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|Jan-28-14|| ||shivasuri4: <And you are lying: Nadal served at an average of 168 kmh against Dimitrov, right up there with the speeds he reached injured> Where did I deny that? I thought the blister explained that.|
<You quote me lumping comments on first and third set as if together> If you are referring to my second post today, I didn't quote you there, as you'd do well to notice. I merely illustrated the difference the injury made in reducing the first serve speeds.
<Blister or not, Nadal serves under 180 normally.> I quoted the average speeds in 5 matches this tournament, 3 of which were above 180 kmph. So 2/5 under 180 kmph makes it normal, does it?
|Jan-28-14|| ||shivasuri4: <You also seem to be ignorant (no foul) of the fact that of all the people I spoke too the last few days, including simple observers, not one has yet defended or explained Nadal's behaviour. Only questionmarks.> Obviously I am ignorant of that. How on earth can I possibly keep a track of what all the people you have spoken to say about Nadal's behaviour?|
|Jan-28-14|| ||shivasuri4: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te... 6 minutes outside the Rod Laver Arena is what this article says, but it could be wrong.|
|Jan-29-14|| ||achieve: NaDAL's history on toilet breaks and MTOs I was not fully aware of - but clearly after a bief investigation including YT footage this fraud needs to be exposed. He is a darling in the post match press conferences, but during matches where he has lost control he almost continually is reverting to unsportsmanlike conduct MTOs, emotional outbursts towards a spanish speaking ref, and the list goes on, unlike any other player at the top of the game.|
Prior to this discussion I was not that much of a Nadal-disliker, but thanks to the reseach upon <shivaŽ>s inappropriate accusations and characterizations of mine, here we are:
I thoroughly hate and dislike Nadal's behaviour on a number of occasions, and will not at any time in the future will be rooting for him, no matter what. He is constantly overstepping the 20 secs rule, and he is also seeking coaching from Uncle Toni, especially when the opponent has the clear momentum, match after match, which is not only against the rules, but also shows the lack of respect he translates to his opponenents.
In other words; I am completely done with Rafael Nadal, especially following and examing the visual evidence.
links,if needed, will be provided.
|Jan-29-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I won't contest the other charges, since I don't know, but what "lack of respect he translates to his opponents"?|
Nadal plays very hard, but I've never seen him disrespect an opponent. Correct me if I'm wrong.
|Jan-29-14|| ||shivasuri4: <And you are lying: Nadal served at an average of 168 kmh against Dimitrov, right up there with the speeds he reached injured> Could you please explain this, <achieve>? Where exactly did I state that Nadal didn't serve at an average speed of 168 kmph in the match against Dimitrov?|
|Jan-29-14|| ||achieve: <JB> Then look closer, the evidence is right there on youtube: vs Delpo, Petzschner, Rosol, Ferrero and Federer. |
In one of those he is screaming "the knees, the knees!", hiytting his knees even at the change-over
And continuously overstepping the time limit and let your opponent wait before he serves is just not respectful. Nadal does anything to disrupt the opponent's momentum, many times in relatively small ways, which in fact Federer addressed in his post match PC, kinda lamely and ill timed, admittedly.
|Jan-29-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Nadal is slow between points, I realize, though it doesn't bother me. Otherwise I think he's a good sportsman.|
I think Federer complained about grunting during the match. I think it' OK if it's not used to deceive (big grunt on a dropshot), and doesn't interfere with the sound of the ball hitting the racket. This second one is extremely hard to determine.
|Jan-29-14|| ||kellmano: I'm as big a Fed fan as you'll find but I remember when Nadal beat him in Australia a couple of years ago and then Federer cried, the first thing Nadal said in the post-game interview was 'First of all, I want to say I'm really sorry to Roger that he had to lose' and he looked like he meant it. Since then, I still support Rog but don't mind if nadal wins either.|
|Jan-29-14|| ||KKDEREK: <Achieve: NaDAL's history on toilet breaks and MTOs I was not fully aware of - but clearly after a bief investigation including YT footage this fraud needs to be exposed. He is a darling in the post match press conferences, but during matches where he has lost control he almost continually is reverting to unsportsmanlike conduct MTOs, emotional outbursts towards a spanish speaking ref, and the list goes on, unlike any other player at the top of the game.>|
Indeed. I SAW live the game against Rosol, was disgusting..Rosol just out-muscled him and crush him as he , out of frustration bumped on him on purpose.. He's no saint <at all>.
Thats why I root for Djoko or Potro, after Federer..
|Jan-29-14|| ||achieve: <shiva> Since I brought up the vs Dimitrov stats first, I stand corrected, and technically you are right, you didn't state that, I did. Apologies for the formulation.|
|Jan-29-14|| ||Jim Bartle: We're spoiled!
Think back to the eras of Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Hewitt (and the other Hewitt), Rios, Agassi 1.0, Nastase, Tiriac, etc. (I think Tiriac was the worst ever.) they're all saints today in comparison.
|Jan-29-14|| ||achieve: <KKDEREK> On point, and against Rosol he (RN) complained to the ref that Rosol moved too much as he was hitting his serve, a practice that is very normal, loosening up the legs before the split step to go in either direction.|
OCD just doesn't really translate well to highest level competitive sports, though Nadal hides it quite well when things go his way; if they do not, he kinda panicks. Not all the time, but on numerous occasions.
|Jan-29-14|| ||achieve: <Jim Bartle: We're spoiled!> Fact is we are, that's why nowadays many keep a closer watch. But it is of a different nature sometimes, and it is all about timing. |
|Jan-29-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Of course most of the bad behavior in the past had to do with bad lines, which has effectivelt disappeared.|
|Jan-29-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Of course most of the bad behavior in the past had to do with bad line calls, which have effectively disappeared.|
|Feb-01-14|| ||achieve: In the first set, the game in which Nadal was broken to go 3-1 down, the first short point where he played the dropshot that Wawrinka killed crosscourt; it took Nadal <37> seconds before he delivered his next serve.|
That game, only during one point, did Nadal serve within 30 seconds, the other were all between 30 and 40
While only TWENTY = 20 seconds are allowed as per the rules.
Literally barely 15 minutes into the match.... Why does he get away with time violations of this excessive nature, THAT early in the match??!!
The <only> warning he got was early in the 2nd set.
At 4-1 down first set, he took 29 and 37 secs, just random points I timed.
The rule is that you must serve within 20 seconds after the previous point finishes, under normal circumstances, or else get a warning for Time violation. In Nadal's case the Officials look the other way, most of them at least, and Mr Nadal can have it his way, force his tempo upon the opponent, gaining an unfair advantage, against the rules, no action really taken by the umpire.
|Feb-01-14|| ||strifeknot: The time rule is rarely enforced against any player. It isn't only Nadal receiving leniency.|
|Feb-28-14|| ||KKDEREK: What an amazing game by Fed today. Djoko got busted big time.|
|Feb-28-14|| ||Jim Bartle: There's an excellent 10-minute summary of the match on youtube already. Check "federer djokovic 2014."|
|Feb-28-14|| ||Xenon Oxide: I think every win that Federer gains in his declining years against the "Big Three" will contribute to increasing his legacy, especially since Nadal is fast gaining on him in terms of Grand Slam count and already has an overwhelming h2h edge.|
|Mar-01-14|| ||KKDEREK: Congratz Fed express..Great comeback|
|Mar-10-14|| ||HeMateMe: Double Noah:
|Mar-10-14|| ||KKDEREK: Nadal in BIG trouble against Dolgopolov.
|Mar-10-14|| ||KKDEREK: Na-DOWN.
Spectacular game, especially from Dolgopolov..
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