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| Oct-06-05 | | acirce: <This draw without fight was a disappointment> This draw "without fight" went on for almost two and a half hours, what do you think the players were doing during that time? Sleeping? Staring at the roof? |
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| Oct-06-05 | | schnarre: <acirce> I agree!
Hardly "without fight"! I would have been interested in White's replies after 24...Qd3. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | SnoopDogg: If you want to see a real game "without" fight, check out Karpov vs Leko, 1995 |
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| Oct-06-05 | | schnarre: <SnoopDogg> No Kidding! |
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| Oct-06-05 | | csmath: I am not sure Topalov was going for draw here but after 20 moves it became obvious that he has nothing much more. In the position it was drawn this is as safe for black as it gets in QID. What exactly to try? I see nothing short of some suicidal plan provoking Leko to punish stupidity. Of course there is no way Leko would even consider anything trying himself. So, this is another safe draw for QID opening books. I stopped playing QID as black because I realized it is the opening where black cannot do anything if white chooses to play for a draw. Leko apparently knows to play it as black very well and draw does not bother him at all. It is no coincidence that this opening is played by the finest positional and defensive players like Karpov, Adams, and Leko. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | doremi: <SnoopDogg: If you want to see a real game "without" fight, check out Karpov vs Leko, 1995> ouch |
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| Oct-06-05 | | schnarre: I've not faced the QID very often, but when I have I was playing a Torre as White, & didn't have much difficulty. Still it is a viable defense for a careful player! |
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| Oct-06-05 | | csmath: I have no problem playing against QID as white since I play 90% of the time e4. :-)) |
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| Oct-07-05 | | alexandrovm: <csmath: I am not sure Topalov was going for draw here but after 20 moves it became obvious that he has nothing much more. In the position it was drawn this is as safe for black as it gets in QID. > I think Topalov decition was wise. Tomorrow is a free day, so he can have 2 days of rest before the next 4 matches.
Leko on the other hand should have played until the end here! He just lack ambition to be any type of champion, that's too sad. After all, who needed the points here, Topalov or Leko? I think Leko more than Topalov. And a draw in 21 moves? What's wrong Leko? Don't you wanna be a champion? Aparently no |
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| Oct-07-05 | | csmath: Apparently Topalov proposed a draw, and Leko accepted. I think Leko's decision is OK as well. He is not a guy to initiate any type of risky activities, and he knows that against Topalov in this form isn't a very good idea. After all, he achieved exactly what he wanted - a safe equality and now to disturb that? That would not be Leko. :-) |
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| Oct-07-05 | | csmath: Leko actually prepared a defence that was ready to challenge Topalov in this critical variation: 16. d5?! ... exd5
17. Nxf6 ... Bxf6
18. Bxf6 ... Qxf6
19. cxd5 ... Rd7
20. Nf4 ... Nc7
and white has nothing really except a d-pawn liability. Topalov avoided this, Leko was probably ready for it. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | alexandrovm: <After all, he achieved exactly what he wanted - a safe equality and now to disturb that? That would not be Leko.> you are right. He is not a figther (like Topa for example) Remember in some of the games he was in some way in a worse position (Leko-Topa) acording to GM experts, and what happend? Topa keept on fighting, keep on going, and won the game in fine way. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | Granite: Topalov has been working extremely hard in the tourney so far I'm sure he came into the game with the idea that a relatively short draw might be a good plan. Leko has a reputation for draws, is a stronger player in the group, and as black would likely take a draw so I feel overall it was a good strategic draw in a long tourney. Gives him some time to rest up, study a bit, and get back too it and hopefully we'll see some more top quality chess |
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| Oct-07-05 | | HammerTime: i did analyze this game. it s a draw after all. any questions? even i would draw playing white or black. trust me. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | Tsetso: DepthlessBlue, Nesebar talking about Leko's psychological tricks before the game. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | KarpowBG: Nesebar just said "Leko is idiot".He is talking bad words! |
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| Oct-07-05 | | Ulhumbrus: Black occupies the d file and may gain a superior ending even if White manages to exchange the heavy pieces.
This was not a dull draw, but the action appears in the notes, to borrow the words of Irving Chernev (one of the best chess authors in the English language for non English speakers) |
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| Oct-07-05 | | Marvol: In this situation, with the form Topalov has displayed, I think Leko did the sensible thing: aim for a draw. It seems everybody here wants every player that plays Topalov now to try and win, even with black. I reckon if they really would, Topa could wait for them to make the mistakes and punish them heavily - though it would be fun to see Topalov score 13 out of 14, it would also be rather stupid.
They've all seen Judit go down after that g4? of hers, they all know they shouldn't push too hard - even if that means that Topalov will stroll to an easy WC. And Topa chose 1.d4 after all... |
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| Oct-07-05 | | AdrianP: Is it just me or are the opening variation descriptions getting more specific - e.g. "Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Check Variation Intermezzo Line"? |
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| Oct-07-05 | | alexandrovm: <HammerTime: i did analyze this game. it s a draw after all. any questions? even i would draw playing white or black. trust me.> according to Fritz 8 the match Topa-Rustam was a dead draw. But Topalov still played the game...and won.He actually won games that where drawish or where he was slightly worse, and he won.
Leko should have played until the end, he needed this points (if he ever wanted to be a champion). Topalov, on the other hand, did very well. To take 2 days of rest before the final part of the tourney, very smart move.
Leko, at the end, might regret this draw... |
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| Oct-07-05 | | aw1988: <AdrianP> It isn't just you. |
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Oct-07-05
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Oct-07-05
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| Oct-07-05 | | Ulhumbrus: One correction to my note on page ten. I said that Karpov had commented on ...Na6 in his notes to his game against Hubner at Bad Lauterberg 1977, published in English in the Batsford collection of his games as world champion, 1975-1978. Actually the game was played not at Bad Lauterberg 1977 but at Tilburg 1977. |
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| Oct-11-05 | | schnarre: <Ulhumbrus> Thanks! |
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