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Napoleon Bonaparte vs The Turk (Automaton)
"Napoleon Torn Apart" (game of the day Feb-09-2008)
Schoenbrunn (1809)
King Pawn Game: Napoleon Attack (C20)  ·  0-1
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May-25-02
Premium Chessgames Member
  Doctor Who: "The Turk" was billed as a chess automaton, and people would pay money to play or even watch the Turk in action. But in reality, a very petite chess master would crawl inside and make the machine move the pieces.
Jun-03-02  dippel: Have a look at:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/boo...
Jun-03-02  dippel: or:
http://www.geocities.com/siliconval...
Oct-14-02
Premium Chessgames Member
  PinkZebra: I wouldn't call Pillsbury petite. He was well over six feet tall. On move eleven the Turk should of played Nf3+ winning the queen or forcing mate after 12)gxf3 Qg5+. The Turk made the game more interesting by playing something else.
Oct-15-02
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  Honza Cervenka: Johann Allgaier was the chess master who was playing inside the Turk with Napoleon.
Feb-25-03  epos: These Napolean games simply never existed, friends.
Feb-25-03  Spitecheck: Yes and amazingly people still pay to see a similiar thing now. It's called Deep Junior, the other one of these things was called Ajeeb from memory. Gunsberg was one of the masters in the cupboard among others. If these games of Napoleon's never existed atleast the fraudster is consistent 2. Qf3 is played in another Bonaparte game on here.
Feb-25-03  Plasmatics: "Following his defeat, Napoleon had The Turk killed immediately."
Feb-26-03
Premium Chessgames Member
  Honza Cervenka: This game is not a fraud. The Turk was...:-)
Jun-02-03
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  Sneaky: From the randi.org site: <Maelzel held a special command demonstration of the Automaton for Napoleon in 1806 in Berlin -- a city which Napoleon was occupying for the moment. The general tried to upset the machine by performing illegal moves -- for which the protocol laws well-prepared, since the understanding was that the figure would nod three times if such a thing were to happen, and when Napoleon persisted in making the wrong moves again and again, the Automaton finally swept all the pieces to the floor, and the game was over. Later, when the general was behaving himself and obeying the rules, he lost his game -- and was reportedly not happy.>
Jun-03-03  Cerebrate2006: Wow, that is a nice story, also makes me at least pretty sure that this Napoleon game at the very least existed...
Jul-11-03  hickchess99: napoleon shoulda stuck to ruling the land. although that didn't turn out too well for him either.
Jul-11-03  KrillinKC: Napoleons other games were pretty good though..At least a lot better than this one. Unless they're fake...
Sep-27-03  jhendricks: according to tom standages book "the turk" there are several versions of the encounter, many of which contradict one another. this particular game first came out in Illuatrated London News, 1884 (75 years after the game supposedly took place). no source was credited for the game and The Turk misses the winning line, going for the enemy's queen instead. therefor it is doubtful that this game played by The Turk and Nepoleon.
Oct-18-03  karl von hess E5I50: well well well Napoleon wasnt a good player i bet if hitler was??
Nov-19-03  roy cox: cool
Jan-05-04  TheTurk: I resent being called a fraud just because a ate a tiny master or two!
Jan-05-04  Whitehat1963: The interesting thing in Sneaky's story above is that Napoleon proved the machine wasn't really a machine at all, because he provoked an "emotional" response from it. Why would a machine wipe the pieces off the board?
Jan-05-04  fatbaldguy: On move 14, the Turk takes the queen instead of (I think) forcing mate with 14 ... Nf4+ 15 K:f3 [or 15 g:f4 Qg4+ and mate next move] Qh5+ 16 g4 Qh3++. Perhaps the Turk figured that if Napoleon was allowed to last another 10 moves, he would not be too angry at losing - if so, he played the right move...
Jan-24-04  Marnoff Mirlony: The score is actually 24...Qe2++.
Jan-24-04  clendenon: No you're wrong.
Jan-25-04  Marnoff Mirlony: Right....
Jan-25-04  clendenon: wrong the score is 0-1. 24...Qe2++ is just a move. and stop killing me with those 1 word responses.
Jan-25-04  Catfriend: <clendenon> Be careful... You dare using jokes and humor while conversing with Marnoff...But at least they're funny:)
Jan-25-04  Marnoff Mirlony: "The score" referring to the scoresheet.
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