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Maxime Vachier-Lagrave vs Magnus Carlsen
Norway Chess (2018), Stavanger NOR, rd 9, Jun-08
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jun-07-18  morfishine: Thats just great, drawn in 17 moves, thanks a lot guys
Jun-07-18  BOSTER: Nobody likes when his piece has limited mobility like rook a2. Black wants to play d5 to give more freedom for bishop e7.
Jun-07-18  Ulhumbrus: < Andrew Chapman: I just tried out ulhumbrus's idea on stockfish (sorry) and saw a problem. pawn takes, rook takes, h3 and then if knight retreats to f6 the rook gets trapped. Andrew> This could be the reason why Carlsen does not play the advance. It suggests that Black has to either withdraw the knight to h6 or else prepare the advance further
Jun-07-18  JimNorCal: I can understand MVL wanting to put this tournament behind him. But what is MC's motivation? He was still in the hunt for first place.
Jun-07-18  morfishine: <JimNorCal: I can understand MVL wanting to put this tournament behind him. But what is MC's motivation? He was still in the hunt for first place> Thats what I don't understand, and in his own country...disgraceful
Jun-07-18  JimNorCal: Marmot makes this observation on another thread, makes some sense! "Carlsen makes the practical decision, to be well rested for the playoff."

I hadn't considered that.

Jun-07-18  morfishine: <JimNorCal> I read that post by <Marmot> but he basically retracted it in a later post once he realized a playoff would be tomorrow, not today, so fatigue would be a non-factor.

Somethings fishy about this draw. Carlsen needs a win, its the last round, he's playing the weakest player and he shakes hands after 17 moves. Maybe the big gambling syndicate "informed him" that he could not win in the last round (wink-wink).

Hiding prep would be a better excuse

*****

Jun-07-18  lzromeu: No way game!!!
loky game
Don't do that folks. Odin is watching you!
Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: Lots of repititions this tournament ^^
Jun-07-18  JimNorCal: <morf>: something's fishy about this game

Yes!
Maybe there'll be an explanation in the post game conference. Otherwise ...

Jun-07-18  john barleycorn: <WorstPlayerEver: Lots of repititions this tournament ^^>

Was not it Carlsen who said he could draw almost at will (against a certain opponent)? The same Carlsen who "accused" other players on prearranging draws? The same "I do not do that"-Carlsen who drew Mamedyarov and Vachier-Lagrave in this tournament? (In 15 minutes or less?)

What is Carlsen talking about?

Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: <john barleycorn>

He probably feared the 'norwegian fever' again.

Jun-07-18  john barleycorn: <WorstPlayerEver> is the 'norwegian fever' something what makes guys throw stones when in the glass house?
Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: <john barleycorn>

Whatever it is, it keeps Carlsen away from winning in Norway ;)

Jun-07-18  john barleycorn: <WorstPlayerEver: <john barleycorn>

Whatever it is, it keeps Carlsen away from winning in Norway ;)>

That is called "hospitality" by <tuttifruity> et al..

Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: <john barleycorn>

Since Carlsen is a national hero in Norway, he's expected to win. Somehow he has trouble to deal with that national pressure, I'd say.

Jun-07-18  john barleycorn: <WorstPlayerEver: <john barleycorn>

Since Carlsen is a national hero in Norway, he's expected to win. Somehow he has trouble to deal with that national pressure, I'd say.>

Anand may have had the same problem in 2013.

Jun-07-18
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  Dionysius1: Eventually Carlsen will have to say something about why he allowed the short draw. Maybe in his blog? But somewhere and quite soon before people start seriously asking about impropriety or nerve failure - and I bet he wouldn't like to hear either of those suggestions!
Jun-08-18
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  Dionysius1: I suppose it's just possible Magnus Carlsen wasn't paying enough attention to the rules of the tournament when he allowed the draw.The last time he did that and suffered as a result that I remember was Norway Chess 2015 Round 1 when he was unaware of the time controls and lost on time in a winning position against Topalov.
Jun-08-18
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  Sally Simpson: Pre-game preparation:

Carlsen said:

I was very unsure of what to do. Basically I just decided in the car on the way here to play my normal stuff and see what happens. And as you could see, nothing happened.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/car...

Jun-08-18  Marmot PFL: <Marmot makes this observation on another thread, makes some sense! "Carlsen makes the practical decision, to be well rested for the playoff.">

Said that thinking (incorrectly) that playoff would be right after the round. Actually they would have been played the next day it seems.

White could easily vary with Re1 say instead of Bg5 or black with h6 if either player wanted the game to continue.

Jun-08-18  Pulo y Gata: <Wesley So: Thank you all for your encouragement and support. I am moving into a new area of my chess development working to win the game instead of taking a draw which I can do easily. With that attitude there will be bad days but that is life. Some players think exchanging a piece and then taking a prearranged draw on move 17 is okay but I don't want to be like them.>

Don't worry kid, even if you want to, you won't be like Carlsen

Jun-15-18
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  Penguincw: Carlsen and Caruana both played a tournament where in the final round game, they had equal or better positions, a draw would've clinched first, but they played on and won the game+tournament. Seems like they'd be perfect matchup, never settling for anything under 100%. And indeed, they will square off at the next WCC.

Well Carlsen could've went for the win here, but decided to save his energy for the playoffs, and can't blame him. But Caruana won his game, teaching Carlsen a lesson.

Jun-15-18  WorstPlayerEver: Anyway, the reason for draws like these is quite simple; some days chess is torture and even can get the best players depressive.

Because it takes such an enormous mental effort at this level, one gets more prone to mental issues, I assume.

This also explains why they make curious quotes/comments sometimes or have bad temper, I suppose.

Jun-20-18  Justin796: The look on their faces after the game said it all...why bother was what their shrug indicated...is it that catastrophic to take a different line?
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