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| Jul-21-08 |
| vikinx: I like position #395. You can castle right away.:)
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| Jul-21-08 |
| vikinx: Position #414 looks just like #54, except the queenside rooks and knights are switched places.Position #414:
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| Aug-08-08 |
| vikinx: Why isn't anyone kibitzing here? |
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| Aug-23-08 |
| JimmyVermeer: I just discovered this page, which is why I haven't kibitzed here before. By the way, it is not unrealistic for a great chessplayer to memorize opening lines in each of 960 possible starting configurations, particularly if it was a player who specialized in Fischerandom chess. |
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Sep-07-08
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| artyom2008: cmon anybody wanna do some analisis on arno nickel no ? my fourm |
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| Nov-10-08 |
| wsj3: I am a huge proponent of this variant. At first I was for pure shuffle chess (no castling, bishops can be on the same color squares) which has over 5,000 starting positions. But after playing FRC, however, and going over other people's games, I became hooked. With the bishops on opposite colors and castling maintained, the flavor of classical chess is very much intact. Standard chess seems boring and done-to-death in comparison.
I do have one slight objection concerning castling in 960. If there is no longer any "kingside" or "queenside", then why the need for two types of castling? If you look at it objectively, it only makes sense to castle the same way on either side, ie, 0-0, as we all know, is Kg1 and Rf1. But my contention is that 0-0-0 should be the same on the other side (Kb1 and Rc1). This seems logical to me, unless I'm missing something. I'm curious to know what everyone thinks but I won't hold my breath for an official rule change anytime soon! |
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| Dec-22-08 |
| WhiteRook48: THere was a position where Karpov's pieces looked like Fischerandom:
White: Nb1, Nc1, Rd1, Ke1, Bf1, Qg1, Rh1. And just for fun I'll add...
Ba1
Anyone want to play this new position? |
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| Dec-24-08 |
| WhiteRook48: It would be fun if Morphy played positions like this. |
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| Jan-29-09 |
| vikinx: Can anyone tell me what number is for this position?
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Yes, I know this is the original position, but I just want to know. |
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| Jan-29-09 |
| vikinx: I figured it out. It's position #54. |
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| Feb-08-09 |
| WhiteRook48: When I entered position #54 I got position #93 or something.
Fischerandom is sheer madness |
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| Feb-14-09 |
| vikinx: That's probably because you forgot to uncheck the <random> box. |
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Feb-25-09
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| Viewer Deluxe: The whole chess960 world is still fairly new to me as is this forum. That’s why I started by reading several pages of comments before posting.
Sure, I came across the <castling rules> discussions and I found them quite interesting. I have three arguments that I couldn’t find in previous discussions so let me share my view. 1) In chess1 castling has a clear defensive purpose. “Move your king to safety” is a rule of thumb for beginners and GMs. Centuries of chess1 games serve as a good proof that c1/g1 are indeed a safe place for the king to reside (away from the center). On the other hand, the variety of initial setups in chess960 most definitely changes the “safe-status” of c1/g1 squares and makes them a questionable destination for the king (in many setups). It doesn’t make sense to have a fixed final KR-position of castling while almost every other characteristic of the board-position has changed. 2) In chess1 castling has never had an offensive purpose. Sure, castling-long can bring the rook to activity but the king always plays a passive role. On the other hand, in chess960 we can perform a long-and-dangerous castling that moves the king from b1 to g1 (five squares away). By itself alone that may not be automatically a bad idea. The problem is that castling is not an equal opportunity move and when White castles it quite often restricts Black from castling in the same direction. My point is that castling should be fairly available to both sides and making it a powerful/offensive move doesn’t help black. 3) Everybody seems to agree that the move-king-2-squares (MK2S) rule wouldn’t make sense in cases where the king is to get closer to the center. We conclude so by applying our current chess1 skills but that could be wrong. As <Gene M> points out, the role of the center in chess960 might not be the same as in chess1. If that’s the case, I can imagine central squares to be a safe place for the king. Even in chess1 that's quite possible so let’s not rule out an option based on intuition only. To conclude, I tend to agree with <YouRang>’s view that “<the castling rule> in chess960 is arbitrary and unnatural” and that MK2S rule would at least keep it fair and simple. |
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Mar-08-09
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| timhortons: Its hard to find opponent to play for fischer random be in fics or icc, it takes to much time of waiting for someone to accept youre challenge. |
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| Mar-08-09 |
| Valmy: <Timhortons> Try CAISSA.COM, I played a few games, even one against an IM (Jean HEBERT from Canada) |
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Mar-08-09
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| timhortons: <valmy>ill try it thanks, I know IM jean herbert, hes a regular in montreal tournament, not that i know him personally but i see him always during tourneys. |
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| Mar-22-09 |
| WhiteRook48: what is the Fischerandom position for the Chessgames Challenge? |
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Apr-30-09
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| zanshin: <WhiteRook48: what is the Fischerandom position for the Chessgames Challenge?> Using the chessgames FRC generator, it is 560. Using other generators (like in Aquarium), it is 216. I think Aquarium is 'standard' but CG seems to use a non-standard algorithm for generating starting positions - not sure why though. |
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| May-09-09 |
| Gene M: (Mark Dvoretsky was quoted by Eyal....
"But in chess-960, there will be practically no accumulation of experience: there are too many opening positions, and too many differences between them. And thus, the concept of the opening phase will find itself frozen, for a long time, at a childhood level."
) In practice Dvoretsky's criticism of FRC-chess960 is right. Sadly, there is "no accumulation", though accumulation is necessary to achieve the most interesting play.
(General intuitive accumulation might be achievable if most players focused most of the playing on chess960, but that will not happen.) *** IS IT TIME ? ***
-- for Hans-Walter Schmitt and the ChessTigers.de in Mainz to PRE-ANNOUNCE one of the 960 setups eleven months in advance of its annual August chess960 tournament? ALL chess960 games that pre-announced year would use just that one non-traditional setup. One such pre-announced year would teach us more about abstract chess than will all future years combined of yet more constantly random setup selection. In other words, chess960 offers two GOALS....
[1] To free the players from having to study specific opening variations; but that has now been proven to lead to a low uninteresting quality of opening phase play. This was the only FRC goal that Bobby Fischer ever spoke of. [2] To learn how these pieces on this board should be used from different initial setup positions; to see whether Reuben Fine's nine principles of opening play are all equally robust when challenged from different setups. This is the one remaining area of chess study that is large & interesting & unexplored, just waiting to be investigated and claimed. |
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May-16-09
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| chessboyjazz: 960 is the best!!
I love it. A great gift from the most important chess player in modern history. there is a new clock out that has the 960
plus iphone apps
at my local chess club here in nyc I am getting more and more players into it!!!!!! |
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| May-30-09 |
| Gene M: http://main.uschess.org/forums/view... (In the above, entry number #145615)
I did not know the following until today:
"The Chess960 rules have officially been implemented in the FIDE rules this year, and the acceptance of the Chess960 tournaments in Mainz has been a decisive reason for FIDE to accept Chess960 in their handbook." http://www.chesstigers.de/ccm9_inde... |
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Jun-13-09
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| unununium: Chess 960 is definitely on the rise!
Thanks <Gene M> for your Dvoretsky post. That would be a great idea. Hopefully FIDE is paying attention to it! I'm happy to see this website fostering this amazing chess variant by creating team chess games for it. Keep it coming! |
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Jul-28-09
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| Marmot PFL: 6 games today, no draws and 5 black wins. Aronian seems unbeatable right now. |
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| Aug-31-09 |
| Chessforeva: Play some kind of Fischer random on the web:
http://chessforeva.appspot.com/C0_L... |
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Sep-09-09
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| YouRang: Quoting <Viewer Deluxe>, who was quoting me: <To conclude, I tend to agree with <YouRang>’s view that “<the castling rule> in chess960 is arbitrary and unnatural” and that MK2S rule would at least keep it fair and simple.> Although I still think the chess960 castling rule is somewhat arbitrary, now that I've participated in a game (Chessgames Challenge: Team White vs Team Black, 2009), I can at least see some justification for it, if I look at it from this perspective: The primary goal of chess960 is to play a game <as close as possible to chess1> while <avoiding the reliance on memorized opening theory>. I think that the castling rules as currently defined do that. |
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