 68 games without a loss.In the chess olympiads Petrosian record 78 wins 50 draws one loss to Huebner in 1972.Petrosian only one loss out of 129.Kasparov lost 3 times out of 82 games in the chess olympiad|
|Feb-15-13|| ||IndigoViolet: <Soon after becoming champion, he shared first place with Paul Keres in the first Piatagorsky Cup in Los Angeles in 1963>|
Did he win any tournaments outright as world champion?
|Feb-15-13|| ||MTuraga: Petrosian was a deep player who baffled opponents. He was criticized for his many draws but even strong opponents like Botvinnik and Tal failed to grasp his contribution to chess. He was the pioneer of defensive art of chess who was a victim of a hostile press during his lifetime. Petrosian's exploits were brought into sharp focus during the official Petrosian year - 2004, the 75th anniversary of his birth. A re-evaluation of his games has revealed that his legacy has been seriously underestimated and he is now regarded as one of the most sophisticated World Champions. His methods are now taught in chess schools in Russia. |
He won the following tournaments after he became World Champion: 1964 - 1st Buenos Aires; 1st Moscow Unions Ch; 1966 - 1st Moscow GM tournament; 1968 - 1st Moscow Ch; Team & individual gold medal Lugano Olympiad; 1972 - 1st San Antonio GM tournament; 1973 - 1st Las Palmas; 1st IBM Amsterdam; 1975 - 1st Soviet Ch. 1976, 1st Lone Pine; 1977 - eliminated from candidates by Korchnoi.
Unlike Fischer, Petrosian keenly felt his duty to his club, country, fans and the PUBLIC, and carried on playing chess until he dropped. His humble beginnings and his ultimate achievements are awesome and inspiring to anyone who wishes to be successful in life.
|Feb-15-13|| ||IndigoViolet: Oxford Companion (2nd ed.): <During his championship years Petrosyan competed in seven strong international tournaments; he played as a champion should at Los Angeles 1963, scoring +4 =9 -1 to tie with Keres for first place, but his only other first place was at Buenos Aires, when he scored +8 =9 and again shared victory with Keres.>|
|Mar-03-13|| ||DrNyet: In 79 pages of kibitzing in this forum perhaps this has been said before, but one measure of Petrosian's strength is this: In the FIDE controlled world championship cycle (i.e. after Alekhine's death) Petrosian was the first to successfully defend his title by actually *winning* against the next challenger (defeating Spassky in 1966).|
Botvinnik never actually won a title match other than rematches. He successfully "defended" his title by drawing his 1951 and 1954 matches and regained the title twice after losing it. Of course by the time Petrosian won the title in 1963 the right to a rematch was no longer available to Botvinnik. How different chess history might have been if the champion had not had a right to a rematch from 1951-1961.
|Mar-03-13|| ||Jim Bartle: "Botvinnik never actually won a title match other than rematches. He successfully "defended" his title by drawing his 1951 and 1954 matches and regained the title twice after losing it."|
I believe Botvinnik in all his world championship matches actually had a slightly negative score.
|Apr-06-13|| ||The Rocket: Keres vs Petrosian, 1959
He may not be the strongest world champion, but this game of his was a very determined and systematic win as black. One of the all time great 0-1 wins, in my opinion.
|May-27-13|| ||alexmagnus: Petrosian btw is the only world champion to have played in all WC cycles (Interzonal or its equivalents or higher) since his first qualification for a WC cycle. That is, he competed in cycles which ended in WC matches of 1954, 1957, 1960, 1963, 1966, 1969, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1981 and 1984.|
Tal came close in this nomination, be he had to leave out one cycle - the one which led to the 1972 match - for health reasons.
|Jun-17-13|| ||brankat: R.I.P. Tigran the Champ.|
|Jun-17-13|| ||EdZelli: We remember the World Champion today. He would have been 84 today. Gone too early. Rest in Peace ...|
|Jun-17-13|| ||KlingonBorgTatar: Happy Birthday Champ. You are always included in my daily prayers . Thanks for teaching us that by taking draws , we win a half point and not lose a half point. There is no honor lost in remis. Your Caro-Kann game vs Duckstein* will be forever etched in my heart. Happy B-day and RIP.|
*And many more!! Kasparov - Petrosian, Moscow 1981 and Tilburg1981, Olafssson - Petrosian Bled 1961, Petrosian-Cardoso Portorozh 1958, Fischer-Petrosian 13th round Curacao 1962, Andersen -Petrosian Copenhagen 1969, etc etc etc. : D
|Jul-20-13|| ||wordfunph: "I remember a joke about Petrosian: after a loss, he was said to draw five or six games until he felt like moving a piece past the third rank again."|
- GMC Jonathan Berry
|Oct-22-13|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Game Collection: Petrosian vs the World Champions Decisive Games|
|Nov-29-13|| ||Chessman1504: Petrosian, the Stupendous Tactician. Petrosian is often stereotyped as a positional player who disliked complications, but I know Spassky begged to differ and said he was foremost a tactician. Now, I want to know exactly what this means, because I've also heard that tactics and calculation are not the same thing, which confuses a patzer like me. Therefore, my question is: When people describe Petrosian as a tactician, do they mean to praise his prowess at calculating deep variations or are they praising his ability to find tactical ideas that increase his positional foothold or both? I ask this because Kramnik said positional play was not necessarily his cup of tea, as opposed to say Smyslov. I also want games to show Petrosian at his tactical best in both calculating deep variations and finding neat ideas to increase his positional hold.
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