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|Sep-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: Yes, but it looks like Kashdan didn't say that, you did.|
In your first paragraph, you report a factual statement (Kashdan says that Fischer didn't win the game, though a queen ahead). In your second statement, you paraphrase the factual statement to mean "Fischer is not a good player". Kashdan would not have said that, least of all over a simul game (!). It looks like your paraphrase is inaccurate.
Furthermore, are you sure you have the right game? Fischer is a couple of pawns ahead, but never a whole queen.
|Sep-23-14|| ||offramp: Kashdan said that for Fischer a <slight advantage> was as good so being a queen ahead. It is so annoying to have to repeat that. Has reading comprehension gone so far down? |
Fischer had much more than a slight advantage. So by Kashdan's logic Fischer was more than a queen ahead. But he only drew.
|Sep-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: You didn't have to repeat it, as that wasn't the question I asked. I'm not trying to embarrass you here, but them's the facts.|
Reading comprehension is important, but being able to write coherently is important too. Referring to Kashdan's comment as a "criticism" is where you muddied the waters. Perhaps you should have said "critique".
|Sep-25-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: I believe Serwain said Kasparov was like a "1000 eyed monster who can see everything at the chessboard" or something to that effect.|
But there was that game that one time Kasparov lost (Gasp!) So even though he had 1000 eyes he couldn't win. He should win every game with 1000 eyes. What a criticism from Seirwan!
|Sep-25-14|| ||HeMateMe: "Best by test" was perhaps worked out by Fischer in his head, by analyzing a few thousand games. I'd say he did his homework.|
|Sep-25-14|| ||HeMateMe: black seems to be strategically lost by move 30, his pieces are all tied down.|
|Nov-25-14|| ||yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/rXwSvmec
this game Stockfish multiPV analysis
|Dec-24-14|| ||upmitvaliant8791: Brilliant game by Fischer! Perhaps unequalled.|
|Dec-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: <Yeah, but Fischer himself was one of the most booked players of his day, which accounted for a lot (although not all) of his edge.>|
I think that is overplayed. He studied a lot to master the game, not memorize variations. If he had a weakness in the openings, after being taken out of book, then at least a few good players would have scored TNs against him. I've never heard of anyone getting a TN past Fischer, after say, age 20.
Chess is too deep to memorize everything. A guy like Fischer could defeat TNs over the board, without having been able to memorize that particular variation and it's nuances.
|Mar-08-15|| ||samsloan: In an interview published on chessbase Grandmaster Yuri Averbakh has this to say: "I spoke mainly about the flaws in the theoretical preparation and as an example gave the opening of the sixth game, where Spassky could have played better. I remember the look of surprise on Geller’s face when I pointed out the improvement. The most interesting thing, though, was that a few months after our meeting Geller “caught out” the Dutchman Timman using the variation I’d recommended." This apparently refers to the game Timman-Geller AVRO 1973 where Geller played 14. ..... Qb7, a pawn sacrifice but if Timman takes the pawn his king is left stranded in the middle of the board.|
|Jul-14-15|| ||BwanaVa: I would note that the "Best by Test" gained its analytical fame by its use in Bobby's "My Sixty Memorable Games". Whether pinned by Fischer or by Evans, it is used at least once and I believe three times as the annotation after Fischer opened 1. P-K4...so I imagine there is a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek to its usage in this discussion...|
|Jul-25-15|| ||fisayo123: From move 10 onward, virtually every move Fischer plays is the 1st recommendation of my engine.|
|Jul-25-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi fisayo123,
A good spot.
Things have been quiet on this thread for far too long. Lets get the rumour machine rolling. (and now doubt see it in print in yet another book on Fischer in 5 years time.)
The percentage match up is far too high for a human. So Fischer did have something hidden in his chair. It was fisayo123's computer!
Geller kept the TN 14...Qb7 from Spassky because he wanted to use it himself.
Timman vs Geller, 1973
(It was Miles who said Kasparov was the 1,000 eyed monster.)
Kasparov vs Miles, 1986
Hmmm....that last bit is a fact - what's it doing in this post.
|Jul-25-15|| ||AylerKupp: <<fisayo123> From move 10 onward, virtually every move Fischer plays is the 1st recommendation of my engine.|
Many today would cite that as irrefutable evidence that Fischer was cheating.
<Sally Simpson> Happy? :-)
|Jul-25-15|| ||diceman: <AylerKupp:
Many today would cite that as irrefutable evidence that Fischer was cheating.>
Fischer had an Apple watch that had a wireless link to the Greenblatt computer.
|Jul-25-15|| ||Sally Simpson: HI AylerKupp,
Good. A few more posts should do it and the 'they never landed on the Moon' crowd with have a new piece of paranoia to add to their collection.
Twice Fischer grabbed the QNP. Everyone knows how materialistic computers are. What more proof do you need.
Obviously the no cameras demand was so they would not detect the large bulge in the chair and the wires leading to Fischer's earpiece.
Spassky popped round to Fischer's hotel room and told him the game that day was cancelled. They sat about chatting for a few hours looking at and swapping opening traps.
Meanwhile a Spassky double sat at the board in the playing venue. Spassky won it by default.
|Jul-25-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <SpiritedReposte: I believe Serwain said Kasparov was like a "1000 eyed monster who can see everything at the chessboard" or something to that effect.>|
I thought it was Tony Miles who said that about GK.
Anyway, look how Fischer uses pins to achieve positional objectives. First, he utilizes a pin on the a-pawn in order to block a b-pawn expansion by Black, with White's LSB.
Then just 3 moves later he utilizes another pin to achieve the exchange of White's knight for Black's LSB.
This gives Fischer a permanent positional imbalance of B vs. N, which is to White's advantage.
Also, this is one of those infrequent GOTDs that has both a good title and high-level play.
|Jul-25-15|| ||tamar: Tony Miles said Kasparov was a 27 eyed monster, but gradually the number has gone up in the telling.|
<I thought I was playing the World Champion - not some 27 - eyed monster who sees everything. - (on losing May 1986 match 5-1/2 - 1/2) - Tony Miles>
|Jul-25-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <tamar>: Thanks! The internet community comes through again with the straight facts.|
|Jul-25-15|| ||perfidious: Only number I ever saw was one thousand, not 27.|
|Jul-25-15|| ||tamar: <perfidious> Tony originally was reported to have said 27, but the number was so quirky, it almost immediately was amended.|
Edward Winter has a clipping from Chess Life that says 27, but Tony is said to have said 100 in another article.
|Jul-25-15|| ||perfidious: <tamar> One of those anecdotes which appears to have been improved upon with each retelling.|
|Jul-25-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Sally Simpson> Remember the joke about the guy who bought quite a few things at a store and started to take them home on a wheelbarrow. Security naturally stopped him, but he produced a receipt for each and every item in the wheelbarrow, so they let him go. This happened several times, and each time he produced a proper receipt for all the items in the wheelbarrow. It never occurred to them that he was stealing the wheelbarrows.|
Likewise, there are unconfirmed reports that Fischer's chair during the Taimanov, Larsen, and Petrosian Candidates matches also had a large bulge, and that when Fischer showed up for each game he openly attached his earpiece to the bulge in his chair before he started each game. They checked the bulge at the start of each match and often after hours when there were no players around but each and every time the bulge just contained a radio, and the only sound through the headphones was music.
Accustomed to this, they never bothered to check the bulge or the earpiece during the match with Spassky.
|Jul-25-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi AylerKupp:,
Think we now have enough on the Fischer - Spassky match get another book out.
Maybe add that the score to Game 8 that went around the world (and on this site) was not actually the game Fischer and Spassky played.
Geller substituted the real game for a made up game because it had a TN in it that he used in a later game.
Right now I'm interest in how many eyes Kasparov has in his match v Tony Miles.
The monster Argus Panoptes has 100 eyes and there is a monster villain in Edogawa Rampo's detective novels who has 21 faces. (I'm assuming therefore 42 eyes - but he may be a Cyclops.)
Wiki's piece on Miles states:
"Against Garry Kasparov, Miles had little success, not winning a game against him, and losing a 1986 match in Basel by the score of 5˝–˝. Following this encounter, Miles described Kasparov as a "monster with a thousand eyes who sees all" (some sources alternatively quote Miles as having the opinion that Kasparov had 22 or 27 eyes)."
I think we should take a vote on it and see if the ayes have it.
Suppose I'd better throw something on topic about this game.
1.e4 'Best by Test.'
1.c4 'Gives e4 a rest.'
|Jul-26-15|| ||AylerKupp: <diceman> Yes, that must have been the secret of Fischer's success. He found out what move the Greenblatt computer was suggesting and played a different move.|
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