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| Jun-02-09 |
| DWINS: <Riverbeast>, <keypusher> is correct. Don't feed the troll. Acknowledging his post is exactly what he wants. Ignore him and he will go away. |
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| Jun-02-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: I think Dwins has some good advice. |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| totololo: < Eyal > TY I found it on Amazon. I'll read it. Yours obliged.... |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| chillowack: <WhiteRook48: Of course Fischer isn't Jewish! He ranted against Jews all the time!>
Fischer's mother was Jewish, and therefore Fischer was Jewish by ancestry, according to the standard measure. |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| Riverbeast: Both Fischer's parents were Jewish, actually.
He was Jewish by blood, even though he renounced the religion (and threw a fit if anyone referred to him as a Jew) |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| chillowack: Are you sure about that, Riverbeast? Fischer's birth certificate listed a German, Hans Gerhardt-Fischer as the father, not a Jew. It has been speculated that a Hungarian Jew named Nemenyi may have been Fischer's real biological father, but has that been proven? |
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Jun-03-09
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| chancho: <but has that been proven?> Yes:
http://www.anusha.com/bobbystory.htm |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| chillowack: Chancho, I read that article too. As far as I can tell, it doesn't *prove* anything, it only *suggests* Nemenyi was the father. The evidence appears to be inconclusive. While it appears Gerhardt Fischer was not in America at the time of Fischer's birth, and Nemenyi's son claimed Bobby Fischer was his half-brother, both these points amount only to *support* for the theory, not proof. I am open to additional evidence and/or other viewpoints, though. |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: Just take a look at the picture of the two men. |
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Jun-03-09
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| chancho: <Chillowack> You might find this of some interest: http://www.chess.com/article/view/w... |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| chillowack: Indeed, I find it very interesting Chancho, thank you. I agree there is a strong case to be made here, though the definitive truth is still not known, and may never be. |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| Riverbeast: <chillowack> It's been confirmed beyond all doubt that Nemenyi was the father. The article <chancho> linked refers to the investigative work done by two journalists, Clea Benson and Peter Nicholas, about Fischer's father. I heard the two of them speak at a Fischer symposium recently held at the Marshall Chess Club in NYC....They're planning to publish an aticle about their findings sometime soon. Among the evidence they presented were letters from Regina Fischer to Nemenyi, talking about child support payments for Bobby. |
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Jun-04-09
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| chancho: From the symposium that <Riverbeast> just cited: <Clea Benson & Peter Nicholas> <The last presentation titled “Fischer and His Jewish Father”was given by Peter Nicholas and Clea Benson. Below are some of the highlights from their presentation. They have done extensive research on who was really Bobby Fischer's father. For the record Gerhardth Fischer is listed as Bobby's father. However from researching documents relating to his mother, Regina Wender Fischer it's quite apparent that his actual father was a Hungarian by the name of Paul Nemenyi. Below is a side by side comparision of Fischer and Nemenyi at similar ages. The resemblance is quite striking.> <Using the Freedom of Information Act, Benson and Nicholas have obtained FBI files regarding Regina Fischer. Included amongst the various documents is proof that Paul Nemenyi paid child support for Fischer. There were also documents from the probate court after Nemenyi died, indicating that he had fathered Bobby out of wedlock. Also Regina Fischer signed a document denouncing any claim to Nemenyi's estate.> <There were a lot of other interesting things they brought up from their research in Hungary. There is book about Fischer in Hungarian that has not been translated into English. In this book is an interview with a Hungarian woman chess master, Zita Rajcsanyi who was friends of Fischer. She was asked if Fischer had aknowldeged that Nemenyi was his father. She said yes.> |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| Brown: Still seems not quite <beyond all doubt>. Compelling, true. |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| Riverbeast: <Still seems not quite beyond all doubt>. Why would Paul Nemenyi pay child support for Bobby, and Regina sign a paper renouncing claims to Nemenyi's estate, if Bobby wasn't his kid? Also the documents from the probate court, indicating Nemenyi was the father? How much more proof is necessary? |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| Brown: For beyond all doubt, more, like DNA. Merely an issue of probabilities. Likely, Nemenyi is the father. The evidence is compelling, but iron-clad? No. |
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Jun-04-09
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| chancho: Couldn't have said it better <Riverbeast>. |
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| Jun-05-09 |
| chillowack: Strictly speaking, only Brown is upholding the gold-standard of proof here. The only way you can really say "beyond all doubt" is by testing the DNA--which, by the way, might be possible to do (if, for instance, a strand of Nemenyi's hair could be exhumed or something). That said: based on everything that has been presented, I would now say the case for Nemenyi as father is very strong, and I thank everyone who has shared here. I doubt the part about Fischer admitting his father was Jewish. He would never have done such a thing, he was a rabid anti-Semite and would much more likely have clung to the facade of the German father. |
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| Jun-19-09 |
| Champ Chess Player: The sacrifice 38. Rxf6 was very smart! |
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Jul-20-09
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| LIFE Master AJ: All things about Fischer's (later) behavior aside ... This is a wonderful game.
If you go to this web page, http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-...; you will find this game annotated. Additionally, there is a free CB file that you can download. I spent about 2 weeks updating this game and fixing up an old web page. |
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| Aug-30-09 |
| tentsewang: Fischer was a true chess genius like Morphy but his attitude and his lunatic behavior was just unacceptable. In this Game after Spassky resigned, the game could has went like this: 41.Qf4 Kg8 42. Qxh6 Rh7 43.Rg6+ Qxg6 44. Qxg6+ Rhg7 45. e7+ Kh8 46.e8=Q+ Rg8 47.Qexg8# 1-0 |
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Sep-04-09
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| LIFE Master AJ: I gave some similar analysis on my web page ... |
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| Sep-05-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Fischer played the KID once as white |
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Sep-07-09
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Sep-05-09 <WhiteRook48>: "Fischer played the KID once as white"> <WR48> MORE than once ... he often used it when he thought he would be facing a French OR the Caro-Kann. Check out, "My Sixty Memorable Games," by Bobby Fischer. |
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| Nov-04-09 |
| KraziPawn: LIFE Master/WR48?, don't you mean that Fischer played the KIA when he thought he would face the French or the Caro-(Scam)?.
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the KID never sees the light of day vs the French, or the Caro-Kann.
Then again, I haven't studied the game since 96', I have little idea what's going on in today's chess world. |
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sac: 38.Rxf6
