|Jan-23-08|| ||karnak64: No one's kibbitzed here yet?
So: did Ljubojevic bust Topalov's 12. Nxf7 overnight?
|Jan-23-08|| ||Doktorn: I wonder if Timman and Ljubojevic decided before the game they would try 12.Nxf7 out themselves.|
|Jan-23-08|| ||karnak64: <Doktorn>: Yeah, I was wondering that, too -- did they see the Topalov Kramnik game and then say, "hey, let's give it a go"? |
I like the thought of the old warhorses maybe showing the youngsters how it's done (if, in fact, that's what they did) -- being on my way out to pasture myself ...
|Jan-23-08|| ||Prometheus128: Analysis from the press conference of this game:
Very funny that they played the line from Kramnik-Topalov.
|Jan-24-08|| ||Honza Cervenka: 27...Rh8 is strange decision. Much more simple and decisive seems to be 27...Nxb1 28.Nxg8+ Kd8 29.Qxg7 Nc3 30.Nf6 Qb7 covering all white's threats and threatening with mate on g2. If 31.f3 (31.Bf3 b1=Q is immediate finish), then 31...b1=Q 32.Nxd7!? Qf5! (diagram) 33.Bg4 Qxd7 34.Qxd7+ Kxd7 35.Bxf5 exf5 leaves black with extra piece and wins easily.|
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|Jan-24-08|| ||Ezzy: Ljubojevec is a fantastic commentator. His chessvibes conference is a must watch. His enthusiasm is addictive, and is commentary is very entertaining. He should make some chess DVD's.|
|Jan-24-08|| ||jussu: Sanity restored.|
|Jan-24-08|| ||karnak64: <Prometheus128>: Thanks for posting the link to these commentaries. What a wonderful performance from Ljubojevic!|
|Jan-24-08|| ||falso contacto: great idea to create this honorary group there in corus. this game show why.|
|Jan-24-08|| ||morphynoman2: Why not 18. Qg6, as in the Topalov home-made preparation? I wonder the Nf7 sac is not a speculative idea, but the fruit of a very solid analysis.|
|Jan-24-08|| ||12.Nxf7: Timman was not nearly as well prepared as Topalov. He made many inaccurate moves, starting with 19. Re1, or perhaps even with 18. a4 (which could have waited). Interestingly, up to move 18, Fritz evaluates the position as slighly better for white (.3), even though white is down a full piece. Perhaps the best defense is 14...Kg8. So, I would not say that the Cheparinov gambit is refuted just yet.|
|Jan-24-08|| ||Eyal: <morphynoman2: Why not 18. Qg6, as in the Topalov home-made preparation?> After 17...Rhg8 (instead of 17...Qxd4, as played by Kramnik), Black can meet 18.Qg6 with 18...Nc7 which - at least for the moment - defends everything. It might still be the best move for White, but we don't actually know what was prepared in such a case by Topalov/Cheparinov.|
|Jan-25-08|| ||brankat: This what I posted a couple of hours after Topalov-Kramnik game in response to a kibitzer's comment:|
" <Herby Rawley> <..no hint of 12. Nf7!! will that now become the standard move are things hopeless after 11....Bg7?? This is easily as good as Kasparov's 16 Sicilian against Karpov. The Opening Explorer was a real boon in finding this out.. If 11....Bg7 deserves ??. And now every one knows it chess is one move closer to being solved Topalov deserves..>
Although Topalov played a very exciting game, and certainly surprised Kramnik, Your enthusiasm may be somewhat premature, and the "conclusion" too far reaching.
1. In due time analysis will show whether <12. Nxf7> is really correct/sound. Remember N.Short's remark about Opening novelties: "They are like condoms. You use them only once". So, it remains to be seen. For now, my feeling is, Kramnink got caught by surprise. But now the move is known, and the search for a refutation has already begun.
2. If the move stands, then the variation will be avoided by Black, until the answer is found, which, eventually, is almost always the case.
3. Either way, the whole thing certainly has nothing to do with "solving Chess"." ______________________________________________________-
In a way it's probably not surprising that a master of a Ljubojevic's type would offer a response to Topalov's (Chepa's) novelty. The kind of a position that emerged after <12. Nxf7> has always been Ljubo's forte. Glad to see he has not lost his magic touch :-)
|Jan-25-08|| ||Red October: 12.Nxf7 Member since Jan-20-08 · Last seen Jan-25-08 ....|
|Jan-25-08|| ||TheBB: <Ezzy: Ljubojevec is a fantastic commentator. His chessvibes conference is a must watch. His enthusiasm is addictive, and is commentary is very entertaining. He should make some chess DVD's.>|
Wow, yeah. I never imagined, but Ljubo is great on stage. :D
|Feb-03-08|| ||percyblakeney: As soon as the game leaves the line played in Topalov-Kramnik, Timman goes wrong. I let Shredder go through every move for a couple of minutes, and for example 20. d5 doesn’t appear on the top 20 list of candidate moves, while 19. Rfe1 is 17th. 18. a4 is 9th, but, like the following moves, very far behind in the evaluations.|
Ljubojevic, on the other hand, plays well in this stage of the game. Shredder sees all his moves from 17-20 as top three alternatives, a couple of them clear firsts. After the 20th he is close to four pawns up, and already by then black is winning unless he blunders.
Timman was around an hour up after 17. … Rhg8, but doesn’t seem to have been prepared for what would follow. Since Ljubo played the move Topalov (and the engines) called the best, it shouldn’t have had to be such a surprise for Timman that he faced it in the game, but maybe he was thinking less about points than about having a bit of fun.