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|Mar-03-16|| ||john barleycorn: <peterh99: I can't believe the guy who says Fine's book was bad because he was able to buy it for $2 at a yard sale! I'm sure works by Shakespeare, Plato, and Garry Kasparov show up at yard sales....>|
well, used and rare books of quality won't sell at 2 US. And Fine is definitely not up there with Shakespeare and Plato. :-)
with Kasparov? yes, imho.
|Mar-03-16|| ||keypusher: <peterh99: I can't believe the guy who says Fine's book was bad because he was able to buy it for $2 at a yard sale! I'm sure works by Shakespeare, Plato, and Garry Kasparov show up at yard sales....>|
It was Reshevsky's book that <Howard> bought at an estate sale. And that's not why he thought it (and Fine's book) were bad. He thought they were bad because they stunk.
|Mar-03-16|| ||TheFocus: <keypusher> <He thought they were bad because they stunk.>|
Because they do stink. Fine's book is just a hair better than Reshevsky's, but that is a thin hair.
|Mar-03-16|| ||diceman: <TheFocus:
I have about 15 books on the match. The Reshevsky, the Fine, and the NY Times one were the worst of the worst.>
I had a Fine pamphlet on the Fischer-Petrosian Candidates Match.
That really stunk.
|Mar-04-16|| ||Howard: If you re-read my comment from February 25, you'll see that I did not buy Reshevsky's "book"---not even for a measly two bucks.|
As for Peterh99's comment, I certainly wasn't implying that all of Fine's books were bad. His well-known work Ideas Behind the Chess Openings, for example, was reasonably good IMO--I had that book for many years.
But his "book" on Fischer-Spassky was simply atrocious. Incidentally, one might want to check out Jeremy Silman's website to see his review of it. Case closed !!
|Mar-04-16|| ||Ulhumbrus: The books on the match by both Fine and Gligorich are very good, and well worth buying, as is the book written by Reshevsky.|
|Mar-04-16|| ||Howard: No problem with the Gligoric book, for I've seen that, too.|
But the "books" by the other two, you have to be kidding !!! But, to each his own.
|Mar-04-16|| ||john barleycorn: Why has there never been a book by Fischer or Spassky on this match?|
|Mar-04-16|| ||DWINS: My favorite is "Both Sides of the Chessboard" by Robert Byrne and Ivo Nei.|
The NY Times book is truly dreadful and I don't rate the Gligorich book as highly as others do here. It's good for the stories about the match, but I don't think the analysis is all that great. YMMV
|Mar-05-16|| ||Granny O Doul: Aside from the lack of game scores, Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World by Darrach was great, and (since we're speaking of yard sales and such) I feel that its purchase was among the best nickels I've ever spent. I also have owned the Evans, Fine and NY Times books. Fine's book was life-changing. I read it, went back and looked at my own games, and immediately committed myself to a mental institution.|
|Mar-05-16|| ||Howard: Are you still there?
As for Barleycorn's inquiry, one thing is undeniable---if Fischer had written a book on the match, it would have been a huge best-seller from a chess books standpoint (probably wouldn't have made the NYT best-seller list, though).
Or, for that matter, if Fischer had written a sequel to M60MG (i.e, his career from 1968-1972), that, too, would have sold well.
|Mar-05-16|| ||HeMateMe: fischer is both the hardest working and laziest world champion in chess history.|
|Mar-06-16|| ||Ulhumbrus: If one is going to guess or speculate on why Fischer did not write another book, one possible reason why Fischer did not write another book is this: Fischer could have thought that if he laboured for hundreds of hours writing a book it would not make him as much money as spending those hours on giving lessons to rich people who were willing to pay and charging a thousand dollars a lesson. |
Someone once told me another reason: Fischer was not educated and unable to write a book, and it was actually Larry Evans who wrote the manuscript for the book <My 60 memorable games>.
I forget who it was that said that the mediocre authors wrote too much while the best authors wrote too little. Najdorf wrote a very good book on the Zurich 1953 tournament- a book almost as good as Bronstein's book - but did not write any others, it seems. So it could have been with Fischer.
Another possible reason is indicated by a comment by Fischer. Fischer said that he would refuse to play Soviet players until the Soviet government paid him his royalties for publishing a Russian edition of his book in the Soviet Union. Eventually Ilyumzhinov did pay him $100000 but by then it was too late: he had withdrawn from chess.
|Mar-06-16|| ||Absentee: <Ulhumbrus: ...giving lessons to rich people who were willing to pay and charging a thousand dollars a lesson.>|
This is the first time I hear something like this. Did Fischer actually use to do that or was it just an example?
|Mar-06-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Ulhumbrus,
I always thought the general opinion was Fischer supplied the memories, background and analysis in M60MG's, Evans put it into text which was then passed by Fischer.
We do have an example of Fischer's prose, albeit written whilst still recovering from a stressful experience.
Interesting is the last paragraph where Fischer himself admits ' I do not pretend that this is literature.' perhaps hinting that in his eyes it could do with a re-write.
Lombardy's book of the '72 match with a 'warts an all' exposure would have been well received.
Najdorf also wrote 'My Life and Games' which is a recommended good read full of anecdotes and some cracking good games.
|Mar-06-16|| ||TheFocus: I have read a lot of Bobby's writings and do not agree that he was a poor writer. For people to say that Evans was the real force behind <MSMG> is stupid.|
Fischer spoke quite well and I think he was a good writer. He wasn't a college professor, he was a chess player.
|Mar-06-16|| ||Howard: Agreed! Fischer supplied the analysis to that book, as well as the personal memories, such as relating how Geller "looked happy" when making an opening novelty in their 1961 Bled encounter.|
The introductions to the games, however, were definitely written by Evans, as he repeatedly stated.
|Mar-06-16|| ||Ron: Concerning Fine's book about the Fischer-Spassky match: I read the book around twenty years ago, got it from the public library. It turned out to be a smart move that I didn't spend money on it. I don't recall any insightful chess analysis from the book. If I recall correctly, there was psycho-analytic bull @#$% in it, for example calling Fischer a depressive and calling chess players repressed homosexuals.|
|Mar-10-16|| ||Hunter16: Even as primarily an e4 player,Fischer played the QGD pretty well|
|Mar-10-16|| ||Howard: Presumably, you mean he played the QGD well as Black. With White, you can't really say that because how many games did he play it with White? Only 3-4, by my count.|
|Mar-16-16|| ||Hunter16: Yup,I meant he played AGAINST it pretty well.|
|Mar-18-16|| ||The Kings Domain: Adroit maneuvering by Fischer. One can't help but admire the effiecient simplicity of his moves here.|
|Mar-18-16|| ||diceman: <Ulhumbrus:
Someone once told me another reason: Fischer was not educated and unable to write a book, and it was actually Larry Evans who wrote the manuscript for the book <My 60 memorable games>.>
The original working title for the book was:
"60 Memorable Game Introductions"
|Mar-20-16|| ||t6chess: A masterpiece of the highest skill Fischer|
|Apr-30-16|| ||Dragi: pure f.....g perfection|
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