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|Mar-09-13|| ||kevin86: Another great Fischer combination-attack...typical.|
|Mar-09-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: Since today's game is well-known to several kibitzers, let's not allow Fischer week to pass without bringing up this brilliant endgame puzzle. |
It’s move 82, white to play and win.
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Here is the gamelink.
Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971
|Mar-09-13|| ||snakebyt: Why 28...Qe7? I suppose he didn't want to loose defensive wall. Why not take the Bishop!!! Be4 move still stumps me. yes, g6 square is the goal. If Panno takes the Bishop then what? A very risky move. Why not take e4 first? Pawns get wiped out either way.|
|Mar-09-13|| ||Patriot: After looking at several candidates, 28.Nxh7 (threatening 29.Nf6+ winning the queen) looks best.|
28...Nxh7 29.hxg6 fxg6 30.Qxg6+ Kh8 31.Qxe6 looks interesting.
28...Nxh7 29.hxg6 Nf8 30.Nh5
I'm short on time.
|Mar-09-13|| ||Marmot PFL: White can win if his Ng3 reaches f6, which it can do in 2 ways: from e4 (after Be4 de Nxe4), or from h5 (after elimination of the g6 pawn).|
There are some move order issues though, and 28 Nxh7 Nxh7 29 hg6 fg6 30 Qxg6+ Kh8 31 Qxe6 also looks good.
Returning to the first idea 28 Be4, de4 seems hopeless as 29 Nxe4 threatens 30 Nf6+ Kh8 31 Nxf7#. Black could defend f7 but with his king on h8 he will lose quickly after Nxh7.
By declining the bishop black allows this piece to enter the attack and white will continue with 29 Nxh7 Nxh7 30 hg fg 31 Bxg6 then the other knight route comes into play with 32 Nh5.
|Mar-09-13|| ||galdur: It´s the famous Be4 move. Nxh7 should win as well but is not as decisive. |
Panno became GM almost 60 years ago and still lives.
|Mar-09-13|| ||David2009: Fischer vs Panno, 1970 White 28?|
The positional sacrifice 28.Nxh7 Nxh7 29.29.hxg6 looks good e.g. 29...fxg6 30.Qxg6+ Kh8 31. Qxe6+ with three Pawns for the piece and a strong attack. Calling it a "positional sacrifice" means I don't have to bust my head looking for complicated dfence ;=). Time to check:
Fischer played 28.Be4 a move I hadn't seen. Brilliant! Puzzle position
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linked to Crafty End Game Trainer:
Playing the variations out, the main difference between the immediate Nxh7 and the preparatory Be4 seem to be that the second exchanges Bishops. The EGT replies 28...Be8 to 28.Be4.
The win for White is not as clear-cut as I would have expected in either line. This is the sort of unbalanced position where I would beat a weaker player, lose to a stronger player. Solutions starting 28.Nxh7 and 28.Be4 anyone? Congratulations if you can find them without using an engine!
It would be a fitting tribute to Fischers's genius if it could be proved that 28.Be4 wins but 28.Nxh7 does not.
|Mar-09-13|| ||Marmot PFL: <It would be a fitting tribute to Fischers's genius if it could be proved that 28.Be4 wins but 28.Nxh7 does not.>|
I thought that 28 Nxh7 gives white the advantage but 28 Be4 is winning.
Kasparov gives <28 Nxh7!? Nxh7 29 hg6 fg6 30 Qxg6+ Kh8 31 Qxe6 Ne7 32 f4 and wins> but calls the line "stereotyped" awards 28 Be4!!
|Mar-09-13|| ||Eyal: Position after 26.h5:
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Strangely, it turns out that the black queen does a better job of defending the K-side from b6 than from d8. If Black plays <26...Nf8!> immediately instead of retreating with the queen, then he can defend against 27.Ng5 with 27...Qxd4, which besides killing the Be4 idea also allows to meet 28.Nxh7 Nxh7 29.hxg6 with 29...Nf8!, when 30.Nh5 – which would win on the spot with the queen on d8 – can be met by 30...Qxe5, guarding f6 & g7 (31.g7 Nh7 and Black is still ok).
|Mar-09-13|| ||agb2002: A very famous position and game. Fischer's move 28.Be4 is a brilliant demonstration of talent: it reinforces the attack by bringing the fourth piece while Black cannot do the same to defend the king.|
The alternative 28.Nxh7 is not so clear:
A) 28... Nxh7 29.hxg6
A.1) 29... fxg6 30.Qxg6+ Kh8 (30... Kf8 31.Qxh7 + - [2P]) 31.Qxe6
A.1.a) 31... Ne7 32.Nf5 (32.f4 Qd7 33.Qxd7 (33.Qf7 Qxg4) 33... Bxd7 34.f5, unclear) 32... Nxf5 33.gxf5 seems to win the pawn on d5 with more than adequate compensation.
A.1.b) 31... Nb6 (32.Nf5 Bd7 33.Qg6 Bxf5 34.gxf5 Qg5 seems to force the trade of queens) 32.g5 Nxg5 (32... Qxg5 33.Qxb6) 33.Qh6+ Nh7 34.Nf5 Qf8 35.Qxb6 Qxf5 36.Qxb5 and the pawn on d5 looks lost again.
A.1.c) 31... Qg8 32.Qxg8+ Kxg8 33.Bxd5+ Kg7 34.Be4 (to prevent ... Bd3) and the four passed and connected pawns look much better than Black's extra knight.
A.2) 29... Nf8 30.Nh5 and 31.Qg7#.
A.3) 29... Nf6 30.Nh5 Nxh5 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.Qxf7#.
A.4) 29... Ng5 30.Nh5 and again mate soon.
B) 28... f5(6) 29.hxg6 Nd7 30.Nf5 exf5 31.Bxd5+ Kh8 32.Ng5#.
However, after 28.Be4 Be8 (the only clear reinforcement of the black castle) 29.hxg6 the attack looks winning:
A) 29... dxe4 30.g7 wins.
B) 29... hxg6 30.Nh5 gxh5 31.Bh7+ Nxh7 32.Nxh7 f6(5) 33.Nf6+ Kf7 34.gxh5 and the new h-pawn will decide the game. For example, 34... Ke7 35.Qg7+ Bf7 36.h6 Qf8 37.Nxd5+ Ke8 (37... exd5 38.Qf6+ and 39.h7) 38.Nc7+ Ke7 39.Qf6+ Kd7 40.h7, etc.
C) 29... fxg6 30.Nh5 Qe7 (30... gxh5 31.Bxh7+ Nxh7 32.Qxh7+ Kf8 33.Nxe6#) 31.Nf6+ Kh8 32.Bd3 and Black is paralyzed. For example, 32... a4 33.Nxe8 Qxe8 34.Bxg6 looks bad for Black. Or 32... Nd6 33.Nfxh7 (33.exd6 Qxf6) 33... Nxh7 34.Nxh7 Qxh7 35.Qf8+ Qg8 36.Qf6+ Qg7 (36... Kh7 37.exd6) 37.Qxe6 Qf7 38.Qxd6 + - [2P].
|Mar-09-13|| ||morfishine: I would like to see the win after 28.Be4 <28...Be8>|
|Mar-09-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: <snakebyt: Why 28...Qe7? I suppose he didn't want to loose defensive wall. Why not take the Bishop!!! Be4 move still stumps me. yes, g6 square is the goal.>|
Taking the Bishop loses rather quickly. The white knight gets to f6 in two moves and it is curtains.
|Mar-09-13|| ||RookFile: Another aspect of the position before 28. Be4 is that if it was black's turn to move instead, he might consider ....Bd3. After all, the move transforms a useless bishop into something that shores up the kingside defenses. Fischer gets there first with his Be4!|
|Mar-09-13|| ||2Towers: Happy birthday Bobby!|
|Mar-09-13|| ||beonlychampion: i got bishop e4 yippei. thou not all of them but most of them|
|Mar-09-13|| ||Patriot: <<morfishine>: I would like to see the win after 28.Be4 <28...Be8>> I was thinking 29.Nxh7 Nxh7 30.hxg6 fxg6 31.Bxg6 is similar to the 28.Nxh7 line. Also, 30...Nf8 31.g7 is another way.|
|Mar-10-13|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: Bishop e4 is the best move of the game !|
|Mar-10-13|| ||snakebyt: ,thegoodanarchist> Thanks. I see it now.|
|May-17-14|| ||RubinSteinitz: When Bobby Fischer played a move like he did here with 28. Be4, you KNOW there is a trap in there somewhere! What a genius that guy was!!!|
|Sep-07-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: This is pretty. Panno even gets in a little counter-attack and not only does the piece do him no good but he's mated immediately.|
|Sep-30-14|| ||jerseybob: LIFE Master AJ: How could you analyze this game and not discuss the consequences of 10..Qb6!?|
|Oct-08-14|| ||mrandersson: How about 29 Nf5 i did a little look into that and its seems ok a line i hand in mind was Nf5 exf5 gxf5 Qd7 Bxd5. Maybe engines will give some ideas?|
|Oct-10-14|| ||jerseybob: mranderson: Your suggested 29.Nf5 may or may not work - I didn't bother to check - because Fischer's 29.Nh7 is obviously the best move, the logical followup to his 28th. Does 29.Nh7 seem faulty to you?|
|Apr-30-15|| ||ToTheDeath: Great game- the bishop on b5 was a spectator to the proceedings. Panno must have been kicking himself for not trading it for the knight when he had the chance.|
|Nov-16-15|| ||Nightsurfer: <The King's Indian Attack> is a very effective tool against the Sicilian Defence - just see the corresponding games Fischer vs Myagmarsuren, 1967 and A Skripchenko vs I Krush, 2004 - and against the French Defence, herewith one of many examples: the recent encounter R Gralla vs S Demel, 2015 (though the foregoing battle is a less sophisticated case than the other examples, of course!).|
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