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|Aug-27-18|| ||morfishine: <Richard Taylor> You are certainly well-read and have a much more balanced reading selection than I can boast. I've favored almost entirely non-fiction books (History, historical events and biographies).|
I do enjoy non-fiction criminal events (JFK assassination, Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Borden, Klutter family killings) since the criminal investigative process has always been interesting to me. Its interesting to me how the criminals get caught!
My fiction interests are primarily limited to horror (ie: Stephen King, monsters like Dracula, Frankenstein & werewolves). I like these for escape, but that's about it. In the past some of the other fiction books I've read were mainly school mandated, which were certainly interesting (ie: To Kill a Mockingbird, Gone With the Wind, etc.). So yes, I'm lacking in the historical culture of the great fiction writers.
So, whenever I've made friends who have interests in something I'm lacking, I usually find myself hustling around to familiarize myself with the subject matter! (for example, your mention of William Somerset Maugham). I don't want to appear a complete dolt lol
|Aug-29-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: Morf. I just want to thank you for defending me against BP's slanderous allegations. I don't usually read the forums so I wouldn't have noticed. Once whoever is in charge puts a stop to this madness, hopefully wiping the Rogoff page too, I'm just sticking to chess because contrary to what <anyone> believes I only joined this site for chess. |
Anyways. Thank you. You're a good man :)
|Aug-29-18|| ||morfishine: <Dr Winston OBoogie> To be perfectly frank, my comments were not so much a defense of you, but a reaction to the poorly timed comments and allegations by <tpstar> & <BP> that were posted so soon after the news of Daniel's death was known. I felt this was in extreme poor taste, a slap in the face against Daniel, blatantly off topic on multiple forums, a smear against <CG> and I wanted to let both <tpstar> & <BP> know that. |
Besides your ongoing issue with <Keyser> I have been ignorant to any other behind the scenes machinations at <CG>, so am not in any position to comment.
For all we know, Daniel had a genetic physical defect causing his death, but we won't know for sure until the autopsy toxicology results are made known.
|Aug-29-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: I know that Morf but they both go hand in hand. I don't need anyone to defend me, I can defend myself but you, Jay-B and Jim spoke up so I respect that. As for the cause of death I'm afraid to ask, it's a bit of a morbid question really. Like you said he could have fallen down the steps or committed suicide, I'm puzzled by it all. He was only 50 years old and I'm sure we'd have been told if he had a terminal illness.|
|Aug-29-18|| ||morfishine: <Dr Winston OBoogie> Thank you, sometimes when dealing with these clowns, its best to attack (or counterattack) them under the umbrella of defending <CG>, which is totally legit|
What are new prospective members supposed to think when they see page after page of such venom? Since its baseless, it just ends up being garbage splattered all over the site. Any caring member should want to stand up against that don't you think?
|Aug-29-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: I don't know tbh mate. On one hand I'd like to ignore it and on the other hand I want to bring attention and awareness to it. Things that I see on this site still shock me after all this time, sometimes you can't just do nothing and sometimes you add to it all, I guess that's how these so called flame wars start. I think being accused of killing a man I'd never met and hardly spoke to this year is criminal, I can't just ignore that although I have tried. You put one person on ignore for quoting BP and it has a domino effect. This place is mental.|
|Aug-30-18|| ||Richard Taylor: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> You are certainly well-read and have a much more balanced reading selection than I can boast. I've favored almost entirely non-fiction books (History, historical events and biographies).
I do enjoy non-fiction criminal events (JFK assassination, Jack the Ripper, Lizzie Borden, Klutter family killings) since the criminal investigative process has always been interesting to me. Its interesting to me how the criminals get caught!....>|
Thanks. Yes, I read all kinds of things even as a teenager the Reader's Digest. Reading was my way of kind of escaping as I wasn't interested in sports and I was very introverted. But I read all kinds of things.
There was a time in my life when I didn't read much. I was working as a Lineman and in those days I had a family. I was studying for a Certificate in Engineering in Telecommunications (as the Government who I was working for paid me to, it was optional). I learned a lot but I started reading and writing again in 1988. I had a lot to catch up myself. But I had done a lot of reading as a teenager. I started with Lewis Carroll's books. Alice through the Looking Glass is based on a game of chess so I one day asked my father what chess was. He didn't know. So we both studied it. Also my brother who was much better than me and very good at maths etc. He became a Chemist for a Mining Company in Australia. But we both read, including NZ writers fictional and other, all of the Charles Dickens novels. I read Les Miserables, Conrad, Orwell, Steinbeck, O. Henry, Ryder Haggard, Dostoyevsky and many other writers including a lot of Shakespeare. But I also read Gerald Durrell, a book about Astronomy, one about Evolution and Darwin (a large Reader's Digest publication with great illustrations) and I was in the Scientific Book Club (this is in the 60s).
More recently I undertook a project which involved reading (more or less at random) books taken from my local library from 000 to the 900s and other books including childrens. I forced myself to take more books in subjects I normally didn't read in: then I usually selected pages at random throughout the books and the spun a pen which pointed to where I wrote either more or less from each book.
I was looking for the way things were written and wanting to get a wider range of texts or textures to use in a larger project. The subject of the books was secondary (I was also reading other books in the normal way at the same time). But many of the books were so fascinating I read them right through or I read and sampled more of them than I might others.
I included even children's books, teenatgers, comics and graphic novels, magazines, horror, fantasy, sci fi, Romance and eroticism (even pornography is used). Also I listen to what people say and sometimes write that down. Advertising, signs: everything is potential texture for what I want.
But the process took about a year and was like going on a journey. There were some really strange books but I gave no privilege to any particular kind and I even wrote out things from language books, copying the language (including computer programs or parts of them), and to somehow get them as part of what I am doing.
I have been doing this kind of thing but perhaps less intensively since about 1992. I want a work that transcends any category. I am writing in the tradition of Burroughs, Kathy Acker (although I didn't know of her when I began), Kenneth Goldsmith...even maybe back to Ezra Pound, and other writers: Olson and Mallarme and a writer called Charles Bernstein.
Goldsmith writes what he calls "uncreative" writing. He once rewrote an entire NY Times verbatim and published it under his own name! I also use images (my own, and my own manipulated or others' works either paintings or drawings or photographs) and potentially all other media, even braille if I could somehow engineer it.
But I certainly read a lot of non fiction also. As I indicated it doesn't matter to me that I don't understand what I am reading. In fact another thing I am interested in is the ability to leave things out: that is to allow myself to not know. Actually, in a deep sense I don't know anything.
|Aug-30-18|| ||Richard Taylor: Re BP etc those people are all pretty crazy and keep saying I am a terrorist sympathizer and so on. They quote me out of context. They ignore that I loved my time in NY and so on and found the people great there. That was in 1993. They ignore the circumstances that led to me saying what I said. I have explained all those things. They ignore this.|
They try to make me feel guilty. This is silly. I refuse to. Guilt (like Worry and other such things) is (or are) useless. It is what Dr Wayne Dyer called an 'Erroneous Zone' (or zones).
Yes, some of their comments hurt me, but I ignore them mostly.
The tragic death of Daniel (who I didn't know) should have been a time for those people to have shown some consideration. We are in difficult times everywhere in the world and need inter-human support not constant attacks and so on.
Dr Winston seems to me a good man and he should stay on as otherwise the ones who are attacking will just continue with more of the same. Some of them are influenced by the antics of Trump. They like to attack what they call 'Liberals' and so on. In other words people who may or may not be in that category but including a lot of very good people who are compassionate. That is all you have to be. And some of them claim to be Christians and forget the urging of Christ and others to 'Love one another' and 'To do unto others what you would have done unto yourself.' They attack and obsess over say terrorism or immigration. They are often racist and misogynist or against poets! (And others.) Their position is one of fear and often ignorance. They divide rather than unite. Many of the Roggoffians are bad news in general, and destructive. But we need to stand against them.
|Aug-30-18|| ||morfishine: <Richard Taylor> Yes, of course, Readers Digest! I completely forgot about that periodical - magazine! What a wonderful product, published in the odd amount of 10 times per year! I really should subscribe, my Mother always had copies scattered around the house, its still going strong!|
I would characterize my reading as "focused - obsessive". This term applies exclusively to non-fiction works, for example, a biography on American traitor Benedict Arnold. I would read one, then purchase another work by a different author, and then another. I do not want to be influenced by one author. Also, I want to see differences and similarities in the works by the different authors before I form an opinion. Again, using Arnold as an example, for a long time, I was an Arnold apologist. Not that I approve of treason, but I felt that he was treated horribly by people in authority who backed off of promises they made to him, etc. The first book I read pretty much confirmed this but the two follow up books I read were less flattering.
After reading three whole biographies on Arnold, I'll state my position towards him is less favorable than at the beginning. After all, treason is very hard to justify no matter the circumstances. I think its important to get a well rounded viewpoint before forming an opinion. While my strategy is effective I think, it is time consuming possibly costing me the opportunity to read other subjects
I guess thats the price I pay, but I'd rather be comfortable and confident in my opinion on any subject. And in this example (Arnold) my opinion was changed or altered! So, I think my reading strategy is effective
|Aug-30-18|| ||morfishine: I will be shutting down this forum for approximately 3 weeks as of 9/1/2018. I just wanted to inform my friends. I will be traveling and I am a poor poster using my android so I didn't want to offend anybody with my inability to make courteous, lucid posts and/or responses.|
|Aug-30-18|| ||Count Wedgemore: Happy travels, <morf>. Even if you close your forum (an understandable decision, I only use my laptop when making posts, never used my phone. So I get it!), I hope you'll be able to pop in from time to time through your android. If not: see you around in about three weeks then, my friend.|
|Aug-30-18|| ||Richard Taylor: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> Yes, of course, Readers Digest! I completely forgot about that periodical - magazine! What a wonderful product, published in the odd amount of 10 times per year! I really should subscribe, my Mother always had copies scattered around the house, its still going strong!>|
I learned a lot from it. It sometimes had naive anti-Communist propaganda written by Christians or even (it may be financed by the CIA, a lot of good magazines and periodicals are, even the Paris Review was begun by a CIA operative who was in his lit. life a nice fellow! But I think the "operative's" reason to be such was because he needed a job. He moved out of it. But he was a friend of Styron who while being a writer also wrote on depression (his own).
By the way Styron met Bill Clinton and when they moved the subject to literature they found that Clinton had read hugely (in contrast to the "nightmare" Reagan). Clinton quoted pages of books including several pages almost verbatim of Faulkner. (Another writer I value).
But there was a lot of quick information. Childrens books or "simple" books are good ways of learning things quickly (from Tony Buzan who writes in mind maps etc I learned that).
But the RD remains useful, but not their condensed books...I feel I would be cheating altho I see why they do them.
Of course one reads for pleasure mainly so horror and whatever is good.>
<I would characterize my reading as "focused - obsessive". This term applies exclusively to non-fiction works, for example, a biography on American traitor Benedict Arnold. I would read one, then purchase another work by a different author, and then another. I do not want to be influenced by one author. Also, I want to see differences and similarities in the works by the different authors before I form an opinion.>
A friend of mine does this, not only in literature (he is a lecturer in languages and creative writing, but he has to read everything by certain Sci Fi writers, learn everything about Kipling, and also he reads Antarctic and Arctic books, and indeed the US Civil War. Quite a lot of Kiwis are keen on that.
I looked up Arnold, I think I had heard of him before. By the way there is another Arnold -- Mathew the poet and educator -- English.
<Again, using Arnold as an example, for a long time, I was an Arnold apologist. Not that I approve of treason, but I felt that he was treated horribly by people in authority who backed off of promises they made to him, etc.>
Yes, there are rationales. If the British had won would he still be technically a traitor?
<The first book I read pretty much confirmed this but the two follow up books I read were less flattering.>
Yes, there are also controversies about say Amundsen and Scott. Scott was brave but to say the least unwise. Amundsen even according to some Norwegians had his faults. But by and large Scott botched the race to the pole and was accused of being a murderer by the mother of Oates, the man who sacrificed his life (in vain as it happened) by walking out into a blizzard, never to be seen again.
<After reading three whole biographies on Arnold, I'll state my position towards him is less favorable than at the beginning. After all, treason is very hard to justify no matter the circumstances. I think its important to get a well rounded viewpoint before forming an opinion. While my strategy is effective I think, it is time consuming possibly costing me the opportunity to read other subjects>
But you have all the makings of a card carrying bibliomaniac!! I used to sell books so I know what those are like. Even to specialize in one subject is sometimes known. E.g. in NZ there was a chess player who found some old books re NZ's religion (rugby football) and those pre the 50s paid him a living wage (from being a IT man and programmer which he found too stressful).>
<I guess thats the price I pay, but I'd rather be comfortable and confident in my opinion on any subject. And in this example (Arnold) my opinion was changed or altered! So, I think my reading strategy is effective...>
As long as you gain pleasure from reading and interesting info. I tend to read too widely although I would like to read (almost) everything about everything!
I see you are going on holiday. All the best for that.
|Aug-31-18|| ||offramp: <Richard Taylor:
I also read this book:
about the (in some ways reclusive and possibly a genius) photographer Vivian Maier ... took thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands of photographs from the 40s to the late 90s).>
The way a camera works is that you point it at something and press the button. If you do this millions of times over 50 years you can pick out thousands of reasonable photos. Anyone can do it.
|Aug-31-18|| ||moronovich: Happy travelling <morf> !|
Looking forward to see you back again :)
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: Thanks <moronovich>! Very much appreciated! I will be cooking the pancakes tonight! Everything's ready, fish, shrimp, carrots, sweet onion, all ready for saute then stuffing the pancakes and cooking! I'll let you know how they turn out!|
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <Richard Taylor> Thanks for the well thought out reply, I would say technically, I'm not a pure 'bibliomaniac'. I don't collect books furiously or compulsively. I frequent 3 primary used book stores who receive my books on trade-in credit so I can buy more books. So, I retain only a modest collection of books centered on history, Golf, the American Civil War, WWII & the Kennedy assassination. Maybe 100 books tops. |
One thing I learned is its better to be reading a book while holding the actual book. In other words, holding the book is better than reading books via Kindle. The sensory perception of holding the weight of the book and physically turning the pages, increases one's retention - comprehension. Viewing and reading a book on-line uploaded via Kindle nets out with a much lower retention - comprehension rate.
So as far as books go, I buy books and avoid reading books online
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <Count Wedgemore> Thanks much! Not a whole lot planned, mostly decompression|
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <DWOB> Nice John Lennon post over at <KC>|
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <DWOB> Thanks, I hope to enjoy this time off to see friends, etc.|
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <Dr Winston OBoogie> Please don't copy and paste conversations from other arguments over here. I'm well aware of whats going on, and I don't need reinforcement of all the crap going on around this site with certain people. I really don't want that garbage splattered all over here. Thank you|
|Aug-31-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: I only copied from your forum from what Richard said.|
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <Dr Wintson OBoogie> Ok, my mistake, I thought you were referencing someone else from over at <KC>|
Take care, sometimes its best to just back off, re-charge batteries, perhaps see old friends, and just rejuvenate one's self....I don't know if you saw my post over at the <KC> that was an excellent audio video of Lennon, I hope many people watched it, its very impactful I think, thanks much for that!
|Aug-31-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: < morfishine: ... I don't collect books furiously >|
Yes, one's hobbies should never make a person furious! ;)
Enjoy your trip
|Aug-31-18|| ||morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Very well said, Thanks!|
|Aug-31-18|| ||eternaloptimist: Hey <morf>, Howís it going? I havenít chatted w/ u in a pretty long time so I thought Iíd c how u r doing. I see that youíre doing very well in this leg of Bookie. The previous leg was crazy wasnít it? Itís also crazy that the number of kibitzes that Iíve made is the same as the amount of chess bucks that I have now.|
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