|Oct-11-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: This is exactly what KID players should strive for - a complete and utter infiltration of the white camp. What if 14.gxf4? |
|Oct-11-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: Okay, I think I see it, after capturing with the e and f pawns and ideas involving Nd3+ black wins a bishop back, or black's dual e and f pawns completely storm the white king. |
|Apr-03-04|| ||Lawrence: This game is analyzed at Jon Edwards's http://www.queensac.com/archive/tou... |
|Apr-03-04|| ||Lawrence: 20.Nd1? (20.Be3), 23.Rhg1? (23.a3), 24.a3? (24.Nf2) eval -9.44 (Junior 8) |
|Nov-23-05|| ||KingG: I think White should have played 14.gxf4!?. It would have been uncomftorable, but i think White can hang on. eg 14.gxf4 fxe4 15.Nxe4 exf4 16.Bd2 (16.Bc1 Bf5 ) 16...Nd3+ 17.Kf1 Bh3+ 18.Kg1 Nxb2 19.Qc2 Nxc4 20.Bc3 Bf5 unclear.|
|Nov-23-05|| ||RookFile: This is really an incredible game
by Kasparov against a solid and experienced GM. Playing over his moves, they look more like magic
than anything else. White had what
appeared to be a solid setup, and all of a sudden, black is ready to sacrifice a piece.
|Nov-23-05|| ||KingG: Yes, i agree, Kasparov's games in the KID really are beautiful.|
|Dec-02-05|| ||TopaLove: I think 14.gxf4 exf4 15.♗xf4 fxe4 and both bishops are under attack. The centralized king is in a dangerous position.|
|Dec-02-05|| ||who: <RookFile> I'm not sure what point in the game you're talking about, but after 10...Nf4! the position already looks heavily in black's favor.|
|Dec-02-05|| ||RookFile: If you say so. Kavelek must have wondered, as did I, how that knight is going to escape if it is attacked. Kavalek may have taken the view that
his eager black opponent was overextending himself.
Of course, now we know the truth: Kasparov had seen deeply. But, if he position were set up, and I saw that with fresh eyes, the first thing I'd wonder about is the most efficient way for white to win that knight, or at least drive to h5 where it is vulnerable to Bxh5.
|Dec-02-05|| ||euripides: Korchnoi had a similar reaction: Korchnoi vs Romanishin, 1985|
|Dec-02-05|| ||RookFile: Thanks eurpides. I'm not up on the theory of this, and don't know what the objective truth is, but surely the theme of how exactly that knight is going to escape is an important one in this variation.|
|Dec-02-05|| ||euripides: <rook> Another way to play this system is with Bg5 preventing the knight excursion as in Ivanchuk vs Kasparov, 1994|
|Dec-02-05|| ||who: RookFile - I didn't exactly mean that. I meant that after 10...Nf4 I think it's clear that the position is not equal. Either Kavalek can win the knight and with it the game, or if not, then Kasparov's position is dominating. Though just to be honest from the site Lawrence posted. 20.Be3! when Kasparov intended 20...Bh6 21.Bxh6 Rxf3 22.Rxf3 Bxf3+ 23.Kxf3 Qf6+ 24.Kg2 Qf2+ 25.Kh3 Qf3 26.Rh2 g5 27.Bxg5 Qf1+ 28.Kg4 h5+ 29.Kxh5 Qf3+ 30.Kh6 Qf8+ 31.Kh5 Qf3+ =|
|Dec-02-05|| ||keypusher: Korchnoi to Romanishin: "You, sir, are no Garry Kasparov."|
|Dec-06-05|| ||notyetagm: <Shadout Mapes: This is exactly what KID players should strive for - a complete and utter infiltration of the white camp.>|
Yes. After White has weakened his d3- and d4-squares by playing c2-c4 and e2-e4, those <two weak squares> make excellent posts for the Black pieces. Here Kasparov creates an octopus Black d3-knight and it paralyzes the White position.
|Dec-06-05|| ||notyetagm: This type of penetration is your goal on the Black side of the KID:|
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|Dec-06-05|| ||RookFile: Really? where I come from, black usually plays on the King side in the king's indian. |
By the way, if you get the position
you have in the above diagram, analysis above shows that correct play with Ke2 leads to a draw.
|Dec-06-05|| ||notyetagm: <RookFile> There are system against the KID whose main goal is to minimize Black's kingside intentions. The 6 h3 system played in this game is one of them. If you expect to play the KID like Taimanov vs Najdorf, 1953 every game, then you are going to be dead lost when you cannot. Against the h3 systems Black's goal is to attack the enemy king trapped/left in the center, just like Kasparov does in this game. This magnificent effort by Gazza is a model game in how to play against the h3 system.|
|Dec-06-05|| ||notyetagm: < RookFile: ... By the way, if you get the position you have in the above diagram, analysis above shows that correct play with Ke2 leads to a draw.>|
By the way, I didn't say "this position" I said "this type of position". Just in case you missed that point.
|Aug-18-08|| ||KingG: <TopaLove> <I think 14.gxf4 exf4 15.Bxf4 fxe4 and both bishops are under attack. The centralized king is in a dangerous position.>
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Yes, but 16.Bg5 saves both bishops, and after 16...Qe8 17.Be2 Nd3+ 18.Bxd3 exd3+ 19.Be3, I'm not sure if Black has enough compensation for the piece.
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|Jun-10-09|| ||hedgeh0g: KingG, you may be right, but White's concern is that Black gets a lot of pressure against White's King which is trapped in the centre. The investment of a piece for a strong attack where White's pieces get tied up may be well worth making. Fritz assesses the position as approximately equal, but White needs to play accurately to prevent getting overwhelmed by the Black pieces. A possible continuation after 19. Be3 is 19...Bxc3+! (allowing the Queen to enter) 20. bxc3 Qe4 (hitting the Rook) 21. Kd2 Bh3 (getting the bishop out of the way for the other Rook to come to the e-file and threatening the manoeuvre Bh3-g2-f3) 22. Rg1 Rae8 and Black gets a nice attack - the Rooks sit nicely on the open files, the Queen can munch a pawn or two on the queenside and exchange sacs are in the air.|
So I agree that it's not clear-cut and Black may not have enough compensation for the piece, but it creates a lot of difficulties for White.
|Dec-18-11|| ||King Death: < notyetagm: There are system against the KID whose main goal is to minimize Black's kingside intentions. The 6 h3 system played in this game is one of them...>|
Another good system is the fianchetto lines. If you hate facing those kingside avalanches, this one's for you!
|Mar-10-15|| ||saintdufus: <notyetagm: This type of penetration is your goal on the Black side of the KID:>|
To me, the position you cite looks atypical for the King's Indian Defense. I'm not sure this type of penetration is something rank and file players should be aiming for when playing the KID. I agree with RookFile that the kingside--not octopodes entrenched in the center--is the thematic attacking ground of KID players.
To achieve this kind of penetration, you need to possess fantastically exceptional tactical skill, which few mortals have. Kasparov's play is like hopping from one turtle's back to another across a river: very few people have the dexterity to do it successfully.