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| Mar-22-04 | | capanegra: The shortest stalemate ever seen, folks; and with all pieces on board! |
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| Mar-22-04 | | iron maiden: This game must have been faked, since instead of 12...e3?? Black had about a dozen moves to win. Anyone have any evidence at all that it wasn't fabricated? |
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| Mar-22-04 | | capanegra: Of course it was fabricated! It is clear that both players agreed to share the point before the game started. But isn’t this a pretty way to draw after previous agreement? |
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| Mar-22-04 | | zsystriker: Obviously it's a fake... Giving some credence to Fischer's lunatic, wacko ranting that all moves in professional chess are pre-arranged...8) In fact, if you can contact the loon, send him this game, I'm sure it'll be his exhibit #1. |
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| Mar-22-04 | | iron maiden: If only all prearranged draws could be this beautiful... |
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| Mar-23-04 | | GoodKnight: I love this game. Does anyone know the shortest possible way to stalemate? |
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Mar-23-04
 | | Sneaky: The shortest known stalemate, invented by Em. Lasker I believe: 1. c4 h5 2. h4 a5 3. Qa4 Ra6 4. Qxa5 Rah6 5. Qxc7 f6 6. Qxd7+ Kf7 7. Qxb7 Qd3 8. Qxb8 Qh7 9. Qxc8 Kg6 10. Qe6 1/2-1/2 |
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| Mar-23-04 | | fatbaldguy: I confess it took me a while to get the point - 8 Ra3?? 10 f3??? But after 10 ... Bb3 I realized that this was a prearranged game rather than one where white (a 2500 player) might be drunk or something. I guess the two players, who had exactly the same rating, wanted to keep it that way. |
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| Mar-23-04 | | capanegra: Impressive, Sneaky! I didn’t know Lasker had composed such a beauty! In 1990, Tischbierek and Paehtz arrived to a position almost identical than the present, but with Black’s Queen and KBishop changed (it seems that 12 moves is the shortest possible stalemate with all pieces on board). Here’s the game: 1.d4 d6 2.Qd2 e5 3.h3 e4 4.Qf4 f5 5.Qh2 c5 6.a4 Be6 7.Ra3 Be7 8.Rg3 Qa5+ 9.Nd2 Bd3 10.c4 Bh4 11.f3 e3 12.d5 f4 (1/2-1/2) |
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| Mar-23-04 | | GoodKnight: <Sneaky>
Thanks for that. Certainly is a beauty! |
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| Mar-23-04 | | GoodKnight: If anyone is interested, you can see it here with PGN viewer: http://www.chess-poster.com/english... |
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| May-30-04 | | soberknight: I've read that the composer of these stalemates was not Lasker but the 19th century problemist Sam Loyd. See for example "The Personality of Chess" coauthored by I. A. Horowitz in the 1950s. |
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| May-30-04 | | soberknight: The other coauthor was P. L. Rothenburg. |
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| Jul-14-04 | | RickJames: these people have WAY to much time on there hands. if you know what I mean :) |
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| Jul-15-04 | | acirce: <The shortest known stalemate, invented by Em. Lasker I believe:
1. c4 h5 2. h4 a5 3. Qa4 Ra6 4. Qxa5 Rah6 5. Qxc7 f6 6. Qxd7+ Kf7 7. Qxb7 Qd3 8. Qxb8 Qh7 9. Qxc8 Kg6 10. Qe6 1/2-1/2> I think it was Loyd. That game was actually played in the Swedish Junior Championships in 1995 or so, so Hohmeister-Frank is not the shortest. I seem to remember though that the Swedish players were punished for that and both received 0 points for the game, any other Swede here who can confirm or deny? |
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| Sep-14-04 | | mikhs: I don't see the point here. I think it's a waste of time both to compose this game and for us to look at it. Why is included in this database? |
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| Sep-20-04 | | sneaky pete: The original game, as published (with DEEP notes!) by Loyd, was played in a dream between White "The Sacrifice" and Black "The Grandmaster" and runs a bit different: 1.d4 d6 2.Qd2 e5 3.a4 e4 4.Qf4 f5 5.h3 Be7 6.Qh2 Be6 7.Ra3 c5 8.Rg3 Qa5+ 9.Nd2 Bh4 10.f3 Bb3 11.d5 e3 12.c4 f4 and white, not noticing the stalemate and unable to find a move, lost on time. This raised the question, if one can lose by not making a move is there is no move to be made. |
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| Oct-05-04 | | morphy234: this game HAD to be staged. |
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| Oct-05-04 | | clocked: Another example: http://www.thechessdrum.net/palview... |
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| Apr-12-05 | | RookFile: As I understood it, Sam Loyd tells
it as an epic battle he witnessed
between two champions, that went
as follows:
White: Patzer
Black: Duffer
1. e3 a5
2. Qh5 Ra6
3. Qxa5 h5
4. Qxc7 Rah6
5. h4 f6
6. Qxd7+ Kf7
7. Qxb7 Qd3
8. Qxb8 Qh7
9. Qxc8 Kg6
10. Qe6
In this position, while pondering
his move, duffer's flag fell. Should
he be credited with a loss? |
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| Aug-11-05 | | Averageguy: If a player makes a move which makes the position Stalemate, but the opponent resigns before realising, is it a win or still a draw? |
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| Oct-23-05 | | soberknight: <Averageguy> I hate to spoil the humor, but you ask a serious question which deserves a serious answer. I am an avid reader of chesscafe.com, which is the best source of high-caliber chess journalism anywhere on the Internet. One of my favorite columns is Guert Gijssen's "Arbiter's notebook." Although I have played only eight games in an informal league competition, and I never participated in a weekend tournament (and probably never will), I like to study the legal nuances of how a judge solves disputes that arise. If a player resigns after stalemate has occurred on the board, the game is drawn, according to the following excerpt from Mr. Gijssen's May 2005 column (http://www.chesscafe.com/text/geurt...): "Question: Dear Mr. Gijssen, I would like to inform you about a situation that recently occurred during a rapid tournament in Brazil, as some of the international arbiters have differing opinions. It was Black’s move in the diagrammed position and Black resigned, but the arbiter overruled the resignation and decided the game was drawn because of stalemate. "Was this decision correct? Can the arbiter even take such a decision without a claim from one of the players? What would happen in a “normal” game? Does the position on the board (stalemate) have priority over a resignation? Thank you very much for your attention. Best regards. Estevão Tavares Neto (Brazil) "Answer: The following articles are essential to this situation: "5.1.b. The game is won by the player whose opponent declares he
resigns. This immediately ends the game.
"5.2.a. The game is drawn when the player to move has no legal move
and his king is not in check. The game is said to end in ‘stalemate’.
This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the
stalemate position was legal.
"In this case there is no difference between a “normal” game, a rapid game, or a blitz game. Usually a player resigns when he has the move and in the situation you describe the stalemate is already established, so the game is over. Therefore, according to Article 5.2.a the game is drawn. It is irrelevant that a player resigned after the game was legally finished." Mr. Gijssen implies correctly that if stalemate is inevitable but has not yet occurred on the board, such as after White's 44th move in J A Congdon vs E Delmar, 1880, a resignation would be valid. I do not know if this has ever occurred in practice. |
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| Oct-23-05 | | soberknight: <iron maiden: If only all prearranged draws could be this beautiful...> My favorite prearranged draw is the Recidivist Variation, which you can find on item 268 of Tim Krabbe's chess diary (http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/...), based on Adorjan vs Karpov, 1967. Although it is superficially beautiful to see Black sacrifice his bishop and queen to achieve a perpetual check, a "favorite prearranged draw" is like a "favorite cockroach." |
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| Oct-26-05 | | Averageguy: <soberknight>Thanks for that, and don't worry about "spoiling the humor" it was a serious question that might have come across as a joke. Thanks again. |
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| Oct-30-05 | | soberknight: Regarding my previous comment about Congdon v. Delmar, I've considered that the game might be drawn after all, and I emailed the question to Mr. Gijssen. We'll see if he responds in next month's column. |
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