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Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian vs Ludek Pachman
"A Real Problem Move" (game of the day Oct-03-2018)
Bled (1961), Bled YUG, rd 6, Sep-10
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1-0
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Annotations by Robert James Fischer.      [15 more games annotated by Fischer]

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Jul-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
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Jul-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: Too famous of a game to be a puzzle. It might work if you go with just the position and leave out the players names; but probably not since the move is so obvious anyways

Long Live Petrosian!

Even though he's dead

*****

Jul-02-16  Joseph Blackcape: Even if you don't know the game, 19. ♕xf6+ looks too tempting to pass with White's dominant black-squared Bishop and centre control and once you start analysing it, it soon turns out that once you play it, mate is just around the corner.
Sep-08-16  PJs Studio: But his games live on morphshine! Although he did die young, he was past his prime
Sep-08-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <YouRang....Mixing the 3rd rank with the 6th is a dead give-away that you grew up with the old descriptive chess notation....>

As we English and Spanish-speaking players all did, well into the seventies.

Sep-09-16  Howard: Several of my (old) chess books are in descriptive, in fact.

Remember the ongoing debate in Evans' column back in the mid-70's, as far as which notation was superior ?

CL&R was entirely descriptive through 1977, and then in 1978, it was a mixed bag---some of it was in descriptive, and some was algebraic. In the early part of 1979, probably the only part of it that was descriptive were the last 15, or so, games of Karpov-Korchnoi, 1978. Once that match was fully covered, it was entirely descriptive after that.

Sep-09-16  Petrosianic: The whole debate about which was "better" was silly, since International Notation was, by those standards, better than either Descriptive or Algebraic, but nobody was advocating it.
Sep-10-16  Howard: Reminds me of a letter someone wrote to Evans during that aforementioned debate in which the reader pointed out that both systems were easy to learn, and then he added, "Learn both systems and shut up."

Evans replied, "Tradition dies hard."

Jan-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sularus: nice sac.
Jan-07-17  AlicesKnight: Familiar, but pleasurable to see again, as gems often are.....
Jan-07-17  Abdel Irada: ∞

<perfidious: <YouRang....Mixing the 3rd rank with the 6th is a dead give-away that you grew up with the old descriptive chess notation....>

As we English and Spanish-speaking players all did, well into the seventies.>

In the mid- to late 80s, I played at Mechanics' Institute in San Francisco, a club with many colorful "characters."

Among them was a retired firefighter, Paul Vayssie (who, in fairness, was in his seventies). When he wasn't busy complaining about positional "chicken chess," he kvetched about algebraic notation and "alphabet soup."

Jan-07-17  ColeTrane: A rock hound like me loves this pun....
Jan-07-17  RandomVisitor: Black is ok up to 11.Nb3


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

<0.00/33 11...b6> 12.d4 Ba6 13.Bf4 Qc8 14.Ne5 cxd4 15.Nxd4 Nxd4 16.Qxd4 Bb7 17.Bxb7 Qxb7 18.Rad1 Rac8 19.Qd7 Rc7 20.Qd2 Nd5 21.c3 Rd8 22.Bh6 Bxe5 23.Rxe5 Rcd7 24.Rde1 f6 25.Rxe6 Nc7 26.Qe2 Nxe6 27.Qxe6+ Rf7 28.Qe8+ Rf8 29.Qe6+ Rf7

Jan-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place
Jan-07-17  RandomVisitor: As mentioned earlier, 18.Qxf6+ works, as in 18...Kxf6 19.Be5+ Kg5 20.Bg7


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

+M7/46 20. ... Qc6 21.Ne5 Kh5 22.g4+ Kg5 23.f4+ Kxf4 24.Bxc6 Kg5 25.Re4 Kh4 26.Kg2 bxc6 27.Nf3+

+M5/46 20. ... Qxc4 21.bxc4 Nf5 22.Re5 f6 23.h4+ Kg4 24.Re4+ Kh5 25.Bf3+

+M4/46 20. ... e5 21.h4+ Kg4 22.Nxe5+ Kh5 23.Bf3+ Bg4 24.Bxg4+

+M3/46 20. ... Nf5 21.f4+ Kg4 22.Ne5+ Kh5 23.Bf3+

+M3/46 20. ... Nc6 21.h4+ Kg4 22.Ne3+ Kh5 23.Bf3+

Jan-08-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: When it comes to descriptive or algebraic <[the correct name is <standard>]> notation, it helps to be fluent in both.

Here's an example where descriptive is better:
<A fianchetto is when you play P-N3 followed by B-N2.>

In algebraic that is
<A fianchetto is when one plays b2-b3 or g2-g3 followed by Bb2 or Bg3 as White, or ...b7-b6 or ...g7-g6 followed by ...Bb7 or ...Bg7 as Black.>

Jan-08-17  ughaibu: <Here's an example where descriptive is better: <A fianchetto is when you play P-N3 followed by B-N2.> In algebraic that is <A fianchetto is when one plays b2-b3 or g2-g3 followed by Bb2 or Bg3 as White, or ...b7-b6 or ...g7-g6 followed by ...Bb7 or ...Bg7 as Black.>>

So, descriptive is better because one avoids mistakes such as "Bg3"? Or algebraic is better because you write "one" instead of "you"?

Jan-08-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <So, descriptive is better because one avoids mistakes such as "Bg3"? Or algebraic is better because you write "one" instead of "you"?>

LOL superb! That is why I don't use - in fact that that is why no one uses - descriptive! I have read magazines read by experts and there are ALWAYS error in descriptive. I am not joking, it is like one error for every three games.

Jan-16-17  Howard: Regarding offramp's point, it just goes to show that Chernev could be very superficial in his commentary. I'm surprised he didn't point that out in his TMICOCEP.
Mar-09-17  Dirkster: Games like this remind me why chess can be so damn BEAUTIFUL!!!
Dec-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Looking in the archives, I see this game could be the first ever GOTD on <cg> (Jan/26/2002). Well, there could be others (and there probably are), but can't find evidence of so.
Oct-04-18  deSitter: RE offramp's comment about errors in descriptive notation - I have a large library with dozens of books in descriptive notation, and there are extremely few errors in them. Don't know about magazines but it's a non-issue for books, and it's always easy to figure out what is really going on. I find descriptive much easier to read because the text layout is more favorable in almost all cases. Neither is harder than the other, they are simply different, and algebraic is harder to see on the page. I tend to read older books most of which are in descriptive notation anyway. Chess literature declined with extreme rapidity in the early 70s following the Fischer craze, and I (wrongly) associate the rise of algebraic notation in English literature with the degraded chess culture that came about in the mid to late 70s and persists to this day.
Oct-05-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Right now listen descriptive notation is useless and belongs to the time of the ancient Sumerians and it has no place in the modern world, it is an outdated and useless way of writing down chess moves and it is only used by flat-earthers and moon landing deniers why not try to enter the 21st century? what computer will recognise the RIDICULOUS and SUPERFLUOUS descriptive stupid notation? Etc.
Oct-05-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  maxi: So, <offramp>, I will assume from now on that you don't like the descriptive notation.

<deSitter>, please explain what do you mean by "...the degraded chess culture...". It sounds interesting.

Oct-24-18  Violin sonata: Where is fischer annotated this game? There is no information about it
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