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Jules Arnous de Riviere vs Serafino Dubois
Match (1855), Paris FRA, Sep-05
Scandinavian Defense: Modern Variation (B01)  ·  0-1
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Sep-20-05
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  azaris: Even after 16. Be3, White looks lost.
Sep-20-05  lopium: Yes, seems worst. After the Bishop's exchenge and after that the White Q take the black bishop, then Ng3+, to attack the f1 rook with the Queen/rook colomn.... die shorter than the move played, I think!! Once again. Maybe forever. for me at least.
Sep-20-05
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  azaris: White has to start with 16...Nh3+, otherwise 16...Bxe3? 17. Qxe3 Nh3+?? 18. Qxh3 and White pins and wins.
Sep-20-05  paul dorion: <azaris>
Do you have any variations?

16 Be3 Bxe3
17 Qxe3 Nh3+
18 Qxh3 wins (Black queen is pinned!)

I could not find anything good for black in other variations and so did Fritz 5. So 16 Be3 seemed to win for white.

Sep-20-05  paul dorion: <azaris>
What happens after

16...Nh3+
17 gxh3 Bxe3+
18 Kg2

Black is still a rook down

Sep-20-05
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  azaris: Say 18...Bf4 19. Qh5. Then 19...g5 20. Qg4 Qxg4+ 21. hxg4 Nd4 and what does White do?
Feb-13-06
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  ckr: It is unfortunate that Dubois was not in France in 1858, it would have been very interesting.
Aug-08-06
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  sneaky pete: 16.Be3 Nh3+ 17.gxh3 Bxe3+ 18.Kg2 Bf4 19.Nc3 .. doesn't look pleasant for black. He should have played 15... exd3 when after 16.Be3 Nh3+ 17.gxh3 Bxe3+ 18.Kg2 Qe4+ is decisive.
Nov-10-07  nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33.

De Riviere 5 mistakes:
9.Re1 -2.05 (9.Ne1 -0.39)
12.Rf1 -3.91 (12.Nc3 -2.50)
13.Nxh8 -6.53 (13.Nxd8 -3.91)
16.Nd2 -7.28 (16.Be3 2.28)
20.Ne4 #9 (20.Nf3 -7.29)

Dubois 1 mistake:
15...Bxd4 2.28 (15...exd3 -10.79)

Dec-19-07
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  Eggman: <<De Riviere 5 mistakes>>

I dunno, following up 3.Bb5+ and 4.Bxd7+ with 5.c4 and 6.dxc6 seems rather dubious to me. Look at the position after 6...Nxc6 - Black has a 3-tempi lead in development.

Dec-19-07  nimh: Blunder Check doesn't analyse book moves.
<Black has a 3-tempi lead in development.> Black is a pawn down.
Dec-19-07
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  Eggman: <<Black is a pawn down.>>

Not for long, not with White having a backward d-pawn and no development at all.

Jan-16-16
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  zanzibar: http://www.chessarch.com/excavation...

gives game ending at move 23.

May-04-16
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  schnarre: ...Not surprised Black won this.
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