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|Jul-01-15|| ||Petrosianic: <France is a member of the U.N. and apparently it was U.N. sanctions that were broken.>|
No, it was US law that Fischer broke, specifically, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Spassky was not subject to US law, and broke no French law by playing. He was clean.
|Jul-01-15|| ||Petrosianic: <Perhaps Fischer could have avoided his problems by renouncing US citizenship and moving to another country,>|
That would have defeated the whole point. The point was to do something wrong and get away with it. Now if you do it in a way that's not wrong, then you're not doing it.
He was contemplating the same kind of thing a few years earlier when he was planning to go to South Africa and break the FIDE ban on playing there. He SHOULD have done that. It wasn't criminal, and the worst that would have happened to him would have been a ban on playing in FIDE events (Big Deal!). In the end, Quinteros went without him and got banned by himself.
|Jul-01-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> Silly me, I forgot that we were talking about Fischer, not about the usual person that might know that they were doing something wrong and that they wanted to get away with it. Fischer was definitely not the usual person.|
Your mention of South Africa reminded me of Paul Simon who recorded there what is probably his best album, "Graceland" in 1985 – 1986. He was criticized for doing so and breaking the cultural boycott of South Africa at the time to protest South Africa's apartheid policies. In this interview, http://www.nme.com/news/paul-simon/..., Simon claims that he had no regrets about recording "Graceland" in South Africa at that time because no one told him what was going on and he was basically unaware of the boycott. But, if someone had told him about it, he probably would not have done it.
Somehow I can picture Fischer as part of the dancing group in the background, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9P..., convincing Simon that the name of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-... should be "You can call me Bob". I'm sure that Fischer would have been able to do it. Imagine Fischer playing the part of Chevy Chase in that last video. After all, Chase is 6 ft. 3.5 in tall, a close match for Fischer's 6 ft. 4 in height (no Tobey McGuire here). Perhaps someone skilled in video editing could substitute Fischer's face for Chase's. I'm ROFL just thinking about it.
|Jul-01-15|| ||Joshka: <AylerKupp> Great tune by Simon, thanks:-) But Bobby was 6ft. 2 inches|
|Jul-01-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Joshka> Oh well, the first site I checked (which, of course, I can no longer find) indicated that his height was 6 ft. 4 in. or 194 cm). But the majority of sites say 6 ft. 2 in. and 188 cm, so I obviously should have checked better. But his passport (http://humanheight.net/actors_music...) indicates his height at 185 cm or 6 ft. 1 in. It figures that even something about Fischer as apparently non-controversial as his height would have different answers depending on the source!|
To me it doesn't matter much. I'm 5 ft. 8 in. tall so anyone 6 ft and over I simply consider "tall" since I would basically be looking at their chins.
|Jul-01-15|| ||diceman: <AylerKupp:
But the majority of sites say 6 ft. 2 in. and 188 cm, so I obviously should have checked better.
But his passport (http://humanheight.net/actors_music...) indicates his height at 185 cm or 6 ft. 1 in. It figures that even something about Fischer as apparently non-controversial as his height would have different answers depending on the source!>
Fischer didn't show up for passport photo due to camera noise.
...and was forfeited an inch.
|Jul-01-15|| ||RookFile: I know a fellow who used to be 6 foot 5 but is 6 foot 4 now. As he got older, his spine curved a little, according to his doctor.|
|Jul-01-15|| ||AylerKupp: <RookFile> Thanks a lot. Now I can "look forward" to being 5 ft. 7 in. as I age further. Of course, I think that it is better to be 5 ft. 7 in. above ground than 6 ft. under ground.|
|Jul-01-15|| ||Sally Simpson: When I was a kid I swallowed a bottle of mercury.
In the Summer I'm 6 ft. 6 ins. in the Winter I'm 4 ft.
|Jul-03-15|| ||Joshka: Listening to an interview with the late George Harrison, he said, "The fans gave their money, their screams, but The Beatles, gave their nervous systems, which is really a much more difficult thing to give"........couldn't help but think how this related to Bobby as well.|
|Jul-04-15|| ||ljfyffe: Being from Canada, I used to be 6 foot one inch in height, but now I'm only 1.86 meters tall!|
|Jul-04-15|| ||Sinio.Pampanga: The GOAT.|
|Jul-05-15|| ||Diocletian: 1992 was not the first time that I found myself in agreement with Fischer regarding political aspects of chess. Both of us had our chessboards taken from us as high school students ( as perhaps did you) and were prohibited to study games as some stupid teacher pontificated; both of us circumvented the prohibition.|
Later, in the Vietnam era, both of us were ordered by draft boards to report for physical examinations. One of Fischer's biographers ( maybe it was Brady? ) wrote that Fischer was excused from any military "obligation" ever after this exam, but he gives no explanation. How Fischer, in perfect health and with an athlete's physique, managed to best the authorities in this encounter remains a mystery. I have never seen a hint of an explanation, and I expect the answer is forever lost.
Certainly Fischer would have made a very poor soldier ( as well as, <AylerKupp>, a very poor U.S. president), but I only wish I had known then as Fischer did how to flunk a physical. It is only speculation, but perhaps he managed to convince the examiner that he was crazy - although this is definitely not Fischer's style as he insisted on his sanity. I have seen photos of Fischer in swimming trunks, so racist tattoos cannot be the explanation, although I would myself try this tactic were I faced with induction for war today.
|Jul-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: My high school pre-calculus teacher said "Chess is nonsense," when I suggested that it would help math students if they also played chess.|
I don't think he ever got laid, either.
|Jul-05-15|| ||SpiritedReposte: Maybe they knew Fischer was the best chess player America could hope to produce? Or maybe they didn't care but Bobby had some "friends" that intervened. |
Seems like a waste of talent to send him off as a grunt, but they did it to Muhammad Ali (at least tried) as well.
|Jul-05-15|| ||HeMateMe: The truth has been hidden for years, but it recently came out that during his draft board interview Fischer blurted out "They're ALL COMMIES to me!", when asked what he knew about Vietnam.|
Fearing that Bob would likely try to shoot South Vietnam troops as well as the NV regulars, they wisely stamped him 4-F and gave him bus fare home.
Sometimes subtly in these manners is rewarded. Down south, two other guys were trying to avoid going over to the 'Nam. Greg Allman wore women's underwear to his physical, and his older brother Duane shot himself in the leg, the day of his draft appearance.
|Jul-06-15|| ||Diocletian: < HeMateMe>
May I ask, please, the source of this information?
|Jul-06-15|| ||Petrosianic: <May I ask, please, the source of this information?>|
A fifth of Scotch.
|Jul-06-15|| ||HeMateMe: It was mixed in with Hillary's non-deleted Emails. Top secret stuff.|
|Jul-06-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Diocletian> I am glad that there is at least one person besides myself that would not vote for me for U.S. President. Hopefully we can get enough others to block any constitutional changes and have enough votes to make sure that it does not happen. Relying on my "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve." attitude is leaving too much to chance.|
But I think that the funniest story I heard of during the Vietnam era (if anything about the Vietnam era can be considered funny) is a letter that a student supposedly got from his draft board during that time. It said something like "Your student deferment has been cancelled. In order to maintain your student deferment your academic standing must be in the upper one-half of your class and you were merely in the upper one-fourth."
Talk about a possible life-altering mathematical misconception! But the story is too good not to be true.
|Jul-06-15|| ||Diocletian: I have seen every aspect of Fischer's career discussed a hundred tines over - but never his draft status 4-F. Why? |
The draft was a huge issue in those days for millions, and those millions and their friends and girlfriends filled the streets in protest for years. Elvis Presley was drafted, but given a safe post as his death would have been bad press for the war makers; Muhammad Ali ( Cassius Clay ), for his refusal ( "No Vietcong ever called me @#$%*&"), beat a prison sentence only on a legal technicality: it was not a problem that could be solved easily, and playing chess, no matter how well, could not have been a way out.
Since there is absolutely no published information, I can only speculate, but I have one idea. The year of Fischer's physical examination was given by Fischer's biographer, and perhaps the month too. I do not currently have access to my library or I would look the occasion up, but 1963-1964 sounds about right - Fischer would have been 20-21, prime draft material. Now I personally know some boys who beat the system by convincing a psychologist to prepare a letter to the draft board declaring them crazy, emotionally disturbed, schizophrenic - whatever - unsuitable, and this was in those days one of the most effective ways of avoiding "service." Such letters were far from easy to obtain, but Fischer would have fit right into this class.
It was in this time period too that Fischer was friendly with Reuben Fine. They played six games in 1963 that are listed on this website, and I believe that some of these games and others were played at Fine's home in New York. Now if they were in fact friendly Fine could in all truthfulness have prepared such a letter for Fischer, and Fine was of course perfectly qualified to prepare a letter that would have to be accepted.
I am speculating that this is what happened. Maybe some still living friend of Fischer or his sister or mother will offer some information. The world should know.
|Jul-06-15|| ||TheFocus: <Diocletian> <Elvis Presley was drafted, but given a safe post as his death would have been bad press for the war makers>|
Elvis would have been pretty safe as we were not involved in a war at that time. His draft notice was December 20, 1957.
|Jul-06-15|| ||keypusher: <The draft was a huge issue in those days for millions, and those millions and their friends and girlfriends filled the streets in protest for years.>|
There were no major protests against the draft in 1963-64. Vietnam was not yet a major war, still less an unpopular one. That came later.
The draft board probably figured out what we all learned eventually: Fischer was cuckoo.
|Jul-06-15|| ||Diocletian: <TheFocus> You are absolutely right, and I was aware of this slight flaw in my argument. But there was no chance that he would have been drafted into the marines, or that he would have become a military "adviser" in Vietnam ( beginning 1959), or landed in Lebanon during the insurrection of 1958, or sent to protect U.S. nationals in Cuba during the revolution.|
So my argument unchanged, but your point is well taken.
|Jul-06-15|| ||Diocletian: <The draft board probably figured out what we all learned eventually: Fischer was cuckoo.>|
I'm not sure keypusher. You can see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prote...
that protests began in 1963, which means that many boys were already very concerned about being drafted; certainly the protests grew mightily in following years.
But I don't want to nitpick. I want to know how Fischer beat the draft.
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