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Heinrich Wagner vs Wilhelm Schoenmann
"Flight of the Valkyries" (game of the day Feb-13-2005)
Correspondence (1919)
Queen's Gambit Declined: Albin Countergambit. Alapin Variation (D08)  ·  1-0
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Feb-15-05
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  vonKrolock: <patzer2:Thanks for the information > Not for that :-) - We have to be grateful to Wagner for guarding and preserving whith him for decades some very important papers that came later to light, like the full set of original score-sheet's copies from the Chess Congress in Leipzig 1894, that otherwise could had been lost in the troubled Years that preceded its publication (After Wagner's death in 1959, the mentioned papers went to Max Blümich's guard, and later to an English Editor, and to the public in the early 80's)
Feb-15-05  aw1988: <Holy freakin' zombie flaming crap on a pogo stick!> I will never eat a hot dog again.
Feb-16-05  schnarre: <aw1988> Eh????
Feb-16-05  aw1988: A Pogo is a hot dog covered in batter (how do you spell that?) on a stick.
Feb-16-05  schnarre: <aw1988>Gotcha! (your spelling is correct, barring any changes in the dictionary)
Feb-16-05
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  vonKrolock: erratum: Blümich died in 1942 - see Max Bluemich - so, <the full set of original score-sheet's copies from the Chess Congress in Leipzig 1894> where actually in Heinrich Wagner possession during the 50's, and the English editor (K. Whyld ?!) received them from him
Feb-17-05  schnarre: <vonKrolock>Thanks for clearing that up.
Feb-18-05
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  vonKrolock: <schnarre> Gerne! I was quoting from memory.... And, by the way, a slight typo in an earlier post in this page: <Wagner Gambit 1.f4 f5> 2.e4 - At least also from my off-line data. But here http://chess.about.com/library/week... we see that today some authors call that <Swiss Gambit>, reserving <Wagner Gambit> to the line 1.f4 f5 2.e4 fe 3.Nc3; and there's also ANOTHER <Wagner Gambit>! - 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 c5 4.e4
Feb-20-05  schnarre: <vonKrolock> I recently tried 1. f4 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. Bc4 d5 4. Bb3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6. Black came out winning after another 23 moves. Has anyone tried the Wagner recently?
Feb-20-05
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  vonKrolock: <schnarre> Your 3.Bc4 seems to be a novelty - <tried the Wagner recently?> Really one of the rarest of all Chess Openings (less than one Game each three Years, grosso modo). Simply because the required 1.f4 f5 is already an oddity... Two classic examples that neither comes from A. Wagner himself, nor are found here in chessgames.com for the while:

A) Zaitsev, A. vs Bochosjan - URSS 1970

1. f4 f5
2. e4 fxe4
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. g4 e6
5. g5 Nd5
6. Nxe4 Nxf4
7. d4 Ng6
8. h4 d5
9. h5 Ne7
10. Nf2 c5
11. h6 Nbc6
12. dxc5 e5
13. c3 Bf5
14. b4 Qd7
15. b5 Na5
16. Qa4 Nc4
17. Nf3 Ng6
18. Bxc4 dxc4
19. Qxc4 Be6
20. Qe2 Bxc5
21. Ne4 Bf8
22. hxg7 1/2-1/2

B) Hromadka, K. vs Kania; Czechoslovakia (ch) 1933

1. f4 f5
2. e4 fxe4
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. g4 g6
5. d3 d5
6. g5 d4
7. Nxe4 Nxe4
8. dxe4 e6
9. h4 Bg7
10. h5 Nc6
11. Bd3 Ne7
12. h6 Bf8
13. Nf3 Nc6
14. a3 Qd6
15. Qe2 Bd7
16. b4 a5
17. b5 Ne7
18. Ne5 c5
19. Bd2 b6
20. O-O Nc8
21. f5 Qxe5
22. Bf4 Bd6
23. Bxe5 Bxe5
24. fxe6 Bxe6
25. Bc4 d3
26. Qxd3 Bxa1
27. Bxe6 Bd4+
28. Kg2 Ke7
29. Rf7+ Ke8
30. Qg3 1-0

Feb-20-05  schnarre: <vonKrolock> Thanks a lot!
Mar-16-06  Dodd: Is it just me, or does declining the queens gambit always lead to horror upon horror for black? Can anyone point me to a clever little game where black wins?
Mar-16-06
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  Jim Bartle: Black winning the Queen's Gambit? Just opened my Informant anniversary book (of the first 64 issues) and the very first game of 640 is Spassky-Petrosian 0-1 Game 7 of the championship match.
Mar-16-06  TaricHall: I don't think 23 ... Qa3 is Black's best move.
Mar-17-06  Dodd: Thanks Jim Bartle! I'll try to track it down now. :-)
Mar-17-06
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  Jim Bartle: Dodd: That was just one example. There are so many. Just look up Nigel Short, for example, playing black in Queens Gambit.
Mar-17-06  Dodd: Thanks - as you can see I need some pointers in my research. I'll let you know how it goes.
Jan-15-07  who: Is 18.Qb5 necessary. Could white have just played 18.Nxd4?
Apr-24-07  BadTemper: unfriggingbelievable game
Nov-08-08  thebribri8: <TaricHall: I don't think 23 ... Qa3 is Black's best move.> Would you like to try to find anything better?
Mar-18-09  WhiteRook48: is this an opera by Richard Wagner the musician?
Jun-18-09  WhiteRook48: 24 Rb8+!!
Aug-10-10  Grantchamp: brilliant game
Jan-02-12  crazyedmen: 18 Qb5 was not needed, he could have taken on d4 already at move 18. Interesting to understand why he waited one move, did he only see it later, afraid,...??
May-23-13  Tigranny: Wow I am impressed by this game.
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