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|Apr-24-15|| ||Karposian: <1! Franz Klammer winning the downhill>|
That's a good pick <Jim>, Klammer is probably the greatest downhill skier ever.
Tommy Moe's surprise downhill win in Lillehammer 1994 was also great fun, but my no.1 Winter Olympics pick is speed skater Eric Heiden's five golds in Lake Placid. One of the greatest American Olympic athletes ever, in any sport.
Most beautiful Winter Olympian ever? East German figure skater Katarina Witt. But don't tell my wife :)
|Apr-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Too young for Dorothy Hamill?|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: LOL, of course I remember Dorothy, <Jim>. But I still rank Katarina a bit higher. Both in figure skating and in..well, you get the idea.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: But, but, Dorothy is...American!|
|Apr-25-15|| ||ughaibu: Mark Spitz.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: <ughaibu> Well, if you prefer Mark Spitz to Dorothy and Katarina, that's fine by me. I mean, who are we to judge? Heart wants what it wants. That's just the way it is.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||ughaibu: I'm at the disadvantage of never having heard of Dorothy or Katarina, sad to say.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Sally Simpson: I remember watching Mark Spitz on telly in '72.
One incident comes to mind. He held up a pair of trainers waving them to the cheering crowd. A totally innocent thing.
The Russians (yes them again) complained that Mark was actually endorsing a makers brand therefore was not an amateur sportsman and therefore should be banned from the Olympics.
That one was thrown out of court.
The Russians got around the amateur status rule by making all their top athletes majors and captains in the army. (they only time they ever put on a uniform was for their passport photo.)
The Cold War....the good old days.
|Apr-25-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: OK, just came back from the Spurs victory, just want to say this once. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL, NARCISSIST, that had so many chess playing-idiots worshiping him because of where he was born. HE never did ANYTHING for anyone but for himself, everyone helped him, he helped NO-ONE. He was a decrepit horrible human being, you want a memorial, put it at the base of new Twin Towers!!!! With a giant apology for forsaking his country which stood by him and fought for him.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: <optimal play> The US televised Olympics coverage goes for <all> of the sports, especially ones that will have a US-interested audience. Thus swimming, most track and field events, figure skating, down hill skiing, things with broad appeal are covered here, even if the US is not a strong contender for medals.|
However, it is rare that USA television covers the actual medal awarding ceremony to any other country. That's not out of jingoism, but because the people paying a few hundred $million dollars for tv rights here don't want the audience to turn the channel because the Bulgarian national anthem is about to be played, soul stirring though it may be.
We don't cover the women's hammer throw, ballroom dancing or a favorite in Poland, the Javelin catching competition, even if Americans are involved. Some events just don't sell, over here.
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: <Sally Simpson: The Russians got around the amateur status rule by making all their top athletes majors and captains in the army.> One very good example of that is Soviet Union men's national ice hockey team.|
The players had to train eleven months a year, only being allowed to visit their families during Christmases. They were confined to army barracks as Viktor Tikhonov Sr. was a General in the Red Army.
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: <A.T. PhoneHome> But what a team they had. Remember the KLM line? Krutov, Larionov and Makarov. Best hockey line ever by some distance.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Indeed. Amazing puck handling and overall ability. Makarov's puck handling was something else!|
Valeri Kharmalov was another fantastic Soviet ice hockey player. I think he played in the first Summit Series, back in 1972. He was injured later on during the Summit Series, apparently it was intentional by Canadian side.
|Apr-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: The Philadelphia Flyer's center, playing for the USA, cracked the Russian's ankles with a stick and broke a bone, ending the Summit Series for that player.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: It's a shame Canada's interest level towards IIHF World Men's Championship has decreased quite a bit; them not reaching the medal games in years.|
They are more interested in NHL and Stanley Cup and their own World Cup. I remember when Canada played so well at IIHF World Men's Championships. That would be another very strong team competing for the medals should they choose to put effort into it.
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: <A.T. PhoneHome: They are more interested in NHL and Stanley Cup and their own World Cup. I remember when Canada played so well at IIHF World Men's Championships. That would be another very strong team competing for the medals should they choose to put effort into it.>|
Yeah, the Hockey World Championsip, just like the Olympic Hockey tournament, was seldom considered a very prestigious tournament here in North America. Usually those tournaments have coincided with the Stanley Cup playoffs, preventing USA and Canada from sending their best players. The US teams have often consisted of young, promising College players.
I remember back in the day, the 70s and 80s, there were always the same four national teams that competed for the title: USSR, Czechoslovakia,Sweden and Canada. Sometimes Finland and the USA (despite lacking their top players) were added to the mix.
Haven't followed international Hockey so closely in recent years, but I think many more national teams are competitive now.
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Finland got quite strong in the 80's if not before that. I think Finland won silver at Calgary in 1988 (I think?).|
In recent years we've been able to remain consistently in the top 3 of IIHF Rankings. Anyways, I've always enjoyed USA's playing. Beautiful skating play by brash and young, promising players. I'm glad the United States let the young have a shot at IIHF events.
And there are more and more upsets at Men's Championships. For example, last year France beat Canada and Latvia beat Finland, not to mention Kazakhstan almost beating Finland, among other such results. The gap between teams is getting smaller and smaller, with the best nations sharing the knowledge by coaching other national teams.
An example of that: Switzerland won silver in 2013 IIHF Men's Championships, they played so fantastically. That was in part due to Finnish coaching.
|Apr-25-15|| ||Howard: Strange....the top of the page says "Robert James Fischer"---not U.S. hockey.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Sorry sir! Karposian, shall we take this to your forum page perhaps?|
|Apr-25-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <Howard> yeah, I almost posted my Olympic highlights but decided against it. It really is time for this conversation to move somewhere more appropriate. I wonder what this page would be like if we had a 30 year old Fischer moderating it for content.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||MissScarlett: <I almost posted my Olympic highlights but decided against it>|
Bruce Jenner in the heptathlon?
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: <A.T PhoneHome: Sorry sir! Karposian, shall we take this to your forum page perhaps?>|
Well, I've never actually opened my own forum. But perhaps I should do it.
Could be fun. I'll think about it.
<OCF> You've got a point, but personally I think that even if we digress a little now and then, is that really so much of a problem?
Anyway, I guess it's time to get back on track again.
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Haha, I just checked your forum page and noticed that, <Karposian>. And yeah, I get Howard and OhioChessFan's point, but I take pride in the fact I talked about something decent (in my opinion that is).|
|Apr-25-15|| ||optimal play: <HeMateMe> I would've thought the javelin catching competition would have a world-wide appeal ;)|
|Apr-25-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: It will have a world-wide appeal once someone fails to catch the javelin.|
And sorry to drop in, <optimal play>!
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