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morfishine
Member since Feb-01-09 · Last seen Jul-21-18
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   Jul-21-18 moronovich chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <moronovich> I see you are positioned handsomely at the bookie game! Its been a bit hard (at least for me) to make picks the last three rounds, so I've been a bit conservative only wagering 500 chess bucks per round, but two thirds of that is gone...oh well, I guess just ...
 
   Jul-21-18 morfishine chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <Sally Simpson> This is why I have <AylerKupp> on ignore. Back on the Curacao candidates page: Curacao Candidates (1962) <AK> had mentioned during the discussion that he wanted supporting numbers and analysis from a particular member. Well, a couple of years ...
 
   Jul-21-18 Golden Executive chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: Round 1 Vachier-Lagrave - Svidler 1-0 Carlsen - Navara 1/2 Mamedyarov - Georgiadis 0-1
 
   Jul-21-18 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <FSR> Giri beating Kramnik with the Black pieces is one of those screwball events that messes up the whole Kit-and-Kaboodle
 
   Jul-21-18 Ju Wenjun vs Tan Zhongyi, 2017 (replies)
 
morfishine: Pathetic game by White. Who doesn't move their Queen Knight AND Queen Rook?
 
   Jul-21-18 Curacao Candidates (1962) (replies)
 
morfishine: <perfidious> Well said
 
   Jul-21-18 Mephisto vs NN, 1770
 
morfishine: But we all know that nobody, especially 'NN' had a chance against Pillsbury
 
   Jul-21-18 Big Pawn chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <Big Pawn> I finally finished the video, this sure was an enjoyable documentary. The maps, graphics and were sound effects were superb. These were so well balanced that the net effect made the war easy to follow and understand. This format is wonderful and I think should be
 
   Jul-21-18 thegoodanarchist chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Thats hilarious! Thanks!
 
   Jul-20-18 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
morfishine: <Richard Taylor> Thank you dear friend for trying to keep <Porta-Jon Barleycorn> in-line, for he needs all the help he can get as he is much challenged Your heart shines through in this effort The little boy <Barleycorn> is one of those lost, wandering souls ...
 
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Jul-18-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <morfishine: Of course, you needn't respond if..>

Indeed it was, sorry :)

<My dad was a B-52 bomber pilot in the US Air force. He had lots of interesting stories to tell.>

I'm sure he had. Wow, he flew the BUFF (Big Ugly Fat Fu..er> :=

That's a heavy bomber, <morf>!

Jul-18-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <morfishine:

the 2026 World Cup games will be played in the US, with maybe 8 in Mexico & 8 in Canada.>

AFAIK it is 10 and 10 for Mexico and Canada.

Jul-18-18
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  morfishine: Fischer numbers: (1) Fischer showed no dominance between age 6-11 or vice versa: other kids the same age beat him handily, which is hardly prodigal (2) Many players reached 2200 much faster than Fischer but were never labeled "prodigy" (3) Fischer was "only" rated 1700 at 11 years old (though was a GM 4 years later) *Noteworthy: Fischer's rating 5/20/1956 = 1726 5/5/1957 = 2231 7/1957 = 2298 8/1957 US Open champ 1958 US Champ 2626 In other words, Fischer's rating skyrocketed 900 pts in two years, which is breathtaking to say the least
Jul-19-18
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  morfishine: <Count Wedgemore> I don't think my dad would agree that a B-52 was fat or ugly, but it was definitely a Big F____r! lol

He had loads of stories but only opened up towards the end of his life, which coincided with some programs he was involved in the 1960 - 1970's being declassified. For example, he flew 'Chrome Dome' nuclear deterrent missions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera...

He told me the most difficult time during his 29 year career was during the Cuban missile crisis in October 1962. He flew 24 hour missions for two straight weeks. With in-air refueling, it was 10 hours to the patrol zone, 4 hours flying the zone, then 10 hours back. Crews then got 48 hours off/rest before the next 24 hour mission. After two weeks of this routine, everybody was exhausted (Imagine flying five 24-hour missions in a two week period).

I too worked in a classified environment while serving in the US Navy in Japan. Nothing's been declassified as far as I know except some imagery programs that are now public information having expired some 20 years ago. All I can say, it sure was interesting!

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Jul-19-18
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  Count Wedgemore: Wow, that is extremely interesting information, <morfishine>. Your father played a part in some really historically significant events, that is something you as a son can be very proud of, I'm sure. And my goodness, 24 hour missions for two straight weeks, that's a gruelling schedule! But the continuous airborne patrol and the naval blockade worked: Khrushchev was forced to negotiate and the crisis was averted, not least thanks to brave men like your father. You know, things came awfully close to a confrontation back then, even nuclear war.

And the Chrome Dome missions! Thanks for the link, great article, but unfortunately it was a bit short. Anyway, Wikipedia has grown to become a great source of information. And I think the articles are usually well-written and have generally become better over the years, and more trustworthy, I think.

So according to the wiki article, the Thule crash in 1968 ended the program, I knew about that crash up in Greenland, it led to a big political scandal in Denmark in the 1990s, when it was revealed that nuclear weapons had been stored in Greenland after a secret US-Danish deal (Greenland is only Danish because they stole it from us Norwegians, oh well..). But it was the Cold War..and now it seems that US liberals and neocons are in an unholy alliance to get us into another cold war between USA and Russia. Apparently, their leaders are not even allowed to speak to each other anymore..

Jul-20-18
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  thegoodanarchist: < morfishine: When I was driving thru New Mexico, I once missed a Hard-Left at Albuquerque and ended up in Abilene, Tx>

So I am thinking that the "Hard-Left" turn that you missed would have taken you to California! :)

Jul-20-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <morfishine:

For example, he flew 'Chrome Dome' nuclear deterrent missions:>

I got a hearty laugh from reading this! Did some bald Major General come up with that name?

Jul-20-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <tga: I got a hearty laugh from reading this! Did some bald Major General come up with that name?>

That is funny, because reading the article about 'Chrome Dome' that <morfishine> posted, the operation was planned and led by this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoma...

And he does look a bit bald. doesn't he?

Anyway, some of the other code names are not much better, like Operation Hard Head, or the (slightly chess-related) Operation Round Robin.

Jul-20-18
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  morfishine: <Count Wedgemore> & <thegoodanarchist> Here's another article on those nuclear deterrent missions. My Dad was in the middle of all this:

http://www.airforcemag.com/Magazine...

*Note: <thegoodanarchist> I thought it was funny that you were pegged "hard left" which was the basis for my silly joke about Albuquerque

One has to wonder what standards people use to label somebody else?

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Jul-20-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <Count Wedgemore:

Anyway, some of the other code names are not much better, like Operation Hard Head, or the (slightly chess-related) Operation Round Robin.>

There was no Operation Swiss System?!?

Jul-20-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <I thought it was funny that you were pegged "hard left" which was the basis for my silly joke about Albuquerque

One has to wonder what standards people use to label somebody else?>

I'm guessing it was based on my hatred of George W Bush.

Jul-21-18
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  diceman: <thegoodanarchist: <I thought it was funny that you were pegged "hard left" which was the basis for my silly joke about Albuquerque

One has to wonder what standards people use to label somebody else?>

I'm guessing it was based on my hatred of George W Bush.>

He still doesn't get it!

Jul-21-18
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  morfishine: <diceman> Get what?
Jul-21-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <diceman:

<<<thegoodanarchist: <I thought it was funny that you were pegged "hard left" which was the basis for my silly joke about Albuquerque

One has to wonder what standards people use to label somebody else?>

I'm guessing it was based on my hatred of George W Bush.>>>

He still doesn't get it!>

Oh really?

How soon he forgets his own posts!

<diceman: I've always thought the agenda of the Democrat party was hate. So much hate the folks wouldn't even bother to look at the "credentials" of a Hillary Clinton type.

You somewhat confirmed this on the
Rogoff page when you said:

<<<The reason I voted for Obama in 2012 is, quite frankly, because he pissed off all the George W Bush supporters.

Quite honestly, it was a revenge vote! >>>>

thegoodanarchist chessforum (kibitz #899)

Jul-21-18
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  morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Looks like its <diceman> who doesn't get it

If one can't argue politics, then don't

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Jul-21-18
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  diceman: <thegoodanarchist:

Oh really?

How soon he forgets his own posts!

<diceman: I've always thought the agenda of the Democrat party was hate. So much hate the folks wouldn't even bother to look at the "credentials" of a Hillary Clinton type.

You somewhat confirmed this on the
Rogoff page when you said:

<<<The reason I voted for Obama in 2012 is, quite frankly, because he pissed off all the George W Bush supporters.

Quite honestly, it was a revenge vote! >>>>>

What an "odd" response?

tga seems to want to prove his vote
is driven by hate, his hate is directed
towards Bush, that means (here's where tga goes wrong) I care???????

Using that "logic" I should hate Trump.
Not only did he run against a "Bush"
he defeated him.
(although we could have looooooved George and hated Jeb, I don't know what the voices tell tga)

Jul-21-18
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  diceman: <morfishine:

If one can't argue politics, then don't>

We cant "argue politics" as tga takes
no responsibility for his.

tga rewrote the world, jumped to 2000,
and hated Bush. I called him "hard left" and that was that.

<morfishine: <diceman> Get what?>

tga should be focused of George Santayana, instead of George Bush 18 years ago.

Jul-21-18
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  morfishine: <Sally Simpson> This is why I have <AylerKupp> on ignore. Back on the Curacao candidates page: Curacao Candidates (1962)

<AK> had mentioned during the discussion that he wanted supporting numbers and analysis from a particular member. Well, a couple of years ago, I was making the argument that Fischer was not a prodigy. And I provided a series of numbers and data to support this argument: Fischer numbers: (1) Fischer showed no dominance between age 6-11 or vice versa: other kids the same age beat him handily, which is hardly prodigal (2) Many players reached 2200 much faster than Fischer but were never labeled "prodigy" (3) Fischer was "only" rated 1700 at 11 years old (though was a GM 4 years later) *Noteworthy: Fischer's rating 5/20/1956 = 1726 5/5/1957 = 2231 7/1957 = 2298 8/1957 US Open champ 1958 US Champ 2626 In other words, Fischer's rating skyrocketed 900 pts in two years, which is breathtaking to say the least

I figured <AK> would have fun picking through these numbers since thats what he enjoys and has been employed in, numbers and stats. I would have no problem if he proved me wrong despite my numbers. My main point was that Fischer did not stand out in his early years from 6-11. In fact, he was consistently beaten by players his own age. Many chess players and future GM's reached certain rating thresholds much quicker than Fischer but were never labeled a 'prodigy'. These were my arguments

(I noted that Fischer staged a monstrous rating increase of 900 points between age 13 - 15. Is this enough to satisfy "prodigy" criteria, or is this more of an example of a late blooming prodigy?)

But instead of addressing the ratings, rates and numbers I provided, which I expected, <AK> assumed a condescending stance asking if I knew the definition of prodigy, which I didn't expect. Thats when I put him on ignore.

I have no time for condescending blow hards

Benko was telling the truth and its pointless to try to generate false conspiratorial theories merely for the purpose of creating discussion

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Jul-21-18
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  thegoodanarchist: < diceman:

What an "odd" response?

tga seems to want to prove his vote
is driven by hate, his hate is directed
towards Bush, that means (here's where tga goes wrong) I care???????>

Not at all. You seem to have lost the thread of the conversation! You are completely confused about my position, even though I've written very plainly.

<diceman:

We cant "argue politics" as tga takes
no responsibility for his. >

Bullsheet. You are venturing into <Bartle> lie land.

Jul-21-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <morfishine: I was making the argument that Fischer was not a prodigy. >

I consider Fischer a prodigy based on the fact that he was the youngest ever to achieve the GM title in the history of chess, and remained so until the era of personal computing rendered chess study and training much easier.

Jul-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <tga: I consider Fischer a prodigy based on the fact that he was the youngest ever to achieve the GM title in the history of chess, and remained so until the era of personal computing rendered chess study and training much easier.>

No, I'm sorry, <tga>, but I have to disagree with this also. In my assessment, <morfishine> is absolutely correct. In 1956 Fischer suddenly became immensely stronger than he had been earlier. As late as in the may '56 USCF rating list, his rating was a meagre 1726. At the time Fischer was already 13 yrs old. His trajectory when it comes to playing strength is not, in any shape or form, the trajectory of a typical chess prodigy. Fischer was definitely never a prodigy, absolutely not.

Jul-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: I would like to add that the very definition of 'prodigy' is someone who shows remarkable skill at a very young age. Fischer definitely did not do that. As I see it, of the chess greats, guys like Capablanca and Carlsen were prodigies, while Alekhine and Fischer were not. All four ended up being among the greatest chessplayers who have ever lived, of course.

And then there are prodigies who never quite live up to their early promise. Take Ukraine's Illya Nyzhnyk, for instance. He was the very definition of a chess prodigy. But now he's 20, I think, and barely above 2600. Somewhere along the way, he stagnated, and rather dramatically, I might add.

Jul-21-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <Count Wedgemore: I would like to add that the very definition of 'prodigy' is someone who shows remarkable skill at a very young age>

And becoming youngest GM in history without PC access meets the criteria!

Thank you for vindicating my position ;)

< His trajectory when it comes to playing strength is not, in any shape or form, the trajectory of a typical chess prodigy.>

Being a prodigy itself is atypical! So this does not convince me.

Jul-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <tga: Being a prodigy itself is atypical! So this does not convince me.>

But if that is your argument, you are essentially saying that you are free to define the term 'prodigy' as you please. Well, you are, of course, but in that case any further debate on this issue is pointless, because you can simply move the goalposts as you go.

I do not think that makes your position a strong one.

Jul-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: By the way, when Fischer became the youngest ever grandmaster at the time, he was already 15 1/2 years old. Thus already way past what we can reasonably agree on as "prodigy age". As you well know, obtaining the GM title were a lot harder and more exclusive than it is nowadays, so back in the fifties, being the youngest GM ever had very little to do with being a prodigy or not (being the youngest IM ever might be of slightly more relevance, I should think.)
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