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Harold James Plaskett vs Anthony Miles
"I Can c4 Miles" (game of the day Dec-08-2011)
Lugano open (1986), Lugano SUI, Mar-??
English Opening: King's English Variation. General (A20)  ·  1-0
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Dec-08-11  goodevans: I knew I'd seen this pun used before!
Dec-08-11
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  HeMateMe: Pete Townshend stole Rhine's pun.
Dec-08-11
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  Penguincw: Great game of the day! This could also be Puzzle of the Day. Maybe a little too easy for Mondays though...
Dec-08-11  botvinnik64: anyone see THE WHO on youtube? Check out their stuff from 1966-67 especially at The Marquee and Dr Who amazing footage of Pete and Keith
Dec-08-11
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  kevin86: The pun was good-the game better. A queen sac sets off a series of discovered attacks and horse hopping.
Dec-08-11
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  FSR: <HeMateMe: Pete Townshend stole Rhine's pun.>

The bastard!

Dec-08-11
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  FSR: <kevin86> It's definitely a cool game, although if you look back at the November 7 comments, Plaskett (Parsifal2) himself now says that his sac was unsound.
Nov-28-12
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  kingscrusher: Plaskett's Immortal - he has expressed this may be his top Immortal game. It is also mentioned in his Kingpin chess magazine interview - No. 20 , Spring 1993

"My win vs Miles from the Lugano Open 1986 was a unique experience. I have not seen any other chess game that reminded me of it and also during play itself the sensation was very strange. It felt as if the chessmen were moving themselbves and the two players bore no more responsibility for the astonishing creation that resulted then had they been demonstration board operators who merely display the decisions of third parties."

Nov-30-12
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  kingscrusher: Video annotation for Plaskett's "Immortal game" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bobV...

Nov-30-12
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  Fusilli: <FSR: <kevin86> It's definitely a cool game, although if you look back at the November 7 comments, Plaskett (Parsifal2) himself now says that his sac was unsound.>

And so were so many of Tal's sacs, and yet he was world champion.

Computers suggest excellent, and in some cases, even perfect play, but it is a mistake to judge every move based on perfect play. Any evaluation of a move or a plan, I think, should be contingent on the *likelihood* that perfect play is actually played... by a human.

I would love to have an experiment where we I produce Plaskett's sac in five different GM games. If in four out of five White wins, then the sac is great, even if the computer finds the perfect defense that would have refuted it.

Nov-30-12  scormus: <Fusilli: <FSR: <kevin86> It's definitely a cool game, ... Plaskett (Parsifal2) himself now says that his sac was unsound.>

...Computers suggest excellent, and in some cases, even perfect play, ... Any evaluation of a move or a plan, I think, should be contingent on the <*likelihood*> ....>

Now that's prune if ever there was. Ah, I should explain by means of a little antidote ....

When our friend Parsifal was a young gun (or was it sword?) striving for his first ever IM norm and trying to earn a crust by picking up the occasional tournament prize .... he wasn't sure how he should declare his winnings to Big B(r)other (that is, the IRS). So he explained the source of his weath and was told by the officer

<Oh no, you don't have to declare chess winnings as income. It counts as gambling!>

I guess the IRS officer must have had a rating of at least 2600 to know that ;)

Nov-30-12
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  perfidious: <Fusilli> You, ill-tempered? Ha! That description better fits me by far at times!

As to the alternative slang definitions, must be a joke.

One also suspects that <scormus> intended to use 'anecdote' rather than 'antidote'-not that he'll be seeing this message in any case.

Dec-01-12
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  FSR: <Fusilli> I find it a little dispiriting when a computer program finds some absurd defense that one probably couldn't even find in (non-computer-aided) correspondence chess. You're right that chess is actually played by flesh-and-blood humans who rarely find such things over the board.
Dec-01-12
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  FSR: <scormus: ... When our friend Parsifal was a young gun (or was it sword?) striving for his first ever IM norm and trying to earn a crust by picking up the occasional tournament prize .... he wasn't sure how he should declare his winnings to Big B(r)other (that is, the IRS). So he explained the source of his weath and was told by the officer

<Oh no, you don't have to declare chess winnings as income. It counts as gambling!>

I guess the IRS officer must have had a rating of at least 2600 to know that ;) >

If an American IRS agent told anyone that, (s)he should be fired for incompetence. In the first place, I don't think chess constitutes gambling. "Gambling income includes, but is not limited to, winnings from lotteries, raffles, horse races, and casinos." (Quoted from IRS Topic 419, below.) Chess is not on the list of specific items, nor is it closely analogous to any of them - no cards, dice, etc. Second, gambling income is fully taxable and, indeed, gambling losses cannot be directly offset against gambling winnings:

<Topic 419 - Gambling Income and Losses

The following rules apply to casual gamblers. Gambling winnings are fully taxable and must be reported on your tax return. You must file Form 1040 (PDF) and include all of your winnings. Gambling income includes, but is not limited to, winnings from lotteries, raffles, horse races, and casinos. It includes cash winnings and also the fair market value of prizes such as cars and trips. For additional information, refer to Publication 525, Taxable and Nontaxable Income.

A payer is required to issue you a Form W-2G (PDF) if you receive certain gambling winnings or if you have any gambling winnings subject to Federal income tax withholding. All gambling winnings must be reported on your Form 1040, including winnings that are not subject to withholding. In addition, you may be required to pay an estimated tax on your gambling winnings. For information on withholding on gambling winnings, refer to Publication 505, Tax Withholding and Estimated Tax.

You may deduct gambling losses only if you itemize deductions. However, the amount of losses you deduct may not be more than the amount of gambling income reported on your return. Claim your gambling losses on Form 1040, Schedule A, as a miscellaneous itemized deduction that is not subject to the 2% limit.

It is important to keep an accurate diary or similar record of your gambling winnings and losses. To deduct your losses, you must be able to provide receipts, tickets, statements or other records that show the amount of both your winnings and losses. Refer to Publication 529, Miscellaneous Deductions, for more information.> http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419....

Dec-01-12  scormus: <FSR ... fuly taxable> Thanks, I must remember the rule! Tax laws certainly vary from country to country - the only thing that doesn't change is they get you in the end, anyway :(

When I used the abbreviation <IRS> it was simply that it is known internationally, not because I was referring specifically to USA.

Jim Plaskett is British (and no doubt proud of it) In GB tax on casual gambing is imposed not on winnings, but on the bet itself. But in chess tournaments there might have been a loophole because the tournament organisers do not, as far as I know, pass on any fraction of the entry fee to the government. Or didn't then, anyway.

The other side of the coin .... if you lost at gambling in GB you couldn't claim anything back - a case of "what's source for the duck is source for the drake" or <to avoid possible confision> "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

But back to the main point, I guess I'm just agreeing with earlier comments comment about playing moves OTB to optimise your chances of getting a result. And Jim's tactical shot here is a fine example

:)

Dec-01-12
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  Fusilli: <scormus> <FSR> Interesting... I don't know if US chess organizers pay taxes on tournament entries, but I don't see why they shouldn't. They are selling a service like anything else.

At the World Open 2009 I got about $1,400 from ending third shared in my section. They sent me a 1099-MISC, which is a form used to report miscellaneous income. When they send you that form, that means they sent it to the IRS as well, which means the IRS is aware of that income. So, the system is smart enough. If you make certain amount of miscellaneous income (I think it is more than $500), the payer has no notify the IRS. And it makes it quite clear for you that you have to report it.

I remember at that time checking the exact same IRS pub that <FSR> quoted.

Dec-01-12  scormus: <Fusilli> Only 2 sure things .... Death and taxes :(
Dec-02-12
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  FSR: <Fusilli: <scormus> <FSR> Interesting... I don't know if US chess organizers pay taxes on tournament entries, but I don't see why they shouldn't. They are selling a service like anything else.>

Sure, their profit on the tournament (revenues minus expenses) would be taxable income - like anything else, as you say.

Dec-02-12
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  perfidious: <FSR> Barring any changes of which I am unaware, moreover one cannot state one's occupation as, eg, poker player in USA, without having derived the majority of his/her income from that source in at least three of the preceding five years. This is another means which Infernal Revenue uses to put the boot in on one-off successes and exact their pound of flesh.
Dec-05-12
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  FSR: <perfidious> I agree that that sort of thing is outrageous. Similarly, you have people who've lost of tens of thousands in slot machines, then they finally win a big jackpot and they have to pay income tax - even though this win is less than their aggregate losses. Ditto with chess, of course, and I'm sure also poker.
Dec-05-12
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  HeMateMe: gambling has to be your "main income" before you can itemize and deduct expenses. For most people, when they have to fill out an IRS form at the winner window at a casino, it goes on their tax return under "hobby income".

Of course, your losses before that point (and, I'm sure there are many, for those who live at the casinos)are deductable up to earned income. certainly you can offset losses against winnings, just make sure to have written records, in case you are autidted. If you are a proven, career gambler, and this is truly your line of work, I think you car carryforwards losses. Perhaps 3-5 year window.

Is there a carryforward provision for gambling losses? Not sure, maybe three years, if it exists.

Dec-07-12
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  FSR: <HeMateMe: gambling has to be your "main income" before you can itemize and deduct expenses. For most people, when they have to fill out an IRS form at the winner window at a casino, it goes on their tax return under "hobby income".

Of course, your losses before that point (and, I'm sure there are many, for those who live at the casinos)are deductable up to earned income. certainly you can offset losses against winnings>

It's not that simple. As I said before, IRS Topic 419 provides,

<Topic 419 - Gambling Income and Losses

The following rules apply to casual gamblers. Gambling winnings are fully taxable and must be reported on your tax return.

...

You may deduct gambling losses only if you itemize deductions. However, the amount of losses you deduct may not be more than the amount of gambling income reported on your return. Claim your gambling losses on Form 1040, Schedule A, as a miscellaneous itemized deduction that is not subject to the 2% limit.>

Suppose that you are a casual gambler, and that in 2012 you hit a big jackpot and won $10,000, and also lost $10,000 on other gambling outings that year. The casino will give you a 1099 for the $10,000 win, so you're forced to report it (you're <supposed> to report lesser wins too, of course, but in practice people rarely do so). It's counted as ordinary income. But you can take a miscellaneous itemized deduction for your $10,000 in losses, so no problem, right? Not necessarily.

1. If you don't itemize (and it's not in many people's economic interest to do so), you're S.O.L. You are taxed on the $10,000 gain and get no offset at all for the equal amount in losses.

2. As you say, you'd better be able to prove your losses - which will be very difficult or impossible for many. (On the rare occasions that I go to casinos, I keep track of how much I win or lose, but the casino doesn't give me anything certifying that amount. Even if one kept a diary of one's wins and losses (which I doubt is common), I doubt that the IRS would accept that as competent evidence.)

3. Depending on the amount of your other income and other deductions, your deduction may be limited. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itemiz....

Feb-20-13
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  perfidious: <FSR> Couple of points on your last post: Not all casinos will give the player a W-2G after a big win, though they are required to fill out that form and retain at least the copy for their records. That will vary from one casino to another.

In my experience, I know of cases where a professional player has kept track of wins/losses, been audited by IRS and had such bookkeeping accepted, but as you say, it had better be thorough to have any chance.

Mar-07-13
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  Parsifal2: I now believe that the queen sacrifice was sound!
The improvement lies in the key line of 20...Qe7 21 Nxc8 Qxg5 22 Bxe6 Qxe3+ 23 Kg2 Qxd2 24 Bxf7+ Kg7 25 Nd6 Qxa2 26 Bb4 Qxe2+ 27 Rf2 Nf4+ 28 gxf4 Qg4+ 29 Kf1 Qd1+ 30 Kg2 Rd8 in, not my inferior 31 Be6 (?) but 31 c5!. Now following 31...Rxd6 32 cxd6 Kxf7 33 Rd2 Qg4+ 34 Kf1 Qh3+ 35 Kg1 Qd7 36 Kf2 ... White´s assets of the d6 pawn and the swift anchoring of his bishop at e5, when it will be both supporting the d pawn´s advance and simultaneously training itself upon the potential advance of Black´s queenside pawns, should be sufficient. White would also have the option of activating his rook via d3-g3 - g7.

I am very pleased to have found this idea!
My queen sacrifice was sound!

Jun-01-16
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  Honza Cervenka: 20...Qe7!? with idea 21.Nxf7 Qxa3 or 21.Nxc8 Qxg5 deserved attention. 22...Qxd3 would have forced draw immediately: 23.Nh6+ Kh8 (23...Kg7?? 24.Rf7+ Kh8 25.Bb2+ ) 24.Bb2+ (also 24.Nf7+ Kg7 25.Bb2+ with optimal play leads to draw but here the lines are more complicated with chances to go wrong and lose the game on both sides) 24...Ng7 25.Nf7+ Kg8 26.Nh6+ Kh8 etc.
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