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|Oct-03-15|| ||TheFocus: Maybe the Beatles were the Bobby Fischer of music.|
|Oct-03-15|| ||HeMateMe: everytime I see the new Focus avatar, I'm thinking he might disembowel someone, a Johnny Depp thing, I guess.|
|Oct-03-15|| ||zanzibar: I think the pirate logo should have a glowing Terminator-style red-eye.|
The Beatles are the Bobby's of music.
|Oct-03-15|| ||HeMateMe: bob was a Motown guy.|
|Oct-03-15|| ||zanzibar: Actually, I never knew what Fischer's musical tastes were... really Motown?|
Not a bad preference really.
|Oct-03-15|| ||TheFocus: <zanzibar> <I think the pirate logo should have a glowing Terminator-style red-eye.>|
That would be really cool!
|Oct-03-15|| ||Joshka: <zanzibar> During his live radio interviews he speaks often of Jackie Wilson, R&B singer from the mid too late 1950's. Yes, whether it's the Motown of the 60's, or the R&B from the 50's, he loved that stuff. Then again a lot of those hits were written in the Brill Building at 1619 Broadway Ave. New York City. Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, and Doc Pomus and Mort Shuman were 2 of the most prolific song writing teams writing hundreds of those radio hits in the 50's and early to mid 60's.|
|Oct-04-15|| ||HeMateMe: I have a hard time believing that Fischer wrote the article that appears on chessbase, his annotating a Ken Rogoff game from 1969. I want to believe it's Fischer, but I think he just spoke his thoughts to a professional writer, who sculpted the paragraphs. Fischer speaks like a high school drop out, which he was, and those people generally aren't good writers. |
Maybe another Larry Evans job? probably a writer at Boys Life sat down and did the fine touches, while Bob did the heavy lifting at the analysis board.
|Oct-04-15|| ||zanzibar: Thanks <Joshka>... I might do a followup later in the Cafe, since its music.|
I can't imagine NYC without thinking of all the great music/musicians the city has... (Boston ain't too bad, either, given its size).
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<HMM> I haven't read all the Boys Life articles, but the ones I have struck me as having "Fischer's voice" in the writing.
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <zanzibar> <HMM> < I haven't read all the Boys Life articles, but the ones I have struck me as having "Fischer's voice" in the writing.>|
|Oct-05-15|| ||Joshka: Your welcome <zanzibar> speaking of NYC, native son Billy Joel wrote a tune called "Zanzibar". Lived in Boston for many years, and it's where I ran across my first chess club and bumped into "Caissa" and fell hook line and sinker;-).the ironic thing was that I MOVED to Boston to pursue a music career!.......so had I moved to NYC, that probably would not have saved me either! LOL|
|Oct-05-15|| ||diceman: <TheFocus: Maybe the Beatles were the Bobby Fischer of music.>|
...that explains "Back in the U.S.S.R."
|Oct-05-15|| ||offramp: Fischer was a Chicagoid.|
|Oct-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: Fischer didn't say things like "I happened to visit such and such club and encountered a promising young player." Those are the words of the editor of Boys Life, putting the type in place to print.|
Fischer would say: "I was ovuh THERE [the site of the tournament] and there was dis kid, I think he can PLAY. I don't mean like, you know like, Tal, but he's got sumptin goin..."
Unfortunately, you can't print that, even though you really should. I like to hear what is actually said in an interview, not the massaged version. You have to get real. People don't speak grammatically correct, and Fischer was far too lazy at anything but chess to put work into sculpting a professional looking magazine article.
He was paid a fee for several articles that he 'wrote' for Boys Life, before he got a little too busy upgrading his game to beat even Spassky. I'm sure the chess related comments/analysis in the Boys Life story are his, but this is an article submitted over the phone, perhaps the annotations were mailed in, a few scraps of notebook paper.
I had a friend who was a ghost writer at NBC sports, and he wrote online columns for several sports stars. They would have a conversation with him over the phone on a particular topic, and my friend would write up ten paragraphs based on the comments. The same think was done with Fischer.
That is, unless you really think that Erasmus High drop out Bobby Fischer was familiar with phrases like "The Quietus."
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <HemateMe> You are really letting your imagination run away with you. The articles are written in such a way that you hear Bobby's voice in them. It is just simple English.|
I have always thought that when it came to annotating games, Bobby really poured on the good writing.
Don't just take what is in Boy's Life as the final example. He annotated several games for other magazines, and the voice in them is still the same.
You may not realize that Bobby had a column in Chess Life for about a year. The annotations were very good.
Any editing that Larry Evans did for the 60 was minor. That is evident from the originals, which are available, and show Bobby's editing of them.
|Oct-05-15|| ||Absentee: <HeMateMe: Fischer didn't say things like "I happened to visit such and such club and encountered a promising young player." Those are the words of the editor of Boys Life, putting the type in place to print.|
Fischer would say: "I was ovuh THERE [the site of the tournament] and there was dis kid, I think he can PLAY. I don't mean like, you know like, Tal, but he's got sumptin goin...">
In the interviews I've heard Fischer wasn't terribly eloquent, but he didn't sound that braindamaged either.
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <HemateMe> <I had a friend who was a ghost writer at NBC sports, and he wrote online columns for several sports stars. They would have a conversation with him over the phone on a particular topic, and my friend would write up ten paragraphs based on the comments. The same think was done with Fischer.>|
You are wrong, and have no proof of that assertion.
|Oct-05-15|| ||Jim Bartle: There is often a difference between the way a person speaks and the way he writes.|
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <Jim Bartle>< There is often a difference between the way a person speaks and the way he writes.>|
To hear me talk is proof of that.
|Oct-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: <Any editing that Larry Evans did for the 60 was minor>|
Every word of the intro pages in M60MG, of every single game was done by Larry Evans. That is a fact. Evans also wrote every word of Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. Also, it may well be that a professional writer at chess life, probably an editor, had to clean up misspellings or grammatical errors made by Evans. Every magazine and newspapers has proofreaders (except for ChessBase).
I'm also one hundred percent certain that comments within the games themselves, 'written' by Fischer that make up the notes had to be restructured by Evans to be readable. of course Evans didn't touch the annotations.
This isn't unusual at all, and there's nothing wrong with it. Look at any autobiography. Half of them say "....with Joe Writer" because it is acknowledged that such and such celebrity had no chance of writing 300 pages of professional looking prose by himself/herself. Why should magazine articles be any different?
Listen to John McEnroe talk, he has roughly the same accent as Fischer. It doesn't mean you're stupid, it just means you don't speak unaffected English, like a Midwesterner or a trained movie actor.
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <HemateMe> <Every word of the intro pages in M60MG, of every single game was done by Larry Evans.>|
That is an accepted fact. Evans did write the intros; I didn't try to imply that he did not.
<Evans also wrote every word of Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess.>
I think you mean Stuart Margulies and Don Mosenfelder.
|Oct-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: Is this the guy everyone talks about, on this page?
|Oct-05-15|| ||TheFocus: That is Sam Sloan, chess player and book publisher.|
|Oct-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: I think Bob could have had a modeling career.
|Oct-06-15|| ||GrahamClayton: The August 2015 issue of the Nebraska State Chess Association "Gambit" newsletter has an excellent article about Fischer's participation in the 1955 US Junior Championship:|
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