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|Jul-12-15|| ||RookFile: You're so right. Connors knocked Borg off of #1 twice. Borg demonstrated he couldn't stand that by coming back and regaining the #1 title, and winning numerous slams after that.|
After all, the slams don't lie.
|Jul-12-15|| ||HeMateMe: rankings are not all that important. Most tennis fans believe that except, apparently, <you>.|
Cumulative grand slams are very important. When the tide had turned, Borg retired. The tide turned at Wimbledon, for Bjorn Borg.
|Jul-12-15|| ||RookFile: Hey, they slams don't lie. Connors routinely smashed Borg at the US Open. Borg was so devastated by that that he won 6 French Open titles and 5 Wimbledons.|
Moral of the story: when Jimmy Connors beats you, it's ok, but if McEnroe wins instead, it's devastating.
|Jul-12-15|| ||HeMateMe: yes, losing wimbley WAS devastating to Borg. He owned that tournament. He destroyed Connors at Wimbledon. His hard court matches with jimbo at the US Open or against other US Open stars were at least competitive, but Connors had zero chance at Wimbledon against Borg.|
when Wimbly was taken away, by McEnroe, that's when Bjorn went away.
|Jul-12-15|| ||RookFile: Connors also beat Borg on clay at the US open. I'm sure Borg didn't give a damn about clay at all, which is why he competed in the French open.|
|Jul-12-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Connors only beat Borg once on hard court at the US Open, in 1978. Connors played incredible, hitting lines for three sets.|
|Jul-12-15|| ||RookFile: Borg could have become just a clay court specialist, after 1981. Right? Skip Wimbledon and everything else, and just keep rolling up the French Open wins. Does anybody beat him there? Sure, maybe after he turns 40 or something. He didn't do it. And why? The answer is that he was done with tennis.|
|Jul-12-15|| ||HeMateMe: He was done being number one, and that was the last straw.|
|Jul-12-15|| ||Jim Bartle: I wonder if the evolving rackets--larger, with more advanced materials--had anything to do with it. He liked his old powerless Donnay racket, taking advantage of the extreme control it gave him. But newer rackets were powerful and had control as well.|
Anyway, here's what McEnroe thought:
"Here's what I speculate: Borg was on the verge of being overwhelmed. He was also the first guy who could afford to quit. He'd started so young; at 25 he had already traveled the circuit extensively for ten years. His life had become so regimented, and the superstitions so ingrained, that for the five years he won Wimbledon, he'd stay at the same hotel, practice at the same time and place--all day. Every day, he'd eat the same meals, get a massage, at the same time.
" So when he saw what Vitas was doing, which was the other extreme--the staying up all night, the partying, the women--when Bjorn experienced it on a small scale at the exhibitions, just enough to give him a taste of what he had been missing...well, that was that."
McEnroe also wrote that Borg's retirement was equivalent to the entire Lakers team retiring in 1985 at the height of their rivalry with the Celts.
|Jul-12-15|| ||valiant: <He liked his old powerless Donnay racket, taking advantage of the extreme control it gave him.>|
BB used an American racquet brand called Bancroft while playing US Open
He won his first French Open with a Slazenger
|Jul-12-15|| ||Jim Bartle: I did not know that. But they were all fairly stiff wood rackets with extremely tight strings.|
I loved Slazenger rackets. I would still be using one, with relatively loose strings, if everyone played with wood.
|Jul-13-15|| ||MarkFinan: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...|
I liked Sampras when he was playing, I don't mind Djokovic but I still prefer Federer. I think Carlsen is the Sampras of chess.. A bit boring at times but mostly machine like efficiency. Both are privileged children who are prone to paddy fits, but they're still great. Nearly all tennis players come from privileged upbringings, it's an upper class sport. I like the sport but give me some working class football any day, anyone can make it in football. Look at Rooney, Gerrard and Shearer.
|Jul-13-15|| ||HeMateMe: Mark, are you still willing to watch tennis at Wimbledon? A couple of years ago the All England club put a retractable roof over their best stadium, to at least keep the rain out of the important finals and semi-finals.|
It only took them 90 years to realize that having the final ruined by rain might be a turn off to tennis fans, especially the rich, spoiled Americans who had been doming up their own stadiums for the past 40 years. I only mention it because it IS a momentous change and I assumed you hated such things, especially if it was [probably] done to enhance television ratings [for Europe and the USA] because people tend to disconnect when the final has to be carried over to the next day, and it is then not heavily watched, which results in a give back of monies to advertisers who paid for commercial time during tennis--the audience shrinks when the final takes two days to play, mens or womens.
I know it's terrifying to you that world media (dominated by the USA) might have influenced England to make a change regarding one of their sporting institutions, but buck up son, you'll get over it. Keep getting lots of fiber in your diet, and only order the good stuff, at the bar.
|Jul-14-15|| ||MarkFinan: I couldn't care less if they put a roof on it with a huge picture of your favourite cover girl. And 90 yrs ago (how old is the US Open btw?) no one had invented retractable roofs, lol. Putting a roof over a pitch/court is hardly a change in the rules of the game, numptie. |
<<I know it's terrifying to you that world media (dominated by the USA) might have influenced England>>
Stick to football, haha 😅
|Jul-14-15|| ||HeMateMe: celebs at Wimbledon 2015. Photo no. 3 is Bjorn Borg. His wife looks like an aging hippie.|
|Jul-14-15|| ||keypusher: <HeMateMe: celebs at Wimbledon 2015. Photo no. 3 is Bjorn Borg. His wife looks like an aging hippie.>|
You have to love all those men wearing coats and ties to watch a sporting event. At least I do.
|Jul-14-15|| ||HeMateMe: Not when it's 80 degrees, I don't. I'm glad BB landed on his feet. He had declared bankruptcy some years back. I'm sure he has a standing invitation to Wimbledon each year, and tickets can always be found for him, boris becker and the like.|
I'm not sure if that invitation is always extended to John McEnroe, though he once said "Most of my fan mail comes from England."
He got a HUGE standing ovation the year he and Steffi Graf walked out on court to play mixed doubles at Wimbledon. They couldn't play the whole tournament, as she got injured.
|Jul-14-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Becker is a coach, so that's an automatic prime ticket. Borg and other retired tennis greats usually get to sit in the Royal Box.|
<He got a HUGE standing ovation the year he and Steffi Graf walked out on court to play mixed doubles at Wimbledon. They couldn't play the whole tournament, as she got injured.>
Not true. She was still in the singles and just wanted to drop out of the mixed. McEnroe was mucho pissed, as she had promised to keep playing even if she was still in the singles.
|Jul-14-15|| ||HeMateMe: That's right, she kept playing singles in the event. But, she blamed dropping out of mixed dubs on an injury, at the time. Probably bogus, but she did publicly claim an injury.|
|Jul-14-15|| ||Jim Bartle: McEnroe says they were scheduled to play Bjorkman and Kournikova in the semis that night. I can imagine the interest in that match, especially if Mac had hit Kournikova with a shot.|
He also writes they played Venus Williams (then about 19 and as arrogant as could be) and Gimelstob in the first round. Venus stood well inside the baseline and McEnroe just hit serve after serve right by her, or right at her. He razzed her on the changeovers, telling her to stand even closer.
|Jul-14-15|| ||HeMateMe: She was standing close, thinking that the semi-retired Mac couldn't push a serve hard enough to get past her? well, the arrogance of youth. I remember Venus and her beads, and the embarrassing father of theirs at all of their matches as teens and in their early 20s. Good theater.|
Maybe that encounter you mention is what led to some talk of Mac playing a best of three sets match with Venus? I believe there was some speculation about that, as Venus Williams was serving the ball as hard as some of the men on the tour. Mac was probably 36 then, and would have killed her in a match, even if she got the same terms that Navratilova had against Connors: The man gets only one serve and the woman has the doubles lines of her opponent, an extended area of play in which to hit the ball, making it easier. I've seen McEnroe playing Legends tennis, in his mid 40s against guys who were 35, and looking very good against them.
|Jul-16-15|| ||MarkFinan: http://www.foxsports.com/olympics/s...|
I can't call this MAN Caitlyn so I'll just say Bruce Jenner won the Arthur Ashe award! I can't believe it.
|Jul-16-15|| ||strifeknot: I'm sure she's still more man than you are.|
|Jul-16-15|| ||MarkFinan: Do I know you? I think not. Nobody's ever said I aren't a real man, I have proof. Lol.|
|Jul-16-15|| ||HeMateMe: I don't think they should be allowed to use the ladies room, unless they get their plumbing changed, so to speak. Bruce still has his shwiggy (I think). That makes him a guy.|
Ask any parent if they want a 65 year old man in the women's restroom alone with their ten year old daughter, and I think you know what the answer would be. People can go a little too far overboard being P.C.
I worked at a company that had an employee who was going from male to female. He/she was in the stretch run, and started wearing dresses to work. But, they wouldn't let her use the ladies room until she got fixed "down there." She did, and was then free to use the ladies facilities.
Very interesting story in this vein about René Richards (nee Richard Raskind), the tranny tennis pro, who was a good friend of Martina Navratilova's, in the 80s. I can't remember if he went the whole nine yards or not. That was quite a shocking news story back then, a guy taking estrogen and playing tennis on the women's pro tour. He played for a couple of years, and had average results. ESPN did a 30/30 about her/him, pretty good episode.
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