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|Apr-16-17|| ||TheFocus: Bobby Fischer on the Bob Hope Show:
|Apr-16-17|| ||TheFocus: Bobby Fischer Against the World (Full Documentary):|
|Apr-16-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: Maybe this explains why I was never a very good chessplayer, but I never really got my rocks off from checkmate per se. If I make a good sacrifice or surprising combination that works and then blunder away the game at the end, I'm almost as happy as if I won the game (but needless to say, I'm not a pro).|
|Apr-16-17|| ||HeMateMe: thank you Strelets, that was the Russian star injured by Clarke. Poor reffing, to let that go on.|
Fischer looks groggy, somewhat subdued and downcast in the post match interviews, before disappearing completely. I wonder if in this day and age he would have been diagnosed with depression or some other mild mental illness and could have been prescribed something to keep him on an even keel? Maybe the right medication could have resulted in Fischer having a better adult life. Perhaps seeing a doctor was suggested to him and of course he said "No."
|Apr-17-17|| ||todicav23: I found fragments of the "interview in the park" (starting at 3:00):|
I haven't seen this before.
|Apr-17-17|| ||todicav23: < todicav23: I found fragments of the "interview in the park" (starting at 3:00):|
I haven't seen this before.>
The same interview:
|Apr-18-17|| ||blunderclap: <fischer random> Can anyone still formulate a valid reason why all chess players shouldn't be playing like this?|
dunno, creativity never seems to run out:)
|Apr-18-17|| ||blunderclap: I met him once. he took a huge slab of marble and chizzled me this:|
"The way humanity has organised its environment at present reminds me of centre pompidou in Paris.
However, unlike centre pompidou, I don't believe our environment is supposed to be artificial in nature.
All the guts are on the outside, prominently showing themselves and not rarely showing themselves off, as if they would actually belong there.
|Apr-20-17|| ||Jambow: <todicav23> @ 5:42 the man claims Fischer is insane because he wouldn't endorse a shampoo for a million dollars, because he didn't use the shampoo. I don't know if that is insanity or character on a level few would aspire too. When I read a biography about Fischer this happened all the time if Fischer didn't believe in your product he wasn't going to put his name on it, I totally respect that. For a guy acused of being money hungry this certainly casts doubt, he wanted what he believed was fair and I think he was correct in that aspect. |
Myself I would have tried the shampoo first, maybe the best ever who knows... If it turned out worse than Nair, then no I go to product B perhaps.
|Apr-20-17|| ||Petrosianic: Not being greedy isn't insane, though it may seem that way to some.|
In this case, though, if someone offered me a million dollars to endorse a shampoo I didn't use, I'd START using that shampoo. Ethical Problem solved.
I remember an old ad that tried to address this issue. Robert Montgomery did a commercial in which he assured the listeners that his contract didn't require him to smoke Lucky Strike cigarettes. He smoked them because he <wanted> to, by golly.
So, that's just opened up two possibilities. One, the one I just suggested (that you start using a product when you endorse it). The other is a tacit admission that some people actually use the product because they have to.
When Jack Benny was the pitchman for Jell-O, he didn't actually use the product (for medical reasons). When he was hawking Lucky Strikes, he actually smoked cigars. Mary Livingstone didn't smoke Luckies either. She smoked Tareytons, but carried them around in a Lucky Strike package, to keep up appearances.
|Apr-20-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Jambow>: <Myself I would have tried the shampoo first, maybe the best ever who knows... If it turned out worse than Nair, then no I go to product B perhaps.>|
If that happened, I'd go to Brand Y and say "Brand X offered me a million to endorse their stuff, but I thought it was awful. How much would you offer for me to say that?"
|Apr-20-17|| ||Ron: Concerning the issue of not doing a shampoo commercial for a million dollars: its not necessarily insane. For example, I can see someone refusing money from an organization because that organization goes against that person's values. In my case, I refuse to work at many government jobs, though some of them (such as public school teacher) would pay higher than my current job, because it goes against my ethical/political views.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||offramp: The only time I ever spoke to the Queen was when I had a job mowing the grass in St James's Park and I had to ask her where to put the clippings.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||HeMateMe: what could be controversial or unethical about teaching school in a public setting? You're protesting school lunch meat loaf made from 'frankenmeat'?|
|Apr-21-17|| ||Ron: <HeMateMe> I do not wish to be part of the public school teachers union. For one thing, I am against government unions (though I do not have a problem per se with unions in the private sector. )
Being government unions, they do things which benefit themselves to the detriment of others. See for example, this op-ed:
I also refuse to take a job in pro-globalist institutions such as the EU, the World Bank, and so forth.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||HeMateMe: without a union teachers would still be making $12,000/yr.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||Ron: <HeMateMe> Impossible to say. Actually it could be said that the unions prevent some from earning as a teacher. In the US, one has to have a degree in a teacher education program to be allowed to teach in the public schools. For one thing, it has been argued--I think correctly--that these teacher education programs are not intellectually respectable. Also, because of this requirement, some highly skilled individuals would not be allowed to teach in the public schools. So for example, Gary Kasparov would not be allowed to teach a class, say on strategic thinking in general, in the public schools!|
|Apr-21-17|| ||Joshka: <Ron> Never heard about this shampoo commercial deal Bobby turned down, but I know he turned down a deal to pitch Lincoln Continentals. I've always admired people sticking to their scruples. I've had very modest incomes all during my life, so many times I've wanted to stand up and say "No" to something but I admit I'm not very successful at it:-) I can only imagine how difficult it was for Bobby to even hold out for more prize money for the 1972 Match. I mean, you work hard at chess since childhood, then on the verge of competing for the top title and you hold out cause you believe the prize is not sufficient.|
Bobby marries "big money" to an accomplishment that one has worked long and hard for. Getting a nice paycheck for hawking, soap or cars or whatever is just too beneath him. Of course, 99% of ordinary people would just take the money and laugh all the way too the bank. Bobby wouldn't do it so they called him insane, crazy. I know Bobby was very much a supporter of SONY products and wondered why a deal with them never materialized. He felt his gift to the world was just chess. Chess was the only way he wanted to be compensated. When the compensation fell short he just refused to compete.
|Apr-21-17|| ||MissScarlett: <I've always admired people sticking to their scruples.>|
Scruples are nice, but screwballs are nicer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw...
|Apr-21-17|| ||MissScarlett: All that sucking and licking, and then there's a chewy bit at the end. Snack genius.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||Jambow: <If that happened, I'd go to Brand Y and say "Brand X offered me a million to endorse their stuff, but I thought it was awful. How much would you offer for me to say that?">|
Thats exactly it, just find the product you do like.
I honestly would have a hard time endorsing something I thought was trash too. I always admired that about Bobby. We always heard how greedy he was but that flies in the face of it. How many of his detractors would have turned down the same offers? Not many I think...
|Apr-21-17|| ||Petrosianic: Frankly, I've got my doubts about the shampoo story. We all know Fischer refused endorsements, sure. But that "million dollar" figure is just a bit too pat. Everyone knows the story, but nobody seems to know exactly what shampoo it was, possibly because it wasn't.|
|Apr-21-17|| ||MissScarlett: If you were a leading carpet freshening company, which two GMs would you choose to promote your products?|
|Apr-21-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: That's an easy one: Quigly Y. Pupov and Getcher Vomitov|
|Apr-21-17|| ||Jambow: <Petrosionac> Not sure wasn't there, but it is consistent with RJF from what those that knew him say or have said.|
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