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|Sep-10-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Nadal is certainly good at the net, has great touch, but I think McEnroe forgot about Edberg.|
|Sep-10-13|| ||achieve: And Rafter, and Cash, and Becker, and ...
Nadal though anticipates well, and puts away most of the "put-aways" and some of the more difficult ones, with consumate ease, walks through the ball and as close to the net as possible. Possibly best on tour now behind "real volleyers" like Llodra and Stepanek. There is a huge difference still, with those. But Nadal is closing in...
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: <Low-cost Nadal refuses State's private jet offer>|
-- The number two tennis player in the world has turned down an offer to fly on a private jet to the Davis Cup in Madrid, arguing "I don't think it's the right time to make the State pay for my trip".
-- Nadal’s coach and uncle, Toni, has also been at the centre of a debate over money squandering after he criticized sports salaries on Spanish radio station Onda Cero.
"I don’t like that so much was paid for Bale," he told Onda Cero.
"Not because of him personally, <I also think that what Rafa gets paid is ridiculous>, what Barça's coach Tata Martino gets, or Xavi.
"It's ludicrous to think that a football coach who manages twenty people is paid more than the Prime Minister. We live in a crazy world!"
Toni Nadal backed his nephew’s decision not to fly private and avoid the unnecessary expense for Spain’s tennis federation and the government, especially after the expense of Madrid’s third failed Olympic bid.
|Sep-11-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I heard a similar story about Nadal a couple of years ago, not accepting a chartered plane flight, but don't remember the details.|
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: Yeah, Nadal doesn't like to be made feel awkward, very principled guy -- it would make me feel awkward and guilty perhaps to walk around with truckloads of money in your pocket and on your bank account enough to buy a number of these planes, and let a bankrupt indebted state pay for one lousy trip with a private jet.|
Wouldn't sit well with the proud spanish people trying fight off debt and international finance loansharks, in the form of a Goldman Sachs.
Not sure if Nadal knows the fine details there, but clearly he not only possesses a huge warrior heart. Very sensitive, empathic and humble young man. Long may it continue.
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: Comparison of Eras - Nadal statement vs "A Tennis fan" responding to it.|
-- THE CHAMPIONSHIPS - DAY 5 DIARY
by ATP Staff | 24.06.2011
What The Newspapers Are Saying
<Current Generation More Enjoyable
Rafael Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport. "Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable," the 10-time major champion told The Evening Standard. "It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve." >
<I started watching tennis in the 80s, 90s was for me the golden period (you cannot pick a match between Ivanisevic and Sampras, and only in Wimbledon, as a representative of the whole decade which had such an amazing variety of contrasting styles and surfaces), and I find today's tennis the most boring an uninspiring era in the history of the sport. With the shining exception of Roger Federer (who, ironically, for me has the most beautiful game ever), all the top players are more or less the same. It's as if they were all produced in the same factory. Compared to the 90s and earlier eras, they really lack uniqueness. They all have the same homogenized technique, the same uninspired playing style, the same boring double-handed backhand, they all play from the baseline, they all run like crazy to win the points. <<< Sure, there's much more athleticism now. But I've always liked tennis for the beauty of the game, for the briliant minds behind the clever winning shots, for the beauty and elegance of the technique, not for the thoughtless, brainless neverending running battles which dominate today's tennis.>>> The surface changes mentioned in the article are the primary reason. There is no difference between clay, grass and hard court anymore. It was evident in this year's Australian Open, which uses the new superslow carpet - it was just impossible to play a winner. No matter how hard you hit the ball, no matter the angle, depth, rotation and everything, the ball just always got stuck in the air, frozen in time, always giving the opponent time to return it back. To me, this is not tennis anymore. It has gone too far.>
As a tennisfan also starting to watch tennis closely and religiously since the late 70s/early 80s, right through to the present time, I mostly agree with the above comment, and even though the tone is too harsh here and there, and too negative in my personal opinion, the essential observations are spot on.
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: I fear that not only the younger generation, but quite a few of the older ones as well, have forgotten just how versatile play, playing styles, and personalities were, in the 90s decade, with a large quantity of contenders and style-wise a great diversity was at display, creasting a unique and delicious blend, comparable to dining out at a Gourmet Restaurant, or MacDonalds.|
"Some of the famous names who won Grand Slam titles in the 1990s. How about Ivan Lendl, Pat Cash, Boris Becker, Stefan Edberg, Jim Courier, Andre Agassi, Mats Wilander, Pete Sampras, Pat Rafter, Gustavo Kuerten, Sergei Brugera, Michael Chang, Richard Krajicek, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Carlos Moya?
"The first thing that comes to mind is the very diverse styles of all of these players. You have pure serve and volleyers in Pat Cash, Stefan Edberg, Pat Rafter and Richard Krajicek. Then you have aggressive baseliners in Ivan Lendl, Jim Courier, Andre Agassi.
There are claycourt specialists such as Kuerten, Moya and Brugera, although both Kuerten and Moya were very good on hard courts. Mats Wilander and Michael Chang were very good counter punchers. Sampras and Becker were very good all court players.
"That is quite a big difference to today, where most players play the same way and there is not much variety at the top of men's tennis."
|Sep-11-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I loved watching Agassi vs. Rafter, especially at Wimbledon. Their styles were completely opposite and they were very evenly matched, and it made for great matches.|
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: Then there is a list of mouthwatering technicians who were a feast to the eyes when they were on song, so to speak, but failed to win a Grand Slam - yet artists in their own right, and players for whom you stayed home to watch play, or bought tickets to go and see.
Off the top of my head, almost all mostly active in the 90s:|
Marcelo Rios, Henri Leconte, Guy Forget, Ramesh Krishnan, Mikael Pernfors, Petr Korda, [Miloslac Mecir], Brad Gilbert, Aaron Krickstein, Kevin Curren, Wayne Ferreira, Andres Gomez, Andrei Medvedev, Fabrice Santoro, and Mark Philippousis, a real power broker, plagued by injuries much of his career.
Coming through in the late 90s already were Haas, Kiefer, Henman, and on and on, Federer on their heels.
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: I too loved Rafter, more of a workman-like Serve-volleyer, and his attitude was exemplary. Reading up on him wiki mentions several incidents, one with Pistol Pete, and imo really showing somewhat of a nasty side of Sampras:|
<1998 was a particularly strong year for Rafter, who won the Canadian Open and Cincinnati in a row (only Andre Agassi, in 1995, Andy Roddick, in 2003, and Rafael Nadal, in 2013 also have won both these tournaments in the same year). Rafter defeated ninth ranked Richard Krajicek in the Toronto final and second ranked Pete Sampras in the Cincinnati final. When asked about the difference between himself and Rafter following titles, stated "10 grand slams", and that a player has to come back and win a Grand Slam again in order to be considered great.
Following his title at Cincinnati, Rafter won a US Open warm-up tournament in Long Island, New York. Entering the US Open as the defending champion, he reached the final again, defeating Sampras in a five-set semifinal. <<Rafter pointedly took issue with Sampras' refusal to show him respect in defeat: "That is what really upsets me about him", Rafter said, "and the reason why I try to piss him off as much as I can.">>>
Geez - that's honest; good afternoon to you too...
|Sep-11-13|| ||GerMalaz: Andrés Gómez won Roland Garros in 1990.|
|Sep-11-13|| ||achieve: Yes - Gomez belongs in the top list. I remember Gomez admitting that this was a unique last opportunity for him to accomplish his dream - winning the French Open - since Lendl was not in the draw... Lendl was his Angst-gegner.|
Gomez beat Agassi, who was the slight favorite, to fulfill his lifelong dream.
I was very happy that the slightly chubby artist from Ecuador, with the golden left arm, won that.
|Sep-13-13|| ||brankat: Since the forum has not been activated, and You do visit this page fairly often:|
|Sep-14-13|| ||achieve: Thanks, Branko - I just now, about 8am amsterdam time, sent you an email to your old yahoo address -- I hope it is still valid. If not please let me know.|
|Sep-17-13|| ||shivasuri4: http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Te...|
|Sep-17-13|| ||lolchair: It's not often that someone gets caught in the ATP tour..or in the WTA for that matter. Is the sport this clean?|
|Sep-26-13|| ||HeMateMe: Man claims that Martina Hingis and her Mom "double teamed" him, beat him up.|
Dammit, I miss Martina H. She was always good gossip stuff. I miss the other Martina, too. Just great tennis, and not all the other crap.
|Nov-01-13|| ||KKDEREK: Great win against Potro today..Huge game tomorrow agaidnt Djoko. But hey, Ferrer number 3 at rankings? c'mon.|
|Nov-02-13|| ||shivasuri4: http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Te... London draw.|
|Nov-09-13|| ||Marmot PFL: <Roger Federer fought back Saturday to reach the semifinals in the ATP World Tour Finals. On the back of a poor season, the 17-time Grand Slam winner overcame a 3-0 deficit in the third set to beat Juan Martin del Potro 4-6, 7-6 (2), 7-5 to reach the semifinals for the 11th time. The Swiss earned a chance to prove that - despite his aging legs, aching back and recent lack of consistency - he can still beat rival Rafael Nadal, his semifinal opponent. ''I just have to have the right mindset to give it one last go, maybe play with a little less pressure than I have in previous matches with him,'' Federer said.> GL but Nadal has over a 2-1 edge in matches won.|
|Nov-12-13|| ||shivasuri4: Guess Djokovic deserved that win thoroughly. He's been on a great streak since the US Open.|
|Nov-12-13|| ||achieve: Djokovic is the best in the world at this point, even on a slow indoor court.|
|Nov-12-13|| ||achieve: Outdoors on the super slow courts it seems Nadal is for the moment nigh unbeatable. |
Federer is just picking up the crumbs.
Murray in A+ form is needed back on the tour.
What's his H2H with Nadal?
|Dec-02-13|| ||shivasuri4: <achieve>, it's been quite a while, but Murray is 5 - 13 (excluding one walkover) against Nadal. That improves to 5 - 8 excluding the first 5 matches.|
|Dec-03-13|| ||achieve: Aha- thank you <shiva> - so it seems that Nadal has more than just an edge over all his contemporaries, and just that small part of the indoor season some of his "shortcomings" - mainly technically - are being showed up and punished by in-form Nole's and Delpo's -- let's hope Murray can join that mix and unsettle Nadal as well on those courts... The Aussie Open in a month will become quite revealing.|
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