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Sep-26-08
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| notyetagm: <CharlesSullivan: Fischer's 13.<a3> was strangely foreshadowed in Vukovic's "The Art of Attack in Chess" (first published in 1965). Fischer, reportedly the best-read player in history, must have scrutinized this book and probably knew this study (pp. 112-114 in the "Focal-points" chapter in the 2007 reprint by Everyman Chess of the 1998 algebraic edition) which looks like this after 6...a4:> Wow, I never knew that. Excellent point, the similarity between the ending of this famous Fischer win and the study you mention in Art Of Attack. |
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| Sep-26-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: <notyetagm> Your nice comment makes me feel that you MUST be a GM! |
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Sep-26-08
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| notyetagm: <CharlesSullivan: <notyetagm> Your nice comment makes me feel that you MUST be a GM!> Not yet.
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Jan-05-09
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| Eyal: <Woody Wood Pusher: Interestingly the Master Chess (32 bit 20 MHz) prefers 29. Qh6, Qf8 30. hxg6,Qxh6 31. Rxh6, fxg6 (giving a +3.8 eval after 19 hours!!) After 32. Bxe6+, Kf8 33. Bxc8, Bxc8 34. cxd3 Nb3 black can resign (+3.5) The thing about 29. Bg2 is that black can play 29...Qf8 and throw a spanner in the works of Fischer's combination!> 29...Qf8 30.Be4 dxc2 31.hxg6 fxg6 32.Bxg6 hxg6 33.Rh8+ Kf7 34.Rxf8+ Rxf8 35.Qh6 with Qg7+ or Qh7+ to follow looks completely crushing - certainly no less strong than the 29.Qh6 line. <26...Bb7 seems like Black's last chance to hold together. I analyzed 27. Re1, Qf8 28. Be7,Qe8 29.Rab1,Qc6 with the MC and it gives +0.5. White still has a definite edge but Black is not yet forced to lose massive amounts of material and has some counter play it seems.> Instead of Re1, 27.Rg4 is more consistent - to be followed simply by h5, Rh4, f4, g4, f5 etc. Black doesn't seem able to generate any real counterplay against this. |
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Jan-05-09
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| Eyal: <ughaibu: Instead of Ra7 wouldn't Rc7 be better? Black can then defend the long diagonal by Bb7 without blocking the rook's sideways action [in the line 29...Bb7 30.hxg6 fxg6 31.Rxh7!]> <keypusher: I got lazy and showed it to Fritz. 28...Rc7 is a good idea, defending against 29 Bg2. Fritz suggests 29 Qh6! Qf8 30 Qd2! Bc4 (defending e6. 30...Nc4 loses to 31 hg! fg 32 Bxe6+) 31 Rxd4 (threatening Rxc4, and Black doesn't have a good defense).> 
click for larger viewThis sophisticated computer line may justify a bit more elaboration. After 31.Rxd4, White actually has a double threat: both 32.hxg6 fxg6 33.Rxc4! followed by Bxe6+ in case of a recapture; and 32.hxg6 fxg6 33.Bg2 (here too) - now, if the rook retreats along the 8th rank the knight on a5 is left unprotected, and if it moves along the a-file it allows Rd8, while Bd5 is met by Rxd5! with the same idea as Rxc4; that's why moves like 31...Qe8 or 31...Rc6, defending e6, can't save Black. Finally, 31...Nc6 leaves the bishop undefended and thus also allows 32.Rxc4 - Black can regain an exchange by 32...Nxe5, but 33.Bxe5 (33.Rxc7?? Nf3+) Rxc4 34.cxd3 looks hopeless for him in the long run. |
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| Jan-13-09 |
| traction: Any idea why fischer played Bg2 first? |
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| Feb-20-09 |
| Jarman: I have no idea, especially because after 29. Bg4 he would have had a forced mate in 14 moves. And I am amazed nobody has pointed that out yet after five pages of discussion. |
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| Mar-03-09 |
| The Lone Banana: < traction: Any idea why Fischer played Bg2 first?> So that 33. ... Kxg6 could be met with 34. B-e4 mate. |
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| Mar-03-09 |
| swarmoflocusts: I just want to say that this pun is one of my favorite jazz songs. |
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| Mar-11-09 |
| shaqcosteau: Bg2 was a hell of a move. Fischer was brilliant. |
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| Mar-11-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: Presumably you mean 29. Bg2, not 5. Bg2. :) |
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Mar-11-09
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| parisattack: A very workman-like KIA - although Myag did not put up much counter attack on the queenside. Leonid Stein played some sweet KIAs against the Caro-Kann...often employing a b4 thrust as black hasn't played ...c5. |
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| Mar-12-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: I was talking about this in relationship with another game tonight. The problem with a lot of these black defenses involving kingside castling is the c8 bishop for black. Look at this game - that thing was a useless piece of wood. If black could have traded it for something - any piece - he would have. As it was, Fischer was basically a piece ahead in his kingside attack. It's for reasons like this that the Caro - Kann can be a safer defense for black. The c8 bishop comes out to some square, f5 or g4, and you trade it off at some convenient opportuntity for some piece that would have, as in the Fischer vs. Myagmarsuren game, burned your kingside down. |
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| Apr-04-09 |
| Jarman: <shaqcosteau: Bg2 was a hell of a move. Fischer was brilliant.> 29. Bg4 was much better, is it so difficult to understand? Jeez. |
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| Apr-04-09 |
| ounos: <Woody Wood Pusher: ... Master Chess (32 bit 20 MHz)>
Wow, you are a bit on the slow side of computation there, aren't you? |
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| Apr-04-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: <Jarman: I have no idea, especially because after 29. Bg4 he would have had a forced mate in 14 moves. And I am amazed nobody has pointed that out yet after five pages of discussion. > We all just glance at the position these days, and see mate in 14's, just like that. Of course, it sort of helps that we're looking at it through the lens of something that can calculate more moves in a second than the rest of humanity will calculate in a lifetime. |
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Apr-04-09
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| keypusher: <traction: Any idea why fischer played Bg2 first?> To set up the mate that would have occurred in the game after 31....Kxh7 32. hxg6+ Kxg6 33. Be4#. <jarman> You do not show to advantage in the reflection of your engine's glory. :-) Instead of preening, why not post the mate so we can all learn something? |
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Apr-04-09
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| keypusher: Here is a mate after 29. Bg4:
29.Bg4 dxc2 30.Qh6 c1(Q)+ 31.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 32.Kh2 Rh1+ 33.Kxh1 Bb7+ 34.Kg1 Qf8 35.Qxh7+ Kxh7 36.hxg6+ Kxg6 37.Bh5+ Kh7 (37....Kf5 38. Rf4#) 38.Be2+ Qh6 39.Bd3+ Be4 40.Bxe4+ Kg8 41.Rxh6 any 42.Rh8# A little like some of the variations in Larsen vs Petrosian, 1966. |
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| Apr-08-09 |
| Jarman: <AnalyzeThis: We all just glance at the position these days, and see mate in 14's, just like that.> <keypusher: You do not show to advantage in the reflection of your engine's glory. :-)> I apologize for my rude comments, although I must admit they were also meant to provoke some ironic replies :-) I just hate when people don't even try to find a better move, blindly trusting the judgement of human champions. These people will always be unable to find the purest chess truth. |
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| Apr-08-09 |
| Everett: <<Jarman> These people will <always> be unable to find the purest chess truth.> That's total BS, because MANY human's have played the "best moves" after continued computer scrutiny, all the way back to Morphy. And there are still, and probably always, some positions that computers don't always understand. ... and by "purest" you mean "most accurate," that's your opinion, but my idea of purest chess has much more to do with the fight, the emotions and the resiliency expressed by humans when there is chaos on the board. I have much less use for your view of chess truth. |
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| Apr-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 31 Qxh7+!! Kxh7 32 hxg6+
32...Kxg6 33 Be4#
32...Kg8 33 Rh8# |
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| Jun-01-09 |
| sfm: Hah! Love the sneaky little innocent 29.Bg2. Must have surprised Black. "Huh? Pointing out in the blue. Should I be afraid of that?"
At 31.Qxh7+ it all became clear... |
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| Jun-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 29 Bg2! takes the e4-square |
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| Aug-24-09 |
| tentsewang: Fischer was ready to boom the double check and mate in 3. 31.Qxh7+ Kxh7 32.hxg6+ Kxg6 33.Be4# |
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| Nov-01-09 |
| jerseybob: Following up Charles Sullivan's post about the move a3, I'm thinking of a game I saw around 69 or 70 with Uhlmann as black against maybe Wade, though it's not in this database. In that game white(Wade?)didn't play a3 and allowed BLACK to play a3, to which white replied b3. Black then played the manuever Nc6-a7-b5 and had a total stranglehold. |
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