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Claus Toerber vs Gerhard Menke
cr (1950)
French Defense: Winawer Variation. Winckelmann-Riemer Gambit (C15)  ·  1-0


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Jun-30-06  PaulKeres: Let me try to work through this without moving the pieces...

13. Rg3+ Kh6 (forced)
14. Bc1+ Kh5 (forced)
15. Be2+ Kxh4 (forced)
16. Rg4#

so I reckon its forced mate in 4, now I'll check with a computer :-)

Jun-30-06  PaulKeres: Nope, 16. Rg4 isn't even check! there's 16...Kh5, but it's still easy from there.

The answer is...

12. Qxg7+ Kxg7 13. Rg3+ Kh6 14.
Bc1+ Kh5 15. Be2+ Kxh4 16. Bg5#,

I almost got it, just 16. Bg5#. Definitely would have got it if was playing out the moves on the board. Both Black and White obviously saw it though.

Jun-30-06  PaulKeres: Here's why I stumble on this thematic game...

[Event " online"]
[Site ""]
[Date "2006.06.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "PaulKeres"]
[Black "Terrenov"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1461"]
[BlackElo "1598"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]

C15 French: Winawer, ♘imzovich variation, ply 6
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. ♘c3 ♗b4

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 Nf6 6. e5 Nfd7 7. f4 c5 8. Bb5 a6 9. Bxd7+ Bxd7 10. Nf3 Bb5 11. Kf2 Nd7 12. Ng5 h6 13. Nh3 Qh4+ 14. Kg1 Rc8 15. a4 Bc6 16. Nf2 b5 17. a5 Ba8 18. g3 Qe7 19. Kg2 Rg8 20. Ba3 Qd8 21. Bxc5 Nxc5 22. dxc5 Rxc5 23. Qd4 Rc4 24. Qb6 Qxb6 25. axb6 d4+ 26. Kh3 Bxh1 27. Nxh1 Ra4 28. Rxa4 bxa4 29. Nf2 Kd7 30. cxd4 Rb8 31. c4 Rxb6 32. Nd3 a3 33. Nc1 Rb1 34. Na2 Rb2 35. Nc1 a2 0-1

Mar-12-13  morfishine: <PaulKeres> or <16.Rh3#>
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