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|Mar-18-15|| ||WDenayer: Petrosian was one of the strongest chess players of the 20th Century. Fine had to be nuts or frustrated to say such a thing, but, hey, this is chess, people say anything. I didn't look up any statistics, nothing can be proven either way, it's just opinion: in my opinion Spassky was the weakest WC. We can all talk a lot about the WC match of the Century, but Spassky played some seriously poor games in 1972 and later, against Karpov, the difference showed. I do not believe that Euwe was a weak WC: he beat Alekhine and all the talk about alcohol is nonsense that never seems to die (by all means read Meunighof's biography - Alekhine was not drinking during the WC match). In 1937 Alekhine was better prepared and more motivated, while Euwe was working on other things, such as keeping his family alive in a depression, working as a teacher during the day and working on this research in the evenings. And yes, he was also world champion - he basically had 3 jobs, Spassky had 1. When he went to Iceland he was in great shape: he had played a lot of tennis as well as a lot of poker and read a lot of novels (this very bitter comment is Geller's, but I don't doubt it's true, even Karpov himself said so (see chessbase interview a couple of weeks ago)).|
|Oct-10-15|| ||The Kings Domain: I like how the game comes to life after a staid opening. It seems all the cliches regarding Petrosian are all too revealed here.|
|Mar-28-16|| ||notyetagm: <leka: Tigran Petrosian played 68 games without a loss.Also T.Petrosian in the chess olympiads 78 wins 50 draws <<<only one loss to Huebner in 1972.>>> He was a worty world champion>|
That sole loss(!) was on time due to a faulty clock. Petrosian smashed it with his hands after he lost.
|Mar-28-16|| ||offramp: <notyetagm:...
That sole loss(!) was on time due to a faulty clock. Petrosian smashed it with his hands after he lost.>
I heard it was with his teeth.
|Mar-29-16|| ||Granny O Doul: Have we ever seen a photograph of that clock? Pre-smash?|
|Oct-01-16|| ||offramp: <Granny O Doul: Have we ever seen a photograph of that clock? Pre-smash?>|
Only post-smash, unfortunately.
|Nov-02-16|| ||PaulMeysman: Petrosian was according Fischer one of the best players ever. Here in this kibitz I see some Americans saying the opposite. Why doesn t one see that if one becomes world champion that one deserves it to be, to have been and once been always will be (have been). If one wins against Kasparov while one's sun is setting... But if you do not see the marvelous play of a tiger, are you then a real chess player, amateur or rather a posh wannabe amateur?|
|Nov-02-16|| ||PaulMeysman: Amateur is meant as someone who loves the game of Latin amare.|
|Jan-24-17|| ||TerryMills: A beautiful game. Often I have played through a game of Petrosian and said to myself "I could have done that"; he makes it look so easy.|
|Jan-24-17|| ||offramp: <PaulMeysman: Amateur is meant as someone who loves the game of Latin amare>|
How do you play the game of Latin Amare?
|Jun-08-17|| ||Petrosianic: <maxi>: <I don't understand why would Fine say something so stupid.>|
Fine was intensely jealous of all the world champions, including Fischer, whom he also supported. Fine left chess because he couldn't make a good living at it (which was smart of him), but he always regretted it.
|Jun-08-17|| ||keypusher: <maxi: "Petrosian is probably the weakest player who has ever held the world's championship and successfully defend his title.">
I thought I was familiar with Fine's quote, but I never saw the qualifier at the end before.|
Sorry to be indelicate, but:
Botvinnik (does he even belong?)
Who on that list is weaker?
|Jun-08-17|| ||Howard: Botvinnik, granted, never "defended" his title successfully---the only two WC matches he won were ones in which he was the challenger.|
Petrosian, in my view, was certainly a better player than Euwe--no ands, buts, or ifs.
|Jun-17-17|| ||maxi: <offramp> Actually Petrosian smashed the faulty clock with his tail.|
|Jul-14-17|| ||Howard: This game, if I remember correctly, made Soltis' book of the 100 best games of the 20th century.|
|Jul-14-17|| ||Petrosianic: Fine's quote is from his (poorly analyzed) book on the Fischer-Petrosian match. It contains NO qualifier about "successfully defended his title".|
|Jul-14-17|| ||maxi: Now you have put me in a quandary, Petrosianic. I seem to recall I used a cut-and-paste for the quote, but this was more than three years ago and I am not sure of that or where I got it from. I don't have the book. Do you have access to it yourself? I am going to keep looking anyway. Perhaps what I copied was the quote with some editing done to it. Oops.|
|Jul-14-17|| ||morfishine: I think Petrosian did this not once, but twice to Spassky|
|Jul-15-17|| ||perfidious: <morf>, perhaps you are thinking of the finish of Petrosian vs Simagin, 1956.|
|Jul-15-17|| ||morfishine: Thanks <perfidious> you are correct, I much appreciate the correction, I knew Petrosian pulled this type of combo off more than once|
|Sep-13-17|| ||Whitehat1963: Great high-level look at the Opening of the Day, in an immortal championship game no less!|
|Oct-11-17|| ||tpstar: <Upon further review, it still appears to be magnificent. And to pull this off in a world championship match is even more remarkable.>|
I wonder where this combination would rank among all WC match games.
<That sole loss(!) was on time due to a faulty clock. Petrosian smashed it with his hands after he lost.>
Now that would have been something to see.
|Oct-11-17|| ||Howard: According to CL&R, Petrosian actually threw the clock across the room, and it was "witnessed by millions on Yugoslavian television".|
Petrosian, in other words, didn't necessarily smash up the clock.
|Dec-05-17|| ||Jambow: Because of his positional motif it is easy to forget how brutally tactical Petrosian could be when the position demanded it.|
|Oct-11-18|| ||RookFile: Spassky said that first of all, Petrosian was a stupendous tactician.|
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