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| timhortons: thanks galdur. |
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Jan-25-12
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| TheFocus: <galdur> That Benson book was released months ago, not this month. |
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Jan-25-12
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| galdur: <Joshka>
"""Benson calls Bobby “the most eccentric and most fascinating person I have ever photographed.” Benson’s intimate access to Fischer [during the historic World Championship chess match in Iceland in 1972] was not the easiest of tasks to accomplish. In fact, Fischer barred the door even when his mother arrived from America. Filled with idiosyncrasies and a complete loner, Fischer is still revered by chess fans around the world and is considered the greatest chess player of all time.""" amazon.com |
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Jan-25-12
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| TheFocus: <In fact, Fischer barred the door even when his mother arrived from America.> Really? I have pictures of Bobby and Regina in Iceland together. There is a myth that Bobby and his mother did not get along throughout his life. This is untrue. While Bobby was living as a recluse in LA, Regina supported him by sending him her Social Security checks and paying other bills of his. Bobby kept in contact with her and his sister Joan throughout his life with letters and phone calls. Even Brady acknowledges in <Endgame> that Bobby and Regina were close. This whole myth should be buried as it rightfully belongs. |
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Jan-25-12
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| galdur: <TheFocus>
Yeah, my bad.
Actually I had the pleasure of a conversation with Mr. Fischer in 2006 (I live in Iceland and he was accompanied by a man I knew in my younger years). Understandably he wasn´t interested in discussing chess with a patzer like me so it was about politics. To me he seemed fairly normal, your typical American with very shallow understanding of the American corporate two-part one-party system and its shenanigans and deceptions. He totally subscribed to the official 911 conspiracy theory, which I found astounding. I did notice though a sign of perception when I told him that Bush´s stupidity was being pushed to mask and divert attention from psychopathic policies of that lapdog of big business. After this I met him a few times in the street and had some passing words. I never imagined that he´d die so soon, otherwise I might have tried to establish some more connection. But this was a very private person and definitely not for everyone. |
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Jan-25-12
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| galdur: <TheFocus>
You should share this photographic evidence. Of course there are all sorts of historical myths which should be refuted by all means possible. |
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| Petrosianic: The photograph he's talking about is already in the public arena. |
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Jan-25-12
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| TheFocus: <Petrosianic>< The photograph he's talking about is already in the public arena.> Not all of them.
<galdur> <You should share this photographic evidence.> Eventually. |
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| JoergWalter: Why would Benson's book not have a photograph of mother and son in Iceland 72? censorship by Bobby Fischer? |
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Jan-25-12
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| TheFocus: Frank Brady's book <Endgame> has a photo of Regina and Bobby together in his room in Iceland. She is disguised in a blond wig. |
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| Shams: <TheFocus> Regina traveled with him to Reykjavik?? |
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Jan-25-12
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| harrylime: < keypusher: <Whitehat1963: I wish I knew a way to evaluate this, but: Was Bobby Fischer's 2785 Elo somehow "more valuable" than Sergei Karjakin's highest of 2788 or Ivanchuk's 2787? I believe it was, but I'm sure statisticians could make a powerful argument to the contrary.>
Doesn't strike me as a very challenging argument to make. I'm not a statistician, but where did Fischer's 2785 place him in the world rankings in 1972? Where do Karjakin's and Ivanchuk's ratings place them today? I've read many times that ratings in different eras are not directly comparable. What more do you need?>
Fischer's rating of 2780 in 1972 , taking into account inflation, would put him over 3000 now.. |
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| Petrosianic: With that kind of inflation, Larry Evans would be about 2800. You might want to make up something a little more plausible than that. |
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Jan-25-12
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| harrylime: And Ray Keene would be 2700..
Which indeed he would be playing right now..
You might want to start addressing chess ratings infation. As of today, Fischer would be 3000 plus.. end of. |
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| RookFile: <With that kind of inflation, Larry Evans would be about 2800. You might want to make up something a little more plausible than that.> You're right. Fischer should be 3200 instead. |
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| Jan-25-12 |
| Petrosianic: Well, as I say, if you're going to make up a number, make up something plausible. Either that or find someone else crazy enough to say it, quote them, and blame it on them if it looks silly. |
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| KKDEREK: <"end of">..Nice argument.. |
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Jan-26-12
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| Joshka: For those who have never seen Bobby in action performing a study other than chess, please do yourself a favor and check out Bobby demonstrating the "15 Puzzle" ( or whatever it's called) on the Johnny Carson Show from November 8th, it's very very funny, and entertaining. Carson asks some decent questions about chess, the Championship, what Bobby is planning to do now that he has achieved the Championship, ect. My only complaint, is a complaint I have with a number of people who conduct interviews...they ask a decent question, THEN do not allow the person to give a detailed answer, before they rush in and try to rephrase the question, and they lose the whole meaning of their original question. Carson does this over and over with this interview. A very ironic event in this appearance by Bobby. Suzanne Pleshette was Carson's first guest, and Bobby came next, and sat next to her throughout the whole show. She died two days after Bobby did, January 19th, 2008. https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ You put your email address in and make up a password, choose any clip from any show you want, email for permission, it comes back the next day...and there is no charge for viewing any show in it's entirety...it is really a funny entertaining show, and will allow you to see..."What could have been" if only for a dream..... |
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| Jan-26-12 |
| Riverbeast: <Regina traveled with him to Reykjavik??> She showed up at one point during the match, incognito, to wish Fischer well According to Brady, she stayed one night and left the next day <To me he seemed fairly normal, your typical American with very shallow understanding of the American corporate two-part one-party system and its shenanigans and deceptions> Typical, huh?
How many Americans do you know, <galdur>? |
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Jan-26-12
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| unferth: <Petrosianic> here's the best study of ratings inflation I've seen; it suggests an adjustment of somewhere around 120 points for comparing contemporary ratings with pre-1986 ones, making Fischer's adjusted peak right around 2900. http://members.shaw.ca/redwards1/ |
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Jan-26-12
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| OhioChessFan: Fabulous pics <galdur> I was struck by the obvious apprehension coming out of the mirror house, and wish I could peek inside his brain for a second there. I was amazed at the poor editing when I saw this caption by the horse pic. <....Mr. Mr. Fischer exclaimed.They went out looking for them again, but they did not find them. Mr. Benson said, “He was disappointed, but never said it.”> I know it was the NYT and all, but still.... |
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| Jan-26-12 |
| Petrosianic: <TheFocus>: <Frank Brady's book Endgame has a photo of Regina and Bobby together in his room in Iceland. She is disguised in a blond wig.> That's the picture I've seen, and I have to wonder if it was all for show. How many people in Reykjavik would have recognized Regina Fischer on sight, with or without a wig? |
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Jan-26-12
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| Domdaniel: Quite. The indigenous <Islands-Paparazzi> would have torn her to shreds. |
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Jan-26-12
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| TheFocus: <Petrosianic> I agree that it was probably just for show. |
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| TheFocus: <joshka> Thanks for posting that link. |
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