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|Jul-16-15|| ||Petrosianic: You see why it's a tough question, though. In the one sense, Cheparinov was putting another player's interests above his own, which is a bit dodgy. In the other sense, all he did was try to win his own game. So even if his motivations were a bit dodgy, his actions seem legit.|
|Jul-16-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Petrosianic,
I think the candidate matches were the correct way to go. There was too much funny business going in the candidate tournament with fellow countrymen agreeing to help each other. '62 proved that and Bronstein hints very strongly that something not to his liking happened in '53.
There again I'd like to see a world championship event every two years.
The defending champion has to win it again like they do in formula one.
I just don't like the world champion sitting back whilst the challenger has to hack through tough opposition just to play him.
You win the world cup at football, 4 years later you are back in the pot with the rest of the world who qualified. The world champions do not get an automatic place in the final waiting for a team to play 6 or 7 games to play them. They have earn their right to be in the final.
But this is just my humble opinion.
|Jul-16-15|| ||Petrosianic: <There was too much funny business going in the candidate tournament with fellow countrymen agreeing to help each other. '62 proved that>|
I'm not sure that it did. Nothing happened there except the top players drawing among themselves and beating up on the weakies, the same as happens in too many GM tournaments. Had the top three slugged it out with each other, and, say Keres beat out the other two, then the only difference might have been Fischer finishing 5½ points out of first instead of 3½.
In any case, you're forgetting 1959, when Tal and Petrosian played four quick draws with each other. Fischer never tried to blame his failure on that, either because he liked Tal, or because it was just an excuse in 1962.
<I just don't like the world champion sitting back whilst the challenger has to hack through tough opposition just to play him.>
Why not? He had to do the exact same thing when he won the title himself.
|Jul-17-15|| ||bobthebob: <<I just don't like the world champion sitting back whilst the challenger has to hack through tough opposition just to play him.>|
Why not? He had to do the exact same thing when he won the title himself.>
Carlsen pre-being world champion agreed with that.
Post-world champion, he changed his mind.
|Jul-17-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> Yup, you did say that Caruana was trying to win to break even. My bad. I guess I was having trouble reconciling in my mind that Caruana was below 0.500. :-)|
But suppose it had been like I said, where Caruana was ½ point behind. Then the situation would have been different and Caruana would have been justified in going all out for the win and he probably would not have been criticized for doing so.
I don't know if the problem is the format. Yes, a tournament format has the possibility of collusion by countrymen to help one of the players win or, for that matter, two players that are good friends having one of them try to help the other win. I think that this situation can be alleviated by ensuring that countrymen meet each other in the early rounds, although I don't know what to do about friends. But I think that tournaments when several players are close to each other towards the end are more exciting, and I can't wait for a Candidates tournament when Kramnik goes all out on the last round to help Topalov win or vice versa. :-)
|Jul-17-15|| ||Joshka: <AylerKupp> ahh, no apology needed, I'm guilty as well many times over. Mentioning Sheldon, his exchanges with Penny make me almost keel over with laughter. I'm forever hooked, I've had to purchase all the shows from the beginning and allow myself 4-5 hour marathons from time to time!|
In regards to the match that didn't take place, I'm wondering if the written account of the negotiations will ever see the light of day. The only problem with releasing an official version of the events, is that all the officials get protected:-)
Chess Life and Review back in 1975, had the vote tally from country to country, but never touched the so called 179 demands from Bobby. Maybe records are sealed until 2075!:-)
|Jul-17-15|| ||Petrosianic: <But suppose it had been like I said, where Caruana was ½ point behind. Then the situation would have been different and Caruana would have been justified in going all out for the win and he probably would not have been criticized for doing so.>|
Yeah, that's a much simpler instance. In that case, people would probably feel that the tie wasn't really a tie. Like suppose a situation where it's tied in the last round. Player A has to face the tail ender, and Player B has to face the guy in 3rd place. People might feel that B was only tied because he got the tail ender out of the way early, and that he would have been a half point behind if he hadn't, or something like that. You'd have far fewer problems there, as nobody could blame the 3rd place guy for trying to catch up.
<I don't know if the problem is the format. Yes, a tournament format has the possibility of collusion by countrymen to help one of the players win or, for that matter, two players that are good friends having one of them try to help the other win.>
Yeah, but even worse, there doesn't have to be any collusion at all. You'd still have situations where people thought there was.
And you'd still have situations where people played in weird ways. Like, remember the Needleman case a few years back? 7 players, 6 qualifying spots. 6 of the players drew easily against each other and played real games against Needleman (the one guy noticably weaker than the others).
Was there any collusion? No, there probably wasn't. The strategy was so obvious that there didn't need to be. But even if there wasn't, the tournament format encouraged a really distorted playing style that we don't want to see qualifying spots decided by.
<I think that this situation can be alleviated by ensuring that countrymen meet each other in the early rounds, although I don't know what to do about friends.>
Or enemies. Or bribes. The only place I like the tournament format is something like an Interzonal, where they have a lot of qualifying spots and the best guys are pretty assured of getting at least one of them.
<But I think that tournaments when several players are close to each other towards the end are more exciting>
Yeah, granted they're exciting. I do like tournaments, just not as qualifiers.
|Jul-17-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Joshka> Actually, my apology was meant as sarcasm to see if you were as bad at detecting it as I am. :-) Seriously, "Big Bang Theory" is one of my all-time favorite TV shows and I have seasons 1-6 and I put on a disc on the DVR each time I get on my stationary bike to help pass the time since laughter makes the time go quicker. And with a science background I think that I might enjoy it more than most people.|
As far as a written account of the negotiations I suspect that's a lost cause. As you said, any "official" account is likely to be biased in favor of the participants so what's the point in that? Perhaps some day the truth will come to light but I fear that by that time I will be gone. Oh well, maybe I can take my Big Bang discs with me to help me pass eternity, particularly since I believe that they stand up well to heat.
|Jul-17-15|| ||Joshka: <AylerKupp> Well there ya go, you got me;-) I get so engrossed in the exchanges, that I just can't listen as fast they talk, so i must have on subtitles so I can enjoy the hilarious dialog. |
I really would have thought that with Bobby's passing, some of this stuff would have been released. For example: The full video recording of the '72 Match, which I believe is still in a vault in Iceland. Also the full account of what happened at the "Pasadena Jailhouse". Also Bobby was busted in Japan prior to his 2004 arrest. Was held for a couple of weeks I believe. You wrote about something, where it was mentioned that Bobby didn't collect his share of the prize in the '92 Match? I saw that in the book as well, but most accounts I have seen, claim different. I've read numerous accounts where Bobby's half-sister Joan was involved and actually took and delivered the funds. Stories involving Bobby will be with us long after we are both gone. You seem like a good guy. You'll be sheltered from that 'heat';-)
|Jul-19-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi,
Spoke with Craig Pritchett again.
Cramer gave a presentation to the member countries in the shape of slide show putting forward Bobby's case for his demands/requests to be met.
Part of this show included a Playboy type centrefold of a naked lady with chess pieces strategically placed.
I'm always up for a piece of fun but this may not have gone down too well with the female representatives or the countries of a less liberal nature.
Possibly never affected the final decision but I'm forgetting my hunt for the 179 demands. I'm now chasing this picture.....It's a quest!
|Jul-19-15|| ||MissScarlett: <Hi, Spoke with Craig Pritchett again.>|
As I once said to <The Artist Formerly Known As Prince>. 'I hate name-droppers!'
And one more thing, no more boring stories of glory days.
|Jul-19-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Miss S.,
I was relating to a story a few pages back. I did ask Craig if I could mention his name as being the Scottish Rep as providence.
"And one more thing, no more boring stories of glory days."
Funny you should mention that.
Me Kasparov, Karpov and Kramnik were having a meal in the Ritz when we noticed the knives and forks were set up wrongly.
Oh How we laughed. Paul McCartney, Bono and Prince Charles arrived and joined in on the fun...what a night. Can you imagine that. The knife was where the fork should be.
Kramnik then noticed Bono had odd sock on. That started us all laughing again.
|Jul-19-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <Sally Simpson> No way! Switched cutlers? In the Ritz?|
I MUST tell this to some very important people I'm obviously not mentioning here because you know, I don't drop names; but this reminds me some thousand stories about glory days I think I will post here just for fun.
Oh, and say hello to Charlie if you see him again, will you?
|Jul-19-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi previous poster,
(Sorry cannot use your real name - name dropping and all that.)
He may be Prince Charlie to you, but he's Chas to me.
I must tell you this. Me and Chas and his mum (Mrs.Q.) were playing whist and Mrs Q trumped Chas's ace. Well we laughed, Oh how we laughed.
Then in came Carslen, Giri and Anand and we replayed the hand to show them what happened....Buck house was rocking with laughter.
Oh how we laughed...I'm laughing now just thinking about it.
Back on topic.
C.P. (hopefully I'll get away with that...) told me he may have some documents relating to the FIDE meeting regarding B.F.
C.P. also wrote an article about the meeting it and he will try and dig it out.
|Jul-20-15|| ||MissScarlett: <C.P. (hopefully I'll get away with that...) told me he may have some documents relating to the FIDE meeting regarding B.F.>|
Amongst the thespian community, there's a certain Shakespearean production that's commonly referred to as <the Scottish play>.
May I suggest you ask <the Scottish player> where's there's any truth to the following rumour: Karpov vs C W Pritchett, 1974
|Jul-21-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Miss Scarlet.
The link you gave was incomplete. Not your fault. The poster missed out the one important sentence that is given in the book.
Position 99. States:
"According to one reliable source.......then onto the Fischer phone call."
You and I know that this is how chess fact & chess myth collide.
These reliable sources have gold coins getting thrown onto chessboards at the end of a game and players dying in baths surrounded by women's shoes.
This one is easily solved.
This is not the only place that discus's Karpov v Fischer 1975.
The English Chess (where nicknames are not allowed.) is one of many sites that too indulge in this topic.
Craig wrote on Wednesday, 3rd August 2011.
(Funnily enough it kicks off with Craig dropping in my name. Huh! poser.)
"Geoff says that Fischer was actively following Karpov's games at the 1974 Nice Olympiad and this is certainly true. Tony Saidy, who visited the Olympiad as a spectator (and who features prominently in the recent doumentary film Bobby Fischer Against the World) delivered the news personally to me that Fischer had shown him my missed win against Karpov about a week or so into the Olympiad."
So no phone call from Bobby Fischer to Craig.
That whole thread is a good read. A few good links to relvant articles and you can read in Craig's own words some more of the FIDE meeting.
No nicknames means you rarely get the fisty cuffs and stupidity that this place suffers from. Though I did manage to ruffle a few feathers when I posted there. Mostly in jest, sometimes when I never even intended to.
|Jul-22-15|| ||SpiritedReposte: He was playing for a shot at the world championship when he was 15! Haha imagine a 15-16 year old world chess champion. Took him a few years but he got there in the end.|
|Jul-22-15|| ||Petrosianic: Can't imagine it. There have been other teenage candidates, but I never expect to see a teenage world champion. Not unless the chess world is an extremely sorry state.|
|Jul-22-15|| ||PaulLovric: http://www.chess.com/blog/billwall/...|
|Jul-22-15|| ||HeMateMe: When the Queen dies will they turn Buck Palace into a museum? Surely Wills and Kate don't want to live in that mausoleum?|
|Jul-24-15|| ||fisayo123: Might as well drop this here.
Fischer, Spassky, Petrosian et al at the 66' Olympiad. Castro also makes an appearance.
|Jul-25-15|| ||john barleycorn: <fisayo123> thanks. Sure, Fidel at least drew his game|
|Jul-25-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: todays' QOTD is
"Patzer sees check, patzer makes check."
But I thought he said "... patzer <gives> check"
Does anyone have the definitive answer? Was it make or gives?
|Jul-25-15|| ||john barleycorn: <thegoodanarchist>
wikiquote referring to MSMG
<Patzer sees a check, gives a check.>
|Jul-25-15|| ||perfidious: <john b> Then there is the converse: |
<Always check; it might be mate>
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