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Peter Leko vs Michael Adams
Mainz CC Fischer Random (2001) (unorthodox), Mainz GER, rd 5, Jun-28
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Jan-15-03  judokausa1: Yes when castling the king and rook end up on their proper squares, reguardless of their starting positions. (same rules apply to castling in random chess as in normal chess)
Jan-15-03  Kenneth Sterling: I am still not convinced. I do believe that rapid play and "quick" tiebreaks do more damage to chess than Fischerandom does. The former purport to be part of chess, while Fischerandom admits it is an alternative.
Jan-15-03  Sylvester: The first I ever heard of Leko was a story about him winning this match.
Jan-18-03  pawntificator: Who cares about "chess"!?! Rapid play and quick games screw ME up. If I could think forever about every move I would never lose! (the game would never end)
Jan-18-03  ughaibu: Try Georg Dunkel's Bushishogi, only one piece each, only two squares on the board. World's smallest chess variant: http://www.kolumbus.fi/geodun/bushi...
Mar-08-03  Rookpawn: Actually, Leko and Adams drew the other Fischer Random game in the match.
May-11-03  alonso666: Why did they trade pieces so quickly!?
Jun-26-03  Benjamin Lau: <Alonso666> Remember how trading pieces usually "clarifies" a situation? I suspect that Leko and Adams, though they are certainly good players, may be more confused and/or nervous of the position than they let on.
Sep-17-03  northernsoul: It seems the players of this game exchanged pieces quite quickly to get back into a familiar kind of set up and to mminimise complications.

But I like the idea of Fisherrandom - as someone who has struggled without great success to commit openings to memory, I like something that dispenses with opening theory.

Anyone know of any sites where you can play this style of chess against human opponents?

Sep-20-03  oblivion95: You can play FischeRandom at FICS (http://www.freechess.org) with the "fr" variant designation. I played there and everybody who tried it with me loved the excitement. It's very unpredictable, but the better player usually wins, as in the old days. I play it with my friends at lunch. Most chess knowledge transfers, but I no longer own NCO.

I believe this match was a rapid play exhibition between games of a larger tournament, so trading pieces would be natural.

Nov-20-03  waddayaplay: northernsoul: don't blame opening theory if you can't remember them. If you can't learn enough opening theory to see how a game transposes from opening to middle game to endgame, fischer random is probably of no use to you. Personally , I believe someone has to be at least 1900-2000 before it matters how the pieces are arranged.
Nov-20-03  northernsoul: wadddayaplay:
please don't patronise me or put words in my mouth - I don't 'blame' opening theory for my inability to learn reams of it. I recognise this as my failing but vita brevis, ars long and all that.

Of course I can see how an opening leads to a certain kind of midgame leads to a certain kind of ending. I may be a patzer but I'm not a moron.

You say 'fischer random is probably of no use to you'. I play for pleasure and because I love the game, so I think I'll be the judge of what I find useful, thanks very much.

As for your bold final assertion, I'd be interested if you could elaborate the reasoning behind it.

Nov-20-03  drukenknight: So Ugi plays Bushishogi? )(see 1/18 post) Hah! It's kinda fun to pull out at a bar. Sometimes the game can last 60 or 70 moves and sometimes it is over in 5 or 6.

What would be fun to play with several Bushishogi pieces set up across a larger board. And they could have different patterns on the blocks, some could be left handed others right handed etc. Then when the Bushishogi's meet on the board, they can fight it out in the game as normal. It would be like samuri guys fighting in a big battle.

Nov-21-03  ughaibu: Drukenknight: Interesting idea. I haven't heard from Georg Dunkel for nearly four years, I hope he's alright. Perhaps you should suggest your idea to him.
Nov-21-03  drukenknight: Well the first thing is, will the game just burnout if you know the strategy? The cube has only 6 faces so there are e.g. 126 combinations or something like that.

THere was a card game in the 19th cent. some version of bridge or piquet or something, that once this expert published a book on it, then everyone knew what to bid and what to lead, etc. So the game died.

Pt. 2. Have you tried making like right handed bushishogi guys? Ie. in the form as described on the website shows a cube with 2 left hand swords (the single sword version) and one right handed sword (another single sword version). What if you had 2 right and 1 left handed faces?

Or 2 right and 2 left? (and leave out the straight sword)

Nov-21-03  ughaibu: I'll have to re-read the page. If I remember correctly then each of the faces (of the cube) can be oriented in any of four directions, so I make that 576 combinations on top of which there are the different face orientations from which one can arrive at a combination, in short enough to provide a game unless the opponent has decided to take the thing deadly serious. I'll look at the page and get back to you in a day or two.
Nov-21-03  drukenknight: Yeah, there are a lot more permutations than 126, I was actually trying to type "216" but it didnt matter, there are a lot.

On the actual number, there are 6 faces on each cube, so 36 face combos. But then each combo has 16 and...okay yeah you got it....576.

I showed it to my buddy from middle school, I hadnt seen him in years so I pulled it out when we got to the bar. This was a guy I grew up with, we taught each other chess, competed, we studied the openings, then he got the 101 piece wire kit to program a primitive circuit, then he graduated to PCs and now he programs satellites.

He sez: "You know, if I showed this to the dept at USC. Someone would write down all the sub-routines and program it into a computer program."

Yeah, that'd be interesting.

That's why I suggest going with a whole army of these guys who each have their own particular arrangement of faces. The Bushishogis would be part of a regular chess army, they replace the Ns and Bs or something. And so they engage in combat right on the board.

Nov-24-03  waddayaplay: northernsoul: i'm sorry about patronizing like i did. basically i was in a way speaking to myself - when i first started playing more seriously i started off by trying to memorize openings , and it obviously didn't work, and after that i blamed opening theory for my failiure. But I do still believe that fischer random is probably the most interesting at GM level , or to very strong players. At my level, playing with random openings wouldn't make much sense. After the first 7-8 moves or so I've run out of straight-out-of-the-book opening moves.
Nov-24-03  PinkPanther: I only have one thing to say about Fischerrandom Chess. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Mar-24-05  Orbitkind: The amount these guys trade off, I think it's a shame that those two were in the first Fischerandom match at a high level. There is potential for so much play.
Mar-24-05  Orbitkind: <PinkPanther: I only have one thing to say about Fischerrandom Chess. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.> But it is broke. That's the whole point. Also Fischerandom is just as playable as chess. I love it.
Mar-30-05  pawn52: Why didn't White grab the knight?
Mar-24-06  Tariqov: <pawn52> grab the knight!??How??35Bxe8 does not work.Rxa6
Apr-13-06  technical draw: After 12..Na6, you have a standard game. Probably after that 12th move nobody can tell it was a FRC set up.
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: white was a B up!!
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