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| Aug-19-02 | | pawntificator: of course black needed no help in this game, but why not 35...c3? |
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Aug-19-02
 | | Sneaky: 36. Qxc3 bxc3 37. Rxb6 |
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| Sep-16-02 | | pawntificator: I wish that feature to erase your stupid comments had been available back then...or that the opportunity didn't expire |
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| Jul-20-03 | | Tigran Petrosian: A rolliking good game! |
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| Jan-02-04 | | Benjamin Lau: This game is quite unusual. Soltis awards white 4 !'s and black 9 !'s and 2 !!'s... And no ? or ??'s, amazingly. Perhaps a rare case of a plan being defeated by an unusual one? http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster... |
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Jan-03-04
 | | paulalbert: Interesting to note that this game which is now considered among one of the great games in chess history only won a shared 4th and 5th best game prize at the 1935 Moscow Tournament. This tournament certainly ranks among the great tournaments in chess history. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | ughaibu: Paulalbert: Yes, that's interesting, do you know which games were awarded higher prizes? |
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Jan-03-04
| | paulalbert: Yes.1st and 2nd were shared equally.Lasker over Capablanca; and Botvinnik over Riumin 3rd Spielmann over Chekhover. The other shared 4th and 5th game was Riumin over Rabinovich. Equal shared 6th and 7th best game prizes were Capablanca over Ragozin; and Levenfish over Bogatyrchuk This information is from the tournament book: the English translated version published in 1998 by Dale A.Brandreth Books who has also published several other great historic tournament books ( the red covered books ), most of which I own. One of my chess colleagues, the well known chess set collector William J.Levine has the original Moscow 1935 Book in Russian, quite interesting to compare.
I suspect all these games are on chessgames site. Could be interesting for some one to set these games up on a game list. Sorry that I don't have the computer knowledge to do so myself. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | ughaibu: Thanks. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benzol: Hopefully I can get this done properly.
Riumin vs Botvinnik, 1935 Lasker vs Capablanca, 1935 Capablanca vs Ragozin, 1935 Bogatyrchuk vs Levenfish, 1935 The Spielmann - Chekhover and Riumin - Rabinovich games don't appear to be in the database. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benjamin Lau: This game is one of my all time favorites. It's the most beautiful and well played Nimzo Indian game I have ever seen. The double exchange sacrifice is very pretty and reminiscient of Petrosian. The finale is just superb. I think Soltis ranked this game as the 6th best game ever played. He called it a "glittering lesson between the relationship of material and position." A classic game. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benzol: <Benjamin Lau> Ben in the tournament book in which Ragozin apparently annotated this game, he says that White's 27.♘g3? was premature and should have been prepared by 27.♖e1 first. Does Soltis comment on this in his notes? |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benjamin Lau: 27. Ng3 is a very controversial move. Ragozin condemned it, giving it a ?, but many analysts later on awarded the move a !. Soltis, however, does not mark the move, which I guess means he believes it is the logical continuation. Computers have proven useless in ascertaining the truth to 27. Ng3 because of all the subtle positional factors in this game. 27. Ng3 probably deserves a !?. See http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster... for very complicated and detailed annotations. They show how profound the game is. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benjamin Lau: Benzol, if you're still there, I just searched John Watson's annotations in "Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy" and like Soltis, he doesn't give a !?, ?!, ??, ?, !, !! or anything else to 27. Ng3. |
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| Jan-03-04 | | Benzol: <Benjamin Lau> Thanks Ben. I'll see if I can find anything else out in my library also. |
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| Jan-04-04 | | euripides: Kotov and Yudovich in their book on Soviet chess claim this game got the best game prize. I guess they just got their facts wrong. |
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| Jan-04-04 | | ughaibu: It could be a mistake of translation, "a best game prize" being rendered as "the best game prize". |
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| Jan-04-04 | | euripides: True, I hadn't thought of this - I don't think Russians use a definite or indefinite article, and the translation often reads as if done by a non-English speaker. |
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| Jan-04-04 | | Benjamin Lau: I am such an idiot. Several posts ago, I said "Perhaps [this game is] a rare case of a plan being defeated by an unusual one?" I meant to say "Perhaps [this game is] a rare case of a plan being defeated by a superior one?" That is, maybe this is one of those rare games where someone doesn't lose due to errors and the other random nonsense in typical play, but because the other player had the better plan, the better ideas. In other words, winning because the winner played well, not because the loser played poorly. |
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| Jan-05-04 | | ughaibu: Benjamin Lau: That's a point worth wondering about, but I would think that most losses by really strong players (the handfull per generation) were caused by incorrect decisions rather than by perceptible mistakes. |
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| Jan-05-04 | | Benjamin Lau: Really? I thought it was the other way around. I thought the greatest players come up with the correct plan like 95% of the time, and the only reason they lose is because the execution of the plan- the tactics usually- can become inconsistent and someone may blunder? |
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| Jan-05-04 | | ughaibu: I was thinking of decisive games between the likes of Capablanca, Rubinstein and Lasker, the decisive mistakes are such that even a world champion might be forgiven for not finding them by calculation. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll take a look later if I get time. |
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| Jan-05-04 | | Benzol: <paulalbert> Could you ask your chess colleague Mr William J Levine if he could recommend a book about chess sets and collecting them? What I'm after is a good general treatise on the subject. |
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Jan-07-04
| | paulalbert: For Benzol: Sorry I could not respond yesterday. One correction: I noticed I made a typo on my previous message: it's William F. ( not J. ) Levine but he goes by "Billy" even though he is over 80.On your question, by happenstance my sister gave me the book you are looking for for Christmas: Master Pieces by Gareth Wiliams , a Quintet Book published by Apple Press in London in 2000. Great pictures of collector sets from all over world and discussion text.
Williams is one of founders of Chess Collectors International, an organization of serious collectors of chess books, sets, etc. which Billy is very active in. Billy's wife Hope is Secretary and Williams wife Vel is also an officer. Go to the web site for some interesting links.Their next big conclave is in Madrid this year.I am serious player and somewhat of a chess patron, not a collector. My chess book collection is an accident of time, a result of buying chess books for 50 years.I'll see Billy at his house tomorrow for our chess group's monthly playing session, so I'll give you some additional feedback. Paul Albert |
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| Jan-10-04 | | Benzol: <paulalbert> Paul thankyou for your response. I'll certainly keep an eye out for "Master Pieces" by Gareth Williams.
I'm sorry I didn't respond earlier but my father is in hospital and I've been trying to deal with his problems and so have had little time to catch up with other people's posts. Once again many thanks and I look forward to your future correspondence. |
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