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|Sep-08-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I would bet against either becoming a really dominant player. Cilic had a great tournament, but maybe he was just "on" with serve and ground strokes right now. I see him more as a Berdych/ Tsonga type. Nishikori, I'm not sure. Maybe he'll take the current "Murray" spot.|
|Sep-08-14|| ||HeMateMe: right, that was my "bridge" theme. Sort of like a Patrick Rafter winning a non-French grand slam. Every ten years or so, as the best players age and don't make the finals, a surprise player makes a final or wins a slam, sort of like Zina Garrison being in a Wimbledon final, because Evert and Navratilova were getting older and Graf wasn't established yet.|
|Sep-08-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Not too many women outside thebtop five or six have made finals, unless Arantxa Sanchez was low-ranked when she won the French in 1989.|
Zina Garrison reached the finals of Wimbledon in 1990, but Graf was already a dominant force. Garrison beat Graf and Seles in the previous rounds. But Graf was already a dominant force, having already won 9 majors.
|Sep-08-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Sanchez Vicario was the 7th seed when she won in 1989, so she wasn't one of the big favorites.|
If you want to look at a "bridge" champion, how about Hingis? She came up just as Graf was fading, and just before the Williams sisters, Davenport, Clijsters and the other Big Babes arrived. She won most everything for a couple of years, then the more powerful players overtook her.
|Sep-08-14|| ||HeMateMe: I guess that makes sense. I was thinking more on the lines of when someone who is not going to be a great champion appears briefly within reigns, steals a grand slam final appearance, then quickly disappears. Pat Cash, perhaps?|
|Sep-08-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Among the women, Conchita Martinez and Iva Majoli stand out. And pre-Nadal there's a long string of players who won their only Slam at the French.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Whatever happened to that Brazilian fellow, the one who, between points would toss his racket 30 feet in the air and catch it? Just for a moment it seemed he was reaching the semis in GS events, then immediately disappeared.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Gustavo Kuerten? Retired with chronic hip injuries.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Kuerten was great, very exciting. Lucky he came along earlier, though, would have zero chance with Nadal or Djokovic.|
Last player to beat Federer before the quarters of a major for nine years. Beat him in 3rd round at French in 2004.
|Sep-09-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Re-posted that.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Agassi hitting
|Sep-09-14|| ||MarkFinan: Sampras is the goat. Federer second. ✌|
|Sep-16-14|| ||shivasuri4: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/th... One on Nadal and Federer.|
|Oct-11-14|| ||lolchair: Federer just won from Djokovic in the Shanghai Masters semi final. Chance for him to not lose another final tomorrow (against Gilles Simon).|
|Oct-17-14|| ||shivasuri4: Nikolay Davydenko retires.
|Oct-17-14|| ||shivasuri4: Davydenko is one of the few people to hold a winning record against Nadal (6-5 in the end).|
|Oct-26-14|| ||achieve: Serena at her very worst completely losing it as far as sportsmanlike behaviour is concerned; final WTA tour in Singapore.|
What a beast would be an understatement.
She is much worse; she seems like a predatory vamp.
No way to conduct a respectable tennis match.
Best would be if she retired immediately, instead of continuing to humiliate fellow competitors in such revolting ways.
Halep is being bullied off court, because tennis-wise SW can't hold a candle to the Romanian tennis expert.
|Oct-26-14|| ||achieve: Referring mainly to what happened in the 4th game of the first set.|
After that it was just picking up pieces for her royal badness.
Halep simply unable to cope with a fight that has been turned personal.
|Nov-23-14|| ||achieve: Will Federer clinch his first ever DAVIS CUP against Tsonga?|
It's the only trophy missing from the legend's cabinet...
Or will his back still be slightly problematic and as a consequence will the enormous pressure shift to Wawrinka in the final rubber?
Will the french get nervous?
Questions, questions.... which will be answered this afternoon in France.
|Nov-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <It's the only trophy missing from the legend's cabinet...>|
He's never won the Olympics singles, either, but maybe that's not so important in tennis.
|Nov-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Federer will now play Gasquet instad of Tsonga.|
|Nov-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Federer brushes Gasquet aside in straights.|
|Nov-23-14|| ||you vs yourself: An olympic singles gold doesn't count anymore than a doubles gold. It's still 1 gold medal for switzerland. So, I find the distinction strange. |
With 4 years between olympic games, I don't think olympics should count for much for pros. Tennis awards 750 points for a gold medal which is less than what you win for a masters 1000 tournament. And this is how it should be because players absolute prime don't last for 4 years. So, a gap of that nature between competition and using that as any meaningful indicator is unfair. If Olympics was held in 2006, Federer would've won. If it was 2011, Djokovic would've won. So, too much randomness for Olympics to be a proper metric of greatness.
|Nov-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: That makes sense.|
|Nov-23-14|| ||achieve: <you vs> I think that approach is a tad too dry, as eg Steffi Graf after she won the Olympic title was crowned as a queen with the term: Golden Slam|
So it does have a special ring to it, winning the singles at the Olympics, but other than that you make indeed some very sensible points.
On another note, Fed played very well, majestic at times, very alert, focussed, no nerves; but Gasquet was well below par. A pity Tsonga did not play.
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